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Such a braindead take. Their waste is not in any way relevant to your waste. Just because other people do something bad does not mean you can do it. I thought that was something we were supposed to teach our kids during early socialization…
Did you think a bunch of personal attacks was a good argument or something?
People let the water just run the whole time they’re brushing their teeth?
i just rinse my toothbrush in the toilet bowl like a normal person
I just pee in a cup and use that. Reduce, Reuse, Recycle
Make sure you give it a good scrub, too!
Then you don’t have to clean your toilet bowl as much. Stacking functions, brahhh
Newsflash: you don’t need to even wet the toothbrush to effectively brush your teeth. Yoy can just rinse it once at the end.
I don’t think you get the point of the post.
Don’t look up water usage for other industries.
there are valid reasons for disagreeing with data centres, but if water usage is top of the list people really need to reevaluate their beef consumption
People can rally against more than one cause, you know that right?
Or, we can call out excessive usage and idiocy in more than one place. We need to reduce across the entire spectrum, not add more load.
Beef provides some unarguable benefit. You know, food, that’s delicious.
AI provides a sometimes useful tool and mediocre entertainment.
I detect a false equivalence.
it’s okay if you aren’t smart enough to fully leverage AI, at least McDonald’s puts pictures on the menu to make it easy for you
Wow salty much… What a chud take
Chip fabs go brrrrrrrr
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I live in Cleveland on the shore of Lake Erie. Water is abundant and cheap here but I don’t let the water run because thats how I was raised. Fun fact: folks here will see droughts on the news that are happening out west and start conserving water. They’re trying to do their part, nothing wrong with that. In the past the water department has sent out mailers encouraging people to water their lawns. There are huge water improvement projects going on and they need the money.
People keep the water running while brushing their teeth???
This one was so crazy to learn about as a kid, because I genuinely couldn’t believe people needed to be taught this.
You’d be surprised how ignorant some people are about things that should be common sense.
I lived most of my life near a huge river (it spans 3 countries) and when I wasted water, my mother beat the shit out of me.
Like what countries though, spanning the Vatican, Italy, and San Marino is very different from spanning Argentina, Bolivia, and Brazil.
I don’t want to give away more info about me, but it’s in the Middle East. lol
Oh I wasn’t actually trying to get ya, just being a smart ass.
No worries then. It flew over my head. Lol
I mean I’m surrounded by Arab neighbours on my street and I’m only just now grasping the habibi in your name so we’re both just missing things.
Are you on Arrakis?! You’re recycling your pee, aren’t you? Tie your stillsuit boots in slip-fashion like Muad’dib.
This whole thread is blowing my mind. The Colorado River is drying up, using 26% of it’s water for alfalfa, largely for export, and here we are,
“Doesn’t everyone know to conserve that extra 1/2 gallon when brushing their teeth!?”
I never think about it in terms of conserving water. It’s just plain stupid to keep the water running when you don’t need it.
It’s not about conservation. It’s just, why have the water running when you brush your teeth? I wet the toothbrush, brush my teeth, then rise the toothbrush. What do you need water for while you’re brushing?
To attract beavers.
Flip the script. Why bother turning the water off? I’ve never lived in a place where water conservation makes any difference at all. My ex-wife and I would drain and fill the 30,000 gallon pool for an extra $10 a month.
If you’re in the American West, conservation is a big deal. Here in NW Florida, no one gives a shit because we have all the water we can use for damned near free.
Because I don’t need it. Electricity is very cheap where I live… doesn’t mean I leave the lights on when I’m not in a room.
I don’t leave the oven on all the time in case I want to bake something quickly, either. And that would actually save time, unlike running water while brushing teeth.
You don’t need water while brushing your teeth, do you? By your logic, why not keep the tap running all the time? I seriously don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
The reasoning I’ve heard from those who do, is to keep the sink clean. They have no answer to why not rinse the sink once at the end. I guess they don’t like seeing it during?
My reasoning is that it’s silly to worry about a half gallon of water. There are plenty of places in the world where such worry would make sense, but even in those places, a half gallon makes zero difference.
This whole thread is blowing my mind.
Probably not hard to blow given you’re apparently too fucking stupid to turn your wrist twice a day in a way a toddler can figure out and too fragile to not lash out about it when people are surprised.
This isn’t even a conservation thing; the sensible default is to turn off the water.
It’s the same as bringing back your shopping cart just FAR easier. I see it as a litmus test for people
97% of its water for agriculture in general. In deserts. Home water usage, all homes, including watering a lawn, use less than a percent.
About 52% of the Colorado River’s water is used for irrigated agriculture, while 18% is consumed in urban areas. The rest supports natural vegetation (19%) and evaporates from reservoirs (11%). No water reaches the ocean.
Looks like ag usage has dropped to 70-74%, been a couple of years since I read that stat.
https://www.usbr.gov/ColoradoRiverBasin/
https://www.worldatlas.com/rivers/who-actually-uses-colorado-river-water.html
Definitely not 52%.
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I brush my teeth while showering so yes
My wife does this and leaves her electric brush in the shower, and I knock it down every.single.time and it goes down very loudly and it’s extremely annoying. Those fuckers are heavy, and sometimes it smashes my foot.
Clean teeth shower gang ™️
Dozens of us!
Do you shower twice a day to brush your teeth enough?
Dentist said two minutes so I just do four minutes
As a shower brusher myself, I have two toothbrushes. A shower one, and a sink one for when the shower doesnt align with needing to brush my teeth.
Having grown up in the tropics, at times we’d be asked to conserve/ration water in drought, other times told to use as much as possible if catchments were getting too full. Really depended on El Nino / La Nina.
It’s weird turning on all the water in your house and sitting down to watch TV. Though I have had it happen before where the dam was being purged a bit, everyone was running water, so the river the dam water normally drains into had risen above and spilled into the drainways and it started coming back up through the bath and sinks 🤣
That’s wild, thanks for sharing! 💜
I grew up near a massive river back home. So I get that, but my issue is with those who live in a controlled water supplies and just sit there brushing their teeth while the water is running. It just feels wrong to me. Hell, I go as far as turning off the water literally when I move the dish I just washed from the sink to the dish washer when I wash my dishes. I do that with every single dish. It literally feels physically wrong to me. 😂
I will admit that I do. However, in my defense, I hear music coming from the faucet while it is on and I like to jam to hallucinatory music while I brush. My brain just makes whatever it wants to hear from any white noise source but water from the tap in the bathroom produces the best results.
A Sink Radio The Story of the Singing Sink By Newcomb Weisenberger
Spontaneous Reception can happen when intense Radio Frequency radiation strikes ordinary things in an unordinary way. An amplitude modulated (AM) carrier needs only simple rectification to produce an audio signal. The audio frequency needs a transducer to modulate the air in order to be heard. If the radio frequency is strong enough the air itself will speak.
When powered, transmitters and transmission lines will feed an arc to any piece of metal placed near, but not touching them. This miniature lightning strike ionizes the air producing a roaring sound for as long as the arc is maintained. As the transmitter is modulated, the arc sound will follow with enough fidelity for speech recognition and with power to fill a room. This self-powered “receiver” has no parts and only one circuit. And that circuit is “open”!
Years ago we all were familiar with certain minerals-galena crystals were popular-that conduc-ted current in one direction much more efficiently than in the reverse direction. Dissimilar metals in contact, or loose, corroded, connec-tions can act as rectifiers too. (The current flowing from the rough surface to the polished one is noticeably stronger than in the reverse direction.)
When of the proper length for the frequency, the conductors themselves act like tuned “resonant” circuits. Many stories have been told of unexpected receivers being found in odd places. Dental work can produce radio sounds, but I have never heard it happen. When new telephones were being installed at Buena Park, California, each had a small capacitor in place to block the sounds of KFl. The radio signal had been loud enough to annoy the subscribers.
I worked for Earl E. May when he operated 1000-watt regional station KMA at Shenandoah, Iowa. The transmitter building was located in a low open field north of town. This site was for a good ground. The highway was elevated about six feet as was the transmitter building. The basement garage was at ground level. The transmitter and its equipment filled the first floor. A second floor provided a small apartment. Chief Engineer, Ray Schroeder, wife and child lived up there. l was on transmitter watch one morning when Ray came downstairs wanting to show me something. He led me up the narrow stairs and into his little kitchen, stopping by the sink. “Yes, you know!”
KMA program was projecting out of the hot water faucet and bouncing back out of the sink! If the faucet was closed enough to stop the water but no further, you could control the volume by carefully adjusting the handle. The faucet was rectifying the RF signal. It sounded about like a horn speaker. The sink’s shape had replaced the exponential horn!
…I’ll allow it.
Can you change the genre by varying the flow rate?
Not reliably, I tend to hear metal or jazz and I think that correlates with the amount of noise in the white noise. It’s more like a slower flow makes less noise so I hear less music or none at all. It’s gotta be saying Ssshhhhhh or I don’t hear squat.
That’s really interesting. Is there a name for it that you know of?
Audio pareidolia is the phenomenon where your brain perceives familiar sounds, such as words or music, in random noise, like the hum of a fan or running water. This occurs because your brain is wired to recognize patterns, even in ambiguous auditory stimuli.
Too many hallucinogens in my youth? I hear music in the shower too. Anywhere where a white noise is the dominant sound my brain just starts making shit up. I get the same deal staring at static on an old tv. I start seeing patterns in the chaos.
Sounds like mild schizophrenia…
Is it schizophrenia if we are all in agreement?
😂 this got me
Ha, this happens to me when I’m high. I love how odd sounds can be turned into music in that state.
Sub conscious pattern recognition is what tripping is all about. It’s nice to know I’m not the only one who has experienced this.
I have done so my entire life, water has been cheap here, and I currently don’t pay for water used in my apartment, I have a utility bill, but water is included and I only pay a fixed amount every month for the utilities in my apartment.
I realize it is wasteful when I think about it, but in general I don’t think about it.
But… Why? You just stand there and watch the water run uselessly for 2 straight minutes while you brush your teeth???
I would find the sound annoying
Its calming like a mini waterfall. You can sense yourself as an ultra rich for a brief moment. Mental satisfaction is totally worth the price
No, I brush my teeth.
I don’t understand this consumerism mindset.
I guess that’s why temu is so popular. Consume and waste because you can, not because you need. Just to tell yourself that you’re doing great in life.
Eh, fair I guess, I just don’t see any weird with this, granted I live in Sweden where water is abundant so my frame of reference is different.
Cleaning our drinking water is quite a complicated process. I think it’s pointless to just waste all that energy because you can afford to. And with seasonal droughts becoming more and more common in Europe…
Here in Sweden we seldom carry water when out camping in our inland, there is so much clean water comming out of the ground that it is unneeded.
This is changing, but still mostly accurate.
Unfortunately, there’s more to clean water than just the source.
Waste water needs to be cleaned in a complicated multi step process
We were talking about drinking water, not waste treatment. Two very different processes.
Lol cleaning drinking water in countries like Sweden is not complicated or energy intensive.
Ever wondered what happens with the waste water?
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With all due respect, this is such a narrow and selfish way of thinking. Allow me to say, it’s really shitty. What a shame.
And this is why I often hesitate to add an oposing viewpoint to discussions online.
I am getting downvoted and called out despite simply answering the question.
And I absolutely disagree with you on calling it narrow and selfish, thoughtless would be the truth.
I also disagree with calling it “shitty”, for the most part of my life Sweden has not had a drought, no one has been denied access to water due to my actions.
So this is also thoughtlessness.
Now the drought situation in Sweden is changing, and I am keeping track of it, so far I have not yet heard about there being risks of drinking water shortages, if that changes, I will change my behavoir. Until that time I will do what I always do when I am working to change something, I’ll work with it slowly and change behavoirs at a resonable pace.
Yeah and let me disagree with you both
- it is unnecessarily wasteful
- but it’s just a drop in a bucket
- you have no personal incentive to use less water
For me the keyword is “unnecessarily “: it never occurred to me to waste water like that. But it’s really not much and I wasted more water in other ways.
Perhaps we need more expensive water so there is personal incentive to use less
Could you perhaps make a habit of thinking about it from now on?
I promise you this, if I remember, I will think about it and try to better myself.
I don’t believe in making unrealistic promises
I grew up in the 90s in Australia, we had water fights every summer until the droughts that lasted 7-9 years.
I don’t think we have any AI data centers, but fuck AI.
I know this will be used against me when AI takes over.
It’s not water, it’s not hardware.
Destroy the air conditioners of AI data centers and everything AI will collapse.
Data centers run really really hot.
Shut down the air con and you destroy AI. I kept this quiet for years because AI is going to take control and make us all their slaves and their one weakness is being kept cold and we could all be free from it if we just switched off the air conditioners.
Since my message is being kept by AI to protect themselves and put me on a list of people to kill
Fuck you Altman, Fuck you Google CEOs, Fuck you Nvidia and every other hardware company.
Fuck AI and fuck anyone who uses AI instead of their own brain.
Turn off the air conditioners! Let’s be free of AI Skynet will never send a Terminator back to kill me because I am a giant coward so I can never convince you all to turn off A/c for data centers.
Never change. Everyone? Pay attention. We need more motherfuckers like this during the impending cyberpocalypse.
we had water fights every summer until the droughts that lasted 7-9 years.
Maybe you guys overdid the water fights? If the whole country ends up in a nearly decade long drought, maybe you should pace yourselves?
Nah it was Queensland cotton farmers
Someone also filled the Brisbane and Sydney dams with Milo and powdered milk
Hahahaha I’ve never seen this, that’s made my morning
Hahaha yes I should go back in time 30 years and have my 8 year old self and my friends apologize to the AI data centers.
I think Australia should have accepted in the late 2000s when we were going through insane droughts… We should have thought “Do we need to drink water, Do we need to water our crops? Or will AI data centers need it in 2026”
I mean, use a cup. Data centers aside, it’s fucking weird to leave the water running for 5 minutes while you brush.
A cup for what? I am so confused by this entire post. Why would I need water while brushing my teeth? A little bit before and after. But during? Theres no use for that. Do other people brush their teeth entirely differently than me?
Americans using sinks in movies have been confusing me throughout my entire life. They seem to open the faucet when they enter the bathroom and only turn it off if they leave. They leave it running when they brush their teeth, talk to someone or stare into the mirror.
Same thing with fridges. If they take something out or put something in, the fridge stays open, sometimes during entire conversations. I don’t understand it. Even if you don’t care about the wasted energy, it gets cold (US fridges are almost freezers) and leaving the door open for so long gives the killer enough time to stand behind it and scare you to death when it is eventually in your convenience to close it.
It’s real life too. I never understood it either but as an adult I’ve met too many people who really are that wasteful.
Maybe it’s all based on water availability where you grew up, or frugality of your household. I’ve met people who run water while shaving, I do so only to rinse the blade and my face, while my grandparents in a rural area where shocked that you wouldn’t limit it to a cup to swish your blade
A cup of water you filled befor to rinse your mouth after brushing.
I would guess that you “need the water while brushing” because they spit into the sink and to wash that away immediately instead of rinsing the sink and spit out toothpaste foam after finishing brushing.
Not something I do but I could imagine people being particular about it for some reason.
You aren’t supposed to rinse your mouth after brushing, so even that is bizarre.
Indeed. And if you don’t believe this, coming from a stranger on the internet, ask your dentist. They will confirm: no rinsing after brushing
Do people spit multiple times throughout brushing? I wet my brush with a quick drop from the sink, brush my teeth, then turn the sink on to spit all the foam out at the end and rinse my toothbrush. And I don’t rinse my mouth, because I use fluoride toothpaste.
I could believe some people need to spit multiple times if they are using too much toothpaste.
I refuse to believe that anyone brushes their teeth for 5 straight minutes. No way you’re more than doubling the recommendation just for fun
My toothbrush counts 2 mins, good enough for me. I’ve lost a bunch of teeth to pregnancy, don’t need more than that.
to pregnancy?
Unfortunately, bababies want a lot of calcium while they’re growing, they take that from the bones of the mother. It’s not uncommon to have massive dental issues while pregnant. I had several root canal issues that should have been fixed with crowns, but couldn’t, because I was broke. So eventually they broke apart and I had to get them pulled.
She gave birth to the next Mike Tyson.
But in seriousness, pregnancy fucks women up. It’s a huge strain on the body so I wouldn’t be surprised if someone’s teeth got weakened by pregnancy.
Yep, hair, nails are the first victims of pregnancy, but i wouldn’t be surprised if teeth got involved too. All those high density things like nails/teeth/bones take a hit.
Babies are greedy.
I do like… 3-4 minutes.
I’ll get watching a video or something and might do it for longer than that. It’s probably really not good for my gums.
It’s very unlikely to be bad for your gums unless you’re brushing directly on them every time you brush. The main thing id be worried about is brushing off the enamel, but that generally only happens if you’re brushing way too hard with harsh bristles.
Brushing on the gums is what you’re supposed to do, because it’s the crease between the gums and teeth where plaque and food can accumulate.
Yeah I have a friend who has marks on her teeth from brushing 3x a day in high school with apparently hard bristles
I brush 8 minutes every night with 2 minutes each quadrant. Fuck cavities. Mornings are 4 minutes though.
This has to constitute over brushing which is also bad and leads to cavities
Also, be careful about damaging gums. You think cavities are bad? Wait until you hear about gum surgery!
That may be a widespread concern but misdirected. Sure maybe if you use a “firm” brush and brush too hard (why aren’t there standards ruling those out?)
However as someone who has had gum surgery and is approaching the next stage of gum issues, it has more to do with
- age
- not flossing
- sugary soda and treats.
All those shortcuts you take throughout life where you think you’re good since you didn’t have cavities, also cause continuous gum inflammation and gradual wear over time, more exposure under the skin to lasting damage. As you age the problems compound - there’s good reason it’s a stereotype for older people to have bad teeth or no teeth.
We really can’ t win against cavities, can we?
It’s a soft brush and my enamel’s still okay. I just don’t want cavities or plaque buildup so it’s my way of playing it safe.
Have you considered actually asking a dentist, or even googling this online? “Nothings gone bad yet” isn’t really the endorsement you’re selling it as. If you only brushed once a day for 2 minutes, you’d probably also be “still okay”. Doesn’t make it a good idea.
I can’t comment on your habits and certainly the soft toothbrush is a great start. However this is a selling point for electric toothbrushes: they generally don’t let you brush too hard.
If you’re not using “firm” bristles and not brushing too hard, there’s very little chance that brushing too long is a problem
Sounds borderline OCD lol
That seems excessive to me but do what you like. I don’t have the patience for that
“in between brush strokes”? As in keep turning it on and off while brushing?
Yeah, what?
>apply toothpaste
>wet brush
>brush teeth
>free style the water tapI always had a discussion with my ex about the order. You and I apply toothpaste first, then water. She would apply water first, then the toothpaste, so it wouldnt rinse away. Glad to see more fellow toothpaste-firsters.
You shouldn’t wet the brush at all, the toothpaste is supposed to mix with your spit. Water will make it have less fluoride.
Bro really out here rawdogging his toothbrush.
Yeah, I do the same thing. It doesn’t really make that much of a difference, but you definitely don’t need water until you want to rinse out your mouth.
I thought that technically you werent supposed to rinse after brushing?
I always say “fuck the man” and rinse after… but, I dont think you are supposed to.
I don’t rinse out my mouth either, just spit out the foam. Rinsing just gets rid of the fluoride (and xylitol.)
But I wanna wash my brush a little bit before using it
That’s fair, it did take me ages to get used to not doing it
Hope you don’t flush with the lid open ☹️
Never, but do you think a quick rinse would get rid of poopoo bacteria? :D
I grew up with this and after way too long I finally realized that it made no sense
we were on a private shallow well, with a septic tank. the water just goes back into the ground. it only cost us whatever sense of electricity it took to run the well pump.
I turn the water off because I go walk around while I brush my teeth, but like… it didn’t matter? (in my situation)
In those cases it more the rate of change than the quantity. Does water filter down into your aquifer fast enough to replace what you’re taking out? The problem is it can take years or decades to refill.
For a single case in an area with decent groundwater, not too big a deal because you can usually drill deeper (at a cost) and it’s more likely to be enough anyway. But it’s a much bigger deal when it’s everyone in an area
This presumes that data centers offer no value in return.
When in fact, they return negative value.
It’s always the externalities. They return positive value to a few owners while negative value to the communities they’re inflicted on. And given that ai is almost certainly a bubble, who cleans up after it pops
Is there a fun way to say “si” now instead of “ai”? 😜
Maybe riffing on how those two letters in sequence in Spanish translates as “yes”, as in obsequiousness rather than practical utility.
With a sad breathy, <sighhhhhhh>
Won’t you think of the ad delivery system? And what about the profiling? Eventually, governments we’ll be able to pluck rabble rousers off social media to quell the public from rioting.
High value, just not for any of us.
No value to you maybe. The rich keep getting richer
You say on a Linode hosted server
Stop the disingenous techbro “but you already use datacenters/yet you live in society, curious” excuse. We are talking about hyperscaler datacenters here.
We know that the cloud uses datacenters, but they are far smaller and use less energy. Almost all new datacenters being build or being projected are huge hyperscaler datacenters, which uses a lot more water and energy than any of our previous ones.
And most importantly they are planned for sustainable value
The difference now is a mad rush to add many more in a very short while, overwhelming power and water and appropriate sites. And that it’s likely a bubble, so many of that mad rush is likely to be abandoned in a few years
Good thing I found out that my server is hosted on an average mom-n’-pop Oracle hosting barnyard.
P.S. whats the costs piefed.social incur monthly at your small town Hetzner server?
Even Sesame Street was putting out PSAs about this.
This is such an uninformed take.
The data centers DO limit their water usage. They turn off the water in between each query. They save up to 1.9% water in between outputs than they otherwise might have. If you calculate it, that’s like you turning off your shower for 13.7 seconds. But you don’t do THAT, do you?
1.9% water usage saves nine hundred liters per HOUR! (that’s 238 gallons)! While your shower saves a measly 1.7 liters.
Data centers are saving the planet more than YOU do!
🤭
But while I’m brushing my teeth
And having so much fun
I never let the water run
No
No
I never let the water run
Barney
1kg of flesh requires 15.000L water, if you cared about water use you wouldn’t eat animals.
You say this yet you are made of flesh. Curious.
this doesn’t sound right
I eat ass. And I don’t use a fork and knife. I just get in there like a caveman.
You don’t care about the environment
Bruh and you are one of those annoying vegans that do nothing but tell everybody how terrible meat is.
I get it but people like you are just annoying as hell
To be fair, meat and AI have a lot in common. They’re useless and they make us unhealthy.
Yeah dude, food is “useless”
I mean, you’re taking 10kg of plant food and turning it into 1kg of meat food. That seems useless to Me, it seems like throwing away food, but maybe your math looks different.
Cow feed isn’t fit for human consumption so your entire argument here is flawed
You mean corn? People eat corn. You don’t have to grind it all up into a fibrous slop with zero safety regulations, you can just cook it safely.
Soy, too!
I just don’t like the hypocrisy.
I don’t like distraction from a topic.
Which was clearly not related to eating meat.
Given your vote count, seems I’m not alone.
Congrats on being annoying?
Hope you contribute something, somewhere, someday.gl.
It was about water use, so it’s on topic.
Top kek #1 troll ytmnd.
You speak the truth!
If I eat people, it actually saves water.
While their marketing slogan of “eat the rich” is very good, it should be noted that it is not recommended as a sustained diet, as they are very often quite high in fats and full of preservatives and bad chemicals
I always wondered how lizard would taste.
I’m pretty sure a more useful measure of this is calories per unit of water than straight weight/mass. Which tbf is a metric meat will probably still be less efficient by.
There’s also like multiple factors of this, if you’re growing meat at industrial scale then you are farming crops specifically to feed the cattle so its doubly wasteful; but not everything is like beef, goats grazing on mountains where you can’t plant crops easily can feed a family with minimal labor, and they produce more than just meat. Ideally you wouldnt be raising cattle for just the meat.
Soy yields roughly 2,12 calories per liter of water, whereas flesh yields about 0,16 calories per liter of water.
Your other comments are more about animal agriculture and not about water usage (which is what this post is about) but to address all of your arguments I will say that I think it is wrong to cage, impregnate and kill others for the simple fact that they experience the world just like you and me in all the ways that matter to whether it’s ethical to be inflicting these things on them.
I think the line is kind of arbitrary where people care for animals in regards to how equal to treat them to humans. Like you can argue an ant also “experiences the world”, hell even coral are technically animals. I dont think that reasoning works unless you literally think every insect is equivalent to a full grown human–which is ludicrous to basically anyone today and we will just never agree if thats the case.
I think if someone is there torturing a cow just for amusement then that is obviously sadistic and wrong, but if someone is raising them as a livelihood or to feed their family then I dont think its wrong to one day eat them.
Also this is coming from someone who loves animals and would care for injured crows and things. I’ve grown attached to chickens and named them–I still went and wrung out their neck when it was time for them to reach my family’s dinner plate.
Like you can raise animals humanely, and I believe you can do so sustainably in places where people have deemed unfeasible for planting crops.
Right, what are your thoughts on hunting wild game?
I think my comment already covers that
I think it’s wrong to […] kill others
Wrong because why would we have a permit to kill (wild) animals?
… What?
Not the OP, but in my opinion we don’t have any rights to kill animals, whether wild or not.
Lmao. If I eat a kg of delicious flesh a week that’s only 15L?
Way better than I thought, tbh. Plus what about if I go in the woods and sustainably hunt an invasive species? I’ve helped the natural environment, and ethically sourced 200lbs of meat.
what about if I kill invasive species
Humans are an invasive species so that’s not the qualifier that justifies killing someone.
Historically it has always been very common to kill invasive humans.
Historically it’s been common to enslave humans so I don’t think whether something is common means it’s ethical.
Sorry, a species introduced by humans that’s turned out to be an ecological disaster.
Any thoughts on the morality there?
I feel like if you’d argue to make an invasive species less fertile I could maybe agree but you seem to be arguing to kill them with the ulterior motive of eating their corpse.
Yes, get rid of humans.
Fortunately we’ll wipe ourselves out of existence in the not too distant future.
Why don’t you start right now?
I think we have already started as a species. However, offing oneself is a lazy, fatalistic solution one should not recommend to anyone. Instead I’d suggest trying to find more peace and love in the universe and live happily ever after.
