Tech billionaire Elon Musk agreed on March 2 with a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, for the U.S. to exit NATO and the U.N.
“I agree,” he wrote in response to a post from a right-wing political commentator saying “it’s time” for the U.S. to leave NATO and the U.N.
The news comes after several Republican lawmakers submitted a bill on the U.S. exit from the U.N., claiming that the organization does not align with the Trump administration’s “America First” agenda.
The U.S. was among several countries, including Russia, Belarus, Israel, and Hungary, that voted against a U.N. resolution at the end of February condemning Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
Both NATO and the U.N. were founded by the U.S. and other victors of World War II to promote diplomacy and cooperation between nations as well as to prevent another global war.
Musk, an unelected official, currently heads the so-called U.S. Department of Government Efficiency, which has cut significant amounts of government spending, including life-saving foreign aid.
U.S. President Donald Trump has repeatedly criticized fellow NATO countries for their perceived lack of contributions to the military alliance and has called for a spending target of 5% of GDP for all members.
Kyiv sees NATO membership as a crucial safeguard against future Russian aggression, but Trump said in February that Ukraine “can forget” about joining the alliance, suggesting its bid was a trigger for the war—an argument echoed by Russian state propaganda.
If the American people had any sense they would cut the heads off their new kings.
Who?
The US intentionally leaving the organizations they have domination over as a means to exert soft power globally would certainly be good for weakening the US Empire. This seems like a case where the architects of Empire failed to raise successors and as such the ones with the reigns are now “true believers” in the architects’ web of lies.
Perfect, I’d rather they step away and let us remake it into a n EU group.
Leaving the US inside the NATO still gives them veto rights.
(talking about governors) “I prefer the bad ones over the dumb ones, because the bad sometimes rest” cit.
If the US leaves the United Nations, does that mean they lose their security council veto power even if they somehow rejoin later?
Seems like something the other former global superpower, Russia, would be very happy to see happen.
I fail to see how this advances America’s interests whatsoever. Republicans are huffing glue again.
That’s a similar case to UK leaving the EU. They had a lot of provisions just for them - tax exempts etc. If UK decides to rejoin they will have to renegotiate the terms and EU will not want to grant them the same relief as they had in the past.
Nato is the only reason we European country bought those ultra expensive F35 paying billions to purchase and operate them.
I wonder what’s going to happen to the new Gernan rifles of the US military.
They’ll get expensive.
This is not going to end well for Elon Musk.
Who gives a shit about him. This is not going to end well for everyone.
I sincerely hope not.
FYI: even North Korea is a member of the UN!
Even the vatican! Though be it as only an observer state
If you include that then Palestine as well
I publicly support the unaliving of musk
Launch him into space
But not into the sun. It takes more energy to launch something into the sun Vs just into space.
Can we try to land him in his stupid fucking orbiting car or whatever
Send him to Mars with a camera and he can vlog his adventure I am sure the reality shows revenue could offset some costs.
Leaving NATO would cost the US over $100 billion in arms sales annually, so they won’t do it. But to have and eat their cake they just don’t need to honour article 5
To be perfectly honest they should probably kick the US out of it
Idk, Trump already tried it at the end of his last term. These people don’t have the USA’s best interests in mind.
If the US leaves the UN it permanently gives up its seat in the Security Council and its veto.
Russia magically inherited the USSR’s security council seat even though they are not the USSR. When the US collapses, which part gets their old seat? (I vote we give it to Canada personally)
It was a good idea to give Russia a seat to balance power. There probably should not be any vetos.
Russia was always Russia. It was the seat of the USSR so it just stayed with Russia. If the US withdraws it gives up its seat. Canada would happily accept a permanent seat on the Security Council with veto.
There are some with veto power who would oppose it transferring to anyone
Yeah, Russia took over the debts of the USSR as well, didn’t they?
I imagine it would have to be another country with a large nuclear weapons stockpile. India comes to mind.
Good. It’s faaaar past time america stops policing the world and having a seat at the big kids table, trump is a child. I do however think it’s far past time Europe polices Europe, no one will ever take over the US so we have no need for the UN. We don’t need to pay for all those other countries defenses or be involved in theor policies. Let them sort it out.
FUCK THIS GUY SO HARD. I swear to god this lunatic needs to be stopped.
This lunatic is a danger for the world. He is an unelected unaccountable person with the power of the presidency. It’s terrifying.
Preferably a bullet
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Please don’t put words in my mouth.
Leaving the UN would mean giving up US veto power. This would be one of the stupidest decisions of all time. No wonder Elon wants to do it.
Name one time US veto power was used for good.
For making an argument to appeal to musk, that’s besides the point. In fact because the veto power being used for bad it is probably is a more appealing point
Mostly it’s just the USA vetoing anything including the word Palestine, except for this one time in March last year China vetoed something including the word Palestine so the USA didn’t even get the chance. Here’s a list of Vetoes with links to the documents HERE
warning: some of them can be a little doom-foreboding so maybe don’t read it if you enjoy your sanity
Given the only UN Vetoes since 1989 were from USA, Russia, or China they haven’t been used for much good in general, but there was this one time in January 1990 that they vetoed a denouncement by Nicaragua over the US invasion of Panama following the military general’s takeover and abuse of power to deal in drugs and human trafficking.
Although there is the nuance that he, General Manuel Noriega, and other militant factions had ties to US Intelligence before that.
Although there is the nuance that he murdered those other factions upon taking power.
Although there is the nuance that he and others also had ties to multiple other intelligence agencies around the world.
Although there is the nuance that the only reason Nicaragua had anything to do with any of this is that the USA ended up moving troops through the Nicaraguan Embassy in Panama and beating up Nicaraguan Envoys who tried to stop them.
Although there is the nuance that the heavily armed US Troops in an active war zone showed great restraint in not seriously wounding or killing any of the men during the brawl.
Although there is the nuance that the US Troops supposedly stole a bunch of stuff while they were there.
Although there is the nuance that throughout all of this, the Nicaraguan envoy Ferrey spoke very favorably of Panama’s then brutal, newly formed, militarty dictatorship who, as I mentioned before, ran a lot of drugs and human trafficking operations. The military were probably searching for somebody that they didn’t find, assuming the Nicaraguan’s to be co-conspirators.
Fun fact, the document LINK HERE still lists the full name of the USSR in 1990 lol.
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I don’t know if the EU/NATO can actually exist without US backing; those are fundamentally US projects created to serve US interests (not that the dumbass Trump regime understands this), without the US they’ll enter crisis.
The last time Trump was President we had Brexit. How long until another Euro skeptic government forms? Germany saw AfD achieve its best result in the history of the party, and it’s only a month into Trump’s term.
Totally agree. Hence the comment about WWIII. In the absence of US military hegemony, a heavily armed Europe will eventually turn on itself or its nearest neighbours, while China and Russia, freed by the absence of any possibility of police actions from the UN and hedging that US would rather not intervene, will be free to grab regions they see as lost possessions. It would be an outbreak of violence on a global scale not seen since the early 20th century. But this time with easy access to nuclear weapons. Wars will push up the cost of living for non-aligned countries even further and the massive uplift in heavy industry required by war economies will make progress on climate near impossible leading to an ecological collapse.
But maybe a just doom spiralling.
Another way to phrase this: In the absence of US hegemony, the endless wars inflicted on the Global South will finally come home to the imperial core. Millions can be slaughtered all over the world and it’s not world war, it’s only “world war” when it happens to white people.
The chickens are coming home to roost.
Not really. Oppression and civil unrest will come home, car bombs and Troubles style. Nuclear armaments preclude other things.
But if the US goes and the EU does not step in, the era of soft power global diplomacy is over. People like Musk will take over the reins and we will have colonialism like never before.
We already see what a power with unchecked power can do in Gaza. Imagine the US doing that, just to the whole of Latin America.
The only people who will face your “just retribution” is the working class everywhere, but as an ML, you must be symphatising with them. Do you?
What even is soft power? Sanctions are siege warfare by other means, intended to inflict suffering in the population to destabilize the country. Meddling by USAID, World Bank, and the IMF are intended to subvert democratic power and prop up dictatorships and ensure continued underdevelopment for maximum exploitation and the generation of superprofits. Meanwhile, covert action by the State Department and intelligence apparatus leads to endless regime changes and coups and civil wars and mass slaughter.
“Soft power” is a myth. It only looks soft because it doesn’t involve US troops directly fighting and dying for the empire. Furthermore, colonialism was defeated by anticolonial resistance, not US soft power. Neocolonialism, too, will be defeated by resistance. Israel failed to defeat Hamas, and when the US does Operation Condor 2 and Monroe Doctrine 2 it will fail as well.
Have some revolutionary optimism. Stop being a doomer.
Maybe they used it to object to serving English food for lunch once. That’s probably the only time it’d be justified
good point, they will be out of UNSC as well.
Will no one rid us of this treasonous billionaire?
Which treasonous billionaire? There’s dozens to choose from.
Will no one rid me of these meddlesome billionaires, comrade
There is a reason he travels with the little meat shield.
The poor kid didn’t do nothing you know… Let’s not start hating a four year-old because of his terrible father.
I don’t think lucky was blaming the kid.
I know. But I’m always uncomfortable when I read that “meat shield” thing. He’s too young to be included in any discussion or remark regarding his father. When he’s older, if he turns out to be a shithead too, there’s plenty of opportunities to bash on him too. But for now, I think he should be left out entirely, for the sake of giving him a chance not to become a shithead.
Same reason why I happily bash on Don Jr. and Eric but never on Barron Trump.
I get what you are saying, The kid is not the problem though. Describing the child as a “meat shield” is not a dig against the kid. It’s about what Elon Musk, the child’s father, is doing to him. Elon Musk is wearing his own son over his head to keep from getting shot when he goes outside. He is using his own child as a human shield. Elon Musk has turned his own flesh and blood into a meat shield!
It’s extremely abusive behavior. If he cared about his children he would post child support and be around with them doing wholesome, life-affirming things.
That doesn’t change the fact his father is using him as an anti-assassination accessory. It’s in no way criticizing the kid, but calling out his father’s abhorrent behavior. In fact we should call it out because maybe it will shame Musk into stopping (of course it won’t).
That doesn’t change the fact his father is using him as an anti-assassination accessory.
Do we even know that for sure though?
I always thought the “meat shield” thing was a tasteless joke that someone came up with when the Herr Musk brought the kid to the Oval Office and turned the White House into a fucking daycare center. As far as I know, it’s not like Musk brings the kid everywhere he goes: he’s got his deputized SS goons to protect him.
“Meat shield” is not a new term and explicitly means using another human to prevent being shot / killed. That’s all people are saying about Musk’s behavior when they refer to him using his kid in this fashion. Nothing beyond that (by that specific term anyway).
First off A man is using his child as a prospective bullet sponge because he knows his behavior has made people want to kill him and you want to leave that out of the discussion? The kid isn’t the one doing one of the worst things a human can do
First off A man is using his child as a prospective bullet sponge
Honest question: how did you come to that definitive conclusion?
What I saw was Musk putting his son on his shoulders. My dad used to do that with me, and plenty of dads do that with their children, and they don’t use them as bulletproof vests. Did you deduce this is what Musk was doing because he’s so obviously a psychopath, or did you see something physically different from what other dads do in his handling of his son?
I’m not trying to stir up controverse. I can well believe Musk did use his son to protect himself, knowing what a terrible man he is. It’s just that I really didn’t see anything out of the ordinary when he put his son on his shoulders - aside from the fact that doing that in the White House was inappropriate. So I’m genuinely curious to know how everybody has come to that conclusion.
It’s unprofessional to be carrying the kid everywhere, potentially into meetings where state secrets are discussed. Certainly a lot of what’s happening is unprecedented, but the kid is just such an odd prop to have around, coupled with that Elon doesn’t otherwise seem to care about parading his children before now, that it leads to the conclusion that it is either a stunt or as protection.
Fair enough. Its within the realm of what could be considered normal father behavior… However, go look for photos of Elon out in public pre and post Luigi.
Report back what you find.
No one is hating him. Who said that?
14ish years from now “will no one rid us of this damn billionaire’s kid?!”
When you plant shit seeds you get…
You are criticizing the child of a fascist for the actions of his father, and using fascist rhetoric to do so.
Disgusting.
Reproduction of the physical is not the issue. Reproduction of abhorrent ideals is, though.
It’s well documented that he’s estranged from one of his kids. And it’s not like his behavior has gotten better over time.
Public supports calls for Elon Musk to leave US, and Earth
No please wait until after the US left those groups. They have been blocking so much important stuff for decades, i cant wait for the UN to get rid of the US. Then you can guillotine him.
