Dear Iran, leave us Americans out of this fight. Your fight is with trump alone, we are hostages of him. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Live by the sword, die by the sword. We let Gazan children die because of who their parents voted for. I’m not saying two wrong make a right but that doing what is right starts with us.
You voted(or didn’t) for him and are responsible. Good luck, leave the rest of the world out of this.
Sincerely the world.
“you didn’t vote for him but you are responsible because of the coordinates you were born at”. Go fuck yourself loser lol.
Yeah, fuck that guy. It’s not fault my a third if the country fell for the propaganda, and a third of the country didn’t care enough to even vote. I will not be held personally responsible for convincing all of the American voting populous to get their heads out of their asses.
It’s hard to blame the people who stayed home when disenfranchisement is an intended feature of your electoral system. The vast majority of people know for a fact that their vote mathematically does not matter and a huge number cannot get time off on the weekday it is scheduled for.
If a full third of people stayed home, that’s a systemic problem, not an individual responsibility problem. Your electoral system is completely captured by capital and you are stuck blaming the electorate.
Folks please: US corruption is not a cultural or personal issue, it is systemic. Power corrupts, not just people, but systems. The US has been at the head of the global hegemon for most of the last century, they have most of the billionaires, of course they are corrupt. That’s where capitalists focus their efforts to get the most returns. It’s not an accident that the guy doing DOGE just happened to be the richest man on the planet.
Maybe focus your energy there instead of on the people who have literally no power.
Look, I get it. You are mad too, that trump is bringing you all down. However, this isn’t just a trump thing. This isn’t just a now thing. This is something that has been going on for decades, maybe even longer than most of us have been alive. The US is known for being arrogant, ignorant, prideful, and idiotic. Most non-americans have talked to americans online over the years and likely tried to explain what is wrong with their country, healthcare, pay, racism, nationalism etc. Most likely have been met with ‘hate us causee they aint us’, ‘better dead than red’. ‘USA USA USA’, or some other prideful bullshit.
For decades you lot have all looked down on the rest of world, assuming you are doing the best, because you are born in the best country in the universe, raised the best way possible, pledging you allegiance to your flags, drinking up the nationalistic propaganda. For decades. And now, this trump shit has made the rest of the world say, nah fam we don’t like this. And you all have the gall to say. Its not us, dont blame us, we didn’t do it.
Like shit. You guys made the bed, and have been making the bed for decades. Just because it’s been shat in now doesn’t mean you didn’t make it.
Grow up, accept that, deal with it. Get your shit in order, fix it.
Maybe then. In a few decades when the world can see you’ve fixed all systemic problems they might accept you again. Maybe.
Propaganda is when you punch someone in the face and then quote them saying “I’ll kill you” instead of mentioning the face punch.
And with how ICE is operating infiltration has become easier than ever.
I mean, yeah, that’s what a declaration of war usually entails.
Mmm, not really.
You can’t just slaughter civilians willy nilly. Well, you can, obviously, as shown by what’s going on in the world, but international laws say you shouldn’t.
Iran could legally intern any Americans, but civilians wouldn’t still be POW’s. And should technically have rights and whatnot.
International laws have said you shouldn’t since they were written, and not a single engagement has followed those laws. I disregard their existence as much as the people who enact war.
To disregard their existence is to pretend they don’t matter at all, which is incredibly naive.
There’s no perfect compliance, no, but if they weren’t respected at all and had no effect, the situations would be different.
For instance yeah, Russia has apparently brought out WWI style choking agents and used them. But there’s no widespread use at least, and no mustard gas. Which would be more effective for Russia to do. But they don’t, as they want to keep plausible deniability so that Europe doesn’t gain an actual reason to mount an offensive.
So yeah, while you are right in that psychotic asshats don’t care about them, they are affected by them nonetheless.
Basically ROE says that medics shouldn’t be shot, but my brother trained as a medic and one of the first things they’ve we’re unofficially taught was to hide their crosses on the battlefield, as Russians would literally aim at medics. (Finnish army.)
Trump doesn’t even have the class to declare.
He also can’t. Proclamations of war are made by the legislature. (Congress). If the President sends troops in a supposed emergency they can go without legislative consent for 90 days and must be recalled at that time without the legislature’s approval. It’s stupid, because 90 days into a conflict we have troops on the ground and an immediate evacuation only hurts us economically and global appearance some worry about. Not to mention the troops lost/injured, casualties left with those attacked and Congress not agreeing to keep them there is an admission that it was wrong, so not paying restitution would hurt international relations as well.
To me it comes to, if he orders troops on the ground, an immediate Congressional impeachment would be needed, and the Senate to remove him, or they will vote in favor of staying in the fight to “save face” and not care how many innocent lives die or are thrown into poverty, starve, are raped, wrongly imprisoned, tortured, and the damages it will cause to the mental health of a whole new generation of our soilders and people of other counties around the world.
You’re speaking like you have a functional government.
The funding comes from Congress… So either they approve it or are forced to approve it which they would have to recognize they no longer exist as an entity if the executive branch can write their checks for them.
So to save face, they would have to approve or impeach. Or completely give up the guise that it is a Republic. Their votes are public record. So the executive branch could make them up, post them and threaten them not to say anything… but I doubt many of them would go through with that and not vote to impeach unless they are truly pro dictatorship. Some of them think they are pro dictatorship, but when you gather hundreds of people spending their lives/career trying to work their way up in power and someone says they are going to dissolve their positions/power and their chances of rising or having any say plummet… they would be powerless if they chose to follow… Greed and self preservation would make them not want it.
There you go again.
Not the citizens part
As if the US have ever given a fuck who they blew up…
Americans are always about how we hate the government of a country but not the people, at least this American is and all the Americans I know are, I know it’s not literally universal. To say “I hate the Iranian government but not Iranian people” seems pretty reasonable if you hate the Iranian government but for them to turn around and basically say “well I consider all American entities, including completely powerless civilians free game” is fucked I’m no matter how you look at it. Like wtf more do you want from me? I vote against this, have for decades, I protest against this have been since W was in office, I donate money and energy to war torn countries, I’m absolutely against bombing any country why exactly am I considered fair game?? Fuck anyone who lumps entire countries of people into a single hive-mind that serves its leader, a fraudulent one no less
Well, do yourself what you would expect other people in a rogue state to do. How many cries of “the Russians should overthrow the government!” were there?
Or to bring in a parable: What would you have expected from the average German citizen in 1939?
Never said they did, but that doesn’t suddenly make it right now does it.
Since when?
Since 1949
According to the British (during the Malayan Emergency) and Americans (during Operation Ranch Hand), indiscriminately starving enemy civilians by spraying Agent Orange everywhere was legal.
In more recent history, we of course have Captain Drone Strike’s reign of terror against wedding parties and aid workers in Afghanistan.
The only thing that’s changed since the Geneva conventions of 1949 is that when civilians are targeted, the rest of the world says “tut tut, that’s a war crime” before it proceeds not to do anything about it.*
* Unless you’re from Africa or the Balkans, apparently.
What does that have to do with civilians being legitimate targets in war?
It depends on your definition of “legitimate”, I suppose.
My point is that the targeting of civilians is still and always has been common in war. It may now be de jure illegal but it is de facto not policed.
The word legitimate has a pretty specific definition it’s not really something that can be reasonably debated.
We’re like Pokémon! Everyone everywhere wants to catch us. At home they really want to send people to Guantanamo. Abroad they need to exchange us for people kidnapped in el Salvador.
Oh good. Americans will die.
Trump will be fine.
But Americans are gonna die.
Trump is a traitor Nazi.
Maybe they can blow up his hotels and golf courses. He’d actually care more.
More Americans died of Covid than in any war the US was involved since it became a country, yes including the Civil War. The highest death estimate for the Civil War puts it around 750 000 deaths while around 1 200 000 died due to Covid. Most Americans don’t really care about the deaths of their fellow countrymen since, you know, they elected him again.
Fun Fact (I know it’s not that fun): The number of people that died of Covid approaches the total number of people that died in all conflicts the US was involved from 1775 to 2019: 1 300 000 war dead versus 1 200 000 Covid dead
By 2000 more Americans had died of AIDS than any war but the civil war. Though I will admit I was surprised we still didn’t care when it wasn’t just undesirables dying. Turns out we’re able to be ablist enough to declare anyone who dies of disease basically already dead beforehand
there’s still time to get those numbers up
Oh good. Americans will die.
Trump will be fine.
I dunno. Iran got caught by American intelligence trying to assassinate Trump not long ago, under Biden.
The headline is somewhat misleading. Iran said US personnel are legitimate targets (meaning those employed by the US government. Not all US citizens.
Although if I were American I would not risk depending on the judgment of a random Iranian soldier.
First sentence:
Iran announced Sunday that any American civilian or military personnel in the region are now considered legitimate targets
So yes, still not all Americans, but no, not just government employees, American civilians too.
But I suspect non-military people will be arrested, not treated as military targets to be attacked or bombed.
Based on that sentence, it even just says “in the region” so hardly “all” Americans
After we’ve droned some of their people. I wouldn’t put money on that.
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Folks have tried a couple of times, unfortunately it never seems to sink in that it generally isn’t worth the trouble.
🎶 Everybody’s going to the party, have a real good time
Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine 🎶
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR??
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor,
Haha welp, guess we have airline bombings to look forward to in the future
This timeline fucking blows, guys.
My best guess is that they’ll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.
I don’t think they will. We as a species still suffer from diseases where shit comes into contact with our mouth. If we can’t solve fecal-oral diseases, any bioweapon you deploy will infect your own population. It’s why we terminated our bioweapons program. It’s about as discerning as chemical warfare. :P
On a related note, I’d fucking love bidets with dryers to be mandatory at all farms, hospitals, food handling facilities, markets, and restaurants. It would minimize the impact of fecal-oral diseases, especially with improper handwashing and food handling (eg, not wearing gloves).
Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can’t beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.
The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.
Same. My city reopened in Mid-June 2020 and I remember going to the gym and seeing people pretending the virus was gone, no masks, distancing, or wiping down the equipment. People are disgusting.
So I still mask up and carry sanitizer.
Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it’s spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.
It would be oddly poetic to use our own basic grossness against us. Americans have terrible hygiene.
Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.
Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?
Iran isn’t known for it’s cybersecurity divisions. Right wing states generally aren’t good with technology. So I’m not worried about a cyber attack.
In fact, it’s tough to say what Iran’s military capacity is at all. We pelt them with drone strikes and long range missiles constantly and they seem like they can do nothing about it. We keep talking about all this enriched uranium they possess, but do they even possess the capacity to deliver the payload to our domestic soil before we thwart them?
They’ll likely go after Israel first, so we’ll soon see the extent of their armaments.
I really don’t think Iran’s leaders are that foolish, after what happened last time someone did that.
The stronger-than-ever Taliban?
How many senior Taliban members are still alive from those days? The organisation persists, most of the leadership didn’t.
You cannot kill an idea
No, but they can certainly kill the Ayatollahs, and I don’t think they’re willing to die for the cause.
You know that there is a concept known as “martyrdom”, right?
I’m aware. Do you think these guys want to be martyrs?
Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans
They quite famously killed the guy in charge, is what I’m getting at.
The article provide zero proof of the claim in the title
Its because its israeli News and it fits their propaganda.
While I don’t recommend believing them non-conditionally, Haaretz has generally been opposed to Netanyahu and hid actions, especially after he picked a fight with them earlier this year.
Even the Israeli left parties (and Ha’aretz is on the left) supports war on Iran even if they were less supportive of the genocide in Gaza. They still have a bias.
To the surprize of absolutely no one, maybe exept the US government.
Buy the ticket, take the ride!
That’s how they’ve viewed US citizens since about 1979. Trump is an asshole, but going after the Islamic Republic of Iran is not in the top 100 worst things he’s done.
