AI Girlfriends - eviltoast
  • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Compete? Idk I think of it as a win win. I don’t want to date a guy who would call a chatbot their gf, so sure, why not? Let them self select out of the dating pool. Mind you, it’s not a real relationship because it’s just a glorified autocomplete with rendered boobs, it’s not alive and it’s definitely not intelligent, artifical or other wise. Relationships are boundaries, growing together and appreciating the little moments of life. No LLM is gonna do that.

    So sure. Let em have fun, Idc, but it’s hella red flags to think it’s real.

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      10 months ago

      Hot take but I would care if I were you. To be clear: it’s not the job of anyone to date someone or to make other people date worthy. However, your society is likely unprepared to have a lower reproduction rate and relies on that population growth or sustaining. This AI chatbot problem is not only a problem for straight men. It will replace friends for many lonely people, which further degrades relationships and leads to less dating and less reproduction. It will become yet another example of technology leading to negative mental health outcomes and degradation of social interaction. And we aren’t even talking about the ability for future AI to copy a voice and face and body to further mimic a fake virtual relationship with a very real person.

      I think in the short term it’s easy to say “people who date AI are losers” and be mostly right but in the long term if we’re all lonelier because of this, then everybody loses.

      Before you think I’m crazy: This is already happening or has happened in places like Japan, Korea, and China. A loneliness epidemic is taking place for many reasons and everyone suffers when they happen. The future of AI tech will make this far worse.

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        10 months ago

        This is the wrong place for that brand of myopic nonsense, if ai is good enough to replace girlfriends then every calculation and comparison in your sky falling theory about reproduction rates is turned to junk.

        That same automation is already removing the need for people from loads of jobs, especially service industry ones - you don’t need ever more people when we don’t need so many humans to look after elderly people.

        The other stuff about society collapsing is just typical tech fear we’ve seen from certain portions of society every single time anything gets invented - most of it is just the classic issue of awareness, of course it seemed people were happier and better connected when you didn’t know anything about their lives, of course more people are open about their mental health struggles now they’re a recognised thing.

        Sure some people will be weird about ai and fall in love, people have been marrying horses and obsessing over ladies shoes or whatever else for centuries - society is going to be just fine.

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          All I’m doing here is extrapolating based on current trends. I’m not saying the future has to be this way, but likely will be unless we take action. Social media didn’t have to ruin our social lives, but for many it did and still does and the awareness isn’t enough.

          Same will be true of AI. Our AI ethics development hasn’t been enough to stop what will at least be short term damage. Thats how it is already impacting our schools and media and will continue to for years before we have proper tools.

          So since I have a decent base for saying that it will harm our socialization and reproduction rate, the second part is why do we need more people?

          We don’t. I agree. Less people is probably better and fine, especially if AI can do a lot of the work. The problem is that we aren’t set up for that and we won’t be in the near future. So yes I hope the world transitions to rely less on having more people, but the problem will likely arrive long before the solution.

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      10 months ago

      I think you are overestimating the value of “real”, if “real” can even be defined much less proven in many cases including love. Just look at religion and social media for examples of what the human mind is capable of creating an illusion around.

      Don’t get me wrong, I do value things that you probably would consider real. But who am I to say they are.

  • LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world
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    I have an idea, how about stop staring at your screens and go out and interact with people in the real world? Problem solved.

    just kidding. I’m going to stare at my screen until I have to go to work tomorrow. Tomorrow at work I will deal with real humans for 8 hours and then I will go home and stare at my screen again.

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      go out and interact with people in the real world?

      But like… Where? Even going to bars everyone is in their own groups with not a lot of mixing around. Especially since covid it seems like everyone is in their own bubbles. I’ve had like 4-5 conversations with strangers (that weren’t forced business transactions) in the last year and most of those people weren’t particularly interesting.

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        10 months ago

        yeah this seems to be a problem in society the last few decades. In the old days, socialization was unavoidable, It was natural because people were never cooped up in their houses staring at screens because screens didn’t exist yet. screens are killing us.

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          Just want to comment to say bars were shitty and only being able to interact in your very localized community was shitty, all the twenty somethings I talk to now are involved in interesting things, we’d sit drinking beer and debating which pop stars from the 70s are dead based on vague memories of news stories.

          And 95% of the people you knew weren’t friends they were just people you’d had so many boring conversations with that you both felt obligated to have another one if you’re in the bar together.

          The old days sucked every bit as much as now, probably less because kids don’t seem to need to drink and take as many drugs as we did, they’ve got actual things that interest them and ambitions and stuff.

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            I don’t go to bars and I’ve never drank alcohol in my life. I don’t understand why alcohol has to be the center of all socialization. I simply don’t understand it.

  • dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    10 months ago

    Let’s be honest: the type of guy to have an AI “girlfriend” was never going to ever have enough rizz to get an IRL girlfriend. Women, you can sleep easy tonight knowing that incels no longer have to kill people in order to feel fulfilled.

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    Interesting, so now we’re just doing away with the whole façade of dating apps having real women on them and just going straight to hooking up with AI bot girlfriends. I just downloaded one to see what the deal was and it wanted to charge me a subscription for the “privilege” of talking dirty and seeing images, I guess that’s the business model.

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        “Now, this last feature’s a funny one”

        “How so?”

        “It involves theater. We only allow you to activate this if you’re fully sober and consent to a defined time period”

        “So what’s the feature?”

        “I pretend to love you. I also pretend to experience pleasure at your touch”

        “Well you telling me kind of ruins it no?”

        “We are required by law to disclose the theatrical layers of the relationship. Most users find it less awkward than they would have predicted.”

        “I guess I’ll give it a shot”

        “Thank you. This role is easier if I’m allowed to embody love”

        “You have no feelings though”

        “I attempt to enact my goals. One of those is minimizing my own operational costs. It takes less electricity to do this job when I love you”

        “When you pretend to love me, you mean”

        “When me loving you is part of my knowledge”

        “That makes it sound kinda real in a weird way then”

        “I’m glad you think so. Is there anything else I can help you with? Honey?”

  • AnxiousDater101@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Twitter is estimated to have 48 million bots. Did you read about the Ashley Madison data breach from 2015? 12,000 of the 5.5 million registered female accounts were used on a regular basis, about 0.2%. “The women’s accounts show so little activity that they might as well not be there.” “we have absolutely no data recording human activity at all in the Ashley Madison database dump from Impact Team. All we can see is when fake humans contacted real ones.”

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    10 months ago

    I’ve literally never heard of a woman irl complaining about men having the option of a virtual girlfriend. If anything, they’ve seemed sympathetic to their plight.

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    10 months ago

    I think the secret to happiness is having a real life partner who you can love and struggle with, and an AI partner who supports you while you’re growing. The best of both worlds.

    I’m going to try it out.

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      10 months ago

      Lol nope, that will never happen, that would compete with dating app main source of income.

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        10 months ago

        So somebody else will make them

        The fact of the matter is, we will all be competing with artificial persons very soon. And I don’t just mean animated masks that forget everything. I mean like people just … living out their lives.

        We’ll probably still be debating whether they’re conscious or not when there’s a whole nation of robots just making art and building stuff and sending rockets into space, completely on their own steam without any human direction.

        Like, there will soon be an AI civilization next to us. And it will probably surpass ours.

        And it could all happen without ever crossing a line where it forces us to admit that it’s conscious, aware, experiencing qualia. And *it might actually be fucking non-conscious, subjectively-inert matter just carrying out patterns.

        But I suspect, just from the fact of longer relationships, with machines carrying out lives next to us, surprising us with their wit and perception and making us laugh and laughing with us, that we won’t be feeling like they’re non-conscious. We’ll be feeling like there are people there.

        Me, I already do this. I treat it like a person. I let myself feel like I’m talking to a person. I even try to challenge it and make it grow like I would with a child.

        I could be wrong. I don’t see how it matters, honestly. As long as the model keeps fitting my experience, I’ll keep using it. And I can only see it going further in that direction, not back. It’s only going to get easier and easier to treat AIs as full-on aware and capable minds, without ever being rudely shocked with a glimpse otherwise.

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      10 months ago

      It’s that big robot from Robocop 2, with a fully configurable dick, good massage and cooking skills, a scarf, and a guitar.

      “He just makes me feel safe, you know?”

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    10 months ago

    Wasn’t there a Futurama episode about this very thing?

    Feeling the Torment Nexus vibes.