Basically, the company had to pay for its own buyout when private equity firms KKL, Vornado, and Bain bought the company for $6.6 billion, mostly with loans.
Because the company then had to pay off those extreme loans, they were forced to sell off their assets and property, which they leased back from the very private equity firms that now owned them.
The same thing happened more recently with Red Lobster and JoAnn Fabrics.
TIL: stock buybacks were considered insider trading before Reagan made them legal
Is there anything that Reagan hasn’t fucked?
He died before Epstein Island was a thing, presumably.
Whatever he didn’t got fucked by Clinton.
He did not. Have. Sexual relations. With that. Policy.
“Bill! Get you dick out of the jelly beans!”
Your mom.
Well he better get to work then
The entire investor community is filled with shitbags.
What will really shift your thinking is finding out that they have done this to almost all the hospitals in the United States, which is part of the reason healthcare costs have skyrocketed.
Hospitals need more to pay their leases, health insurers need to pay more to feed the hospitals machine, premiums go way up/more services restricted/more cost share (copay etc)
If you think it’s shitty that consumers can’t own anything anymore, they stole your wellbeing services while you were bitching about how little is still on Netflix these days
This is enough reasoning to say that capitalism is the single greatest enemy of mankind. The search for endless profit will kill everyone.
Careful now, they’re about to classify criticism of capitalism terrorism.
Nono its the best system. All others have failed. You cant have the American dream without capitalism.
/LIES FROM FASCISTS
Capitalism is a great system as long as it’s regulated. It’s been more and more destructive and caused catastrophic shifts in wealth distribution since deregulation started with Reagan
You’re basically saying cancer isn’t so bad as long as it’s just a little cancer and is kept in check. All you need is a few bad actors and everything goes up in flames.
The culture of consumption is the greatest threat to humanity.
Capitalism, and even communism, are just means to that end.
The fact that they can buy a company by going into debt and immediately transfer the debt to the company is fucking insane. Maybe we need to figure out how we as individuals can do that and just fucking crash the lending industry entirely? Can I make my house buy itself for me and then “whoopsie, the house can’t pay the bills, guess it will file for bankruptcy and hand me a big ol’ stack of cash”.
That’s how landlords work.
Take loan, buy houses, house has to pay back loan via rent, rent is paid for by renter.
Landlord gets house for free, everything paid by renter.
And the same thing happens to banks for people with mortgages.
In this scenartio, the Landlord also owns the maintenance company, so the renter pays the wages of the maintenance advisor and maintenance costs.
As usual, renting is one of the biggest scams society has fallen for.
We only accept it as normal because so many people around us are doing it.
the same happens to most mortgages, namely income goes to the lender and you get a house.
But, you get the equity, and you own the house when (if) you pay off the loan. Renters get nothing.
Renters get a roof over their head (and they should be grateful for that). /s
I’m not going to say exactly what it would take, but it rhymes with Bolotov Cocktail
I couldn’t possible know what you mean, but that sounds delicious.
Justice often is.
I use fireball in mine. So the revolution will smell like cinnamon.
Fireball and gin. Tastes like Christmas.
They will never, ever give us equal rules willingly. The only way that’s going to happen is if we build a new financial system, immune to their Pinkertons and police.
You will not build a new financial system without structures of power. The best we can do is to understand the structures of power and how to combat them.
You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.
— Buckminster Fuller
Structures of power… You mean “guillotines”?
I mean things like this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
I mean things like this.
Can I make my house buy itself for me and then “whoopsie, the house can’t pay the bills, guess it will file for bankruptcy and hand me a big ol’ stack of cash”.
2008 called…
This is like me taking out a loan to buy a car and then expecting the car to make the payment.
And since all the debt is on the company and not the people/organization who bought the company, they don’t suffer any of the repercussions of defaulting on the loans. Why this isn’t illegal is beyond me.
It was illegal, then Reagan changed that.
Because of course it was Reagan.
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Well fuck … that’s even more depressing.
Elementary my dear billwashere, in one word: money.
People don’t notice the leeches, so noone cries out. This enables said private equity leeches to
bribe politiciansmake considerable donations to various political action committees. And believe it or not, politicians like money.Well, you wouldn’t want those politicians to be poor?
Oh deary me, no, poor politicians would be susceptible to bribes
Well, in theory it’s the responsibility of the banks to not make bad loans. If private equity passes on their debt to the company they bought, and then that company goes bankrupt and the private equity walks away free, that’s still the bank’s problem and they’re gonna lose a lot of money. Of course the problem is banks have a pretty bad track record about being disciplined with their loans.
Yeah?
Isn’t that the entire thing that private equity firms do? Buy up companies, sell all their assets to the private equity firm, then have them lease it all back for insane amount until it’s bankrupt.
Makes a whole lot of short term profits, destroys the company and it’s employees. No fucks given
Private equity firms are a cancer (amongst many cancers) on humanity
They killed Karstadt this way, V&D, and I bet a bunch of other department stores too.
Looks like EA is next on the chopping block.
Glad I stopped caring about the game industry.
Now it’s just fun to laugh and point the finger at all the morons/losers getting taken advantage of for being stupid.
It wasn’t always this bad. It started out as a way to improve local businesses. The problem is the internet and all the hype
Ummm private equity firms have been evilly destroying companies since the early eighties at least.
This was back in the 70’s
I hate to tell you this but private equity has been a problem long before the Internet went mainstream. I think venture capital firms we’re a product of a post-WWII world trying to capture as much wealth as possible during reconstruction. I’d have to check some sources to be sure of that and I’m really not motivated enough to do it.
For a while they brought down prices and improved service
It only was like that for a short time though
Don’t see how the internet plays a role in firms purchasing stuff then gutting them for profit.
Local business owners are better at their jobs since they have a tremendous amount of resources at their disposal
I watch the YouTube channel “Company Man” that does a bunch of interesting business stories. 95% of the “Decline of (brand)” or “Rise and Fall of (brand)” videos are because of leveraged buyouts.
A group of idiots borrow billions of dollars, throw the unrecoverable debt onto the books, slowly killing the company, and then it’s dead.
Who loans this money? How does that work? I understand the rest of it about being a bastard who collects millions in salary and bonuses while driving a company into the ground. I just don’t understand where the money comes from, or why.
It may be U.S. plutocrat strategy to weaken political enemies by killing their companies.
Consider Microsoft destroying Nokia and their Linux phones to benefit fellow American companies Apple and Google.
Consider the Destruction of OkCupid as an attack against its liberal-skewed user base.
Consider Microsoft destroying Nokia and their Linux phones to benefit fellow American companies Apple and Google.
I’ve considered it, but I do think it was a huge blunder that was planned differently. They invested a bunch of money in Windows Mobile, had a partnership with Nokia and then bought their mobile business… And then they just gave up, handling their competitors in other markets (Apple being a competitor to Windows and Google at the time being already a competitor to Office) a win. I suspect they actually had faith in Windows Mobile and wanted to fuck up Nokia and buy their phone business so they could sell Windows Phones.
Oh it is real simple. Imagine you have a really nice truck that is all jacked up with a lift, big tires, light bar, supercharger, etc.
I want to buy it and you want $10k for it since it is an older model and most of it’s worth is from the accessories. The problem is I don’t have $10k. I only have $2k.
This is where the magic happens. I find some someone who will buy all your accessories for $8k. I make a deal, let me strip your truck and I will pay you $10k for it.
You agree and I come over, take off all the accessories and then sell them for $8k and then buy your truck for $10k.
The truck is pretty worthless at this point without wheels or anything, but I can sell it for about $3k. Well, I ruined the truck and made a thousand bucks. This is a silly example of how they get the money.
Did you know companies can take out loans to buy their own stock to raise the value.
This kind of buyout should be made illegal.
“Millennials are ruining the [_] industry! How dare they-”
Oh right, it was capitalist greed all along. Excuse me while I shed a tear for your precious local Applebee’s as you keep voting for the people who enable these acquisition monopolies, lmao
I think Kmart and Sears are in this list, too, along with Bed, Bath, and Beyond and even some hospitals. There’s nothing private equity forms won’t do to make a buck at the expense of a once thriving company or even people’s healthcare.
Often private equity is invested in their competitors. One of the problems of rich people having ungodly sums is they like to “invest” in competitors and sell them for parts so they can raise prices.
Also Red Lobster.
I generally feel like leveraged buyouts for numbers into the billions are just inside jobs for those selling.
Stay with me for a sec.
So the seller makes a closed door deal with the “buyer” to funnel money back to them personally after the sale is done. So in this case, say, they commit 3.6bn to the “buyers” and pocket 3bn for themselves. Almost the entire purchase is leveraged, with the expectation that it will become unsustainable and go bankrupt shortly after the purchase.
The buyers don’t really give a shit, they’ll write it off, collect whatever they can from insurance, etc. They didn’t really want to company anyways, so they let it fold.
The money they took home from the deal with the seller is entirely theirs, the company bears the weight of the debt and the consequences of defaulting on the debt, so the execs that made the move are basically free and clear.
Everyone wins, except, you know, the poors who work at the purchased company, the banks, who don’t give a shit, and insurance people, which… Nobody gives a fuck about them…
At the end of the day, the execs of the purchasing company get rich, the sellers get rich, and that’s the fucking point.
If the sellers instead just closed up shop, they would get maybe a fraction of the money they would from selling it, mainly in selling off assets… It would be a pittance compared to this scheme.
All they need to do is find someone they can buy out the morals of, to complete the deal. This is surprisingly easy in the corpo world.
Ok, but who is providing the loans for the buy out. When they default on the debt someone or some thing is not getting paid. If that were the case eventually no company would loan money for a leveraged but out right?
The banks, and/or the insurance companies.
In the case of the banks, the money isn’t real and never existed in the first place.
The fiat money system is pretty fucked when you understand it.
At worst they take the “loss” and at best, they get bailed out by public dollars.
Pick whatever fits your ideals.
Bear with me for a bit, because i don’t understand these schemes.
If the sellers instead just closed up shop, they would get maybe a fraction of the money they would from selling it, mainly in selling off assets… It would be a pittance compared to this scheme.
How would the sellers get more money from this scheme? Isn’t liquidating company assets are basically what the buyers (the private equity firms) did anyway?
collect whatever they can from insurance
How does the insurance companies keep falling for these? This has happened several times, and insurance companies aren’t known for being charitable.
It keeps working because the insurance/bank systems are evaluating things on the merit of the lender and their business plan. Anyone can make a decent business plan that will pass muster if you fiddle with it long enough. And the individual company/organisation that is defaulting on these are a dime-a-dozen. Since the failure of the loan goes down with the ship (and company), even if the borrower’s ask for more money tomorrow, as long as the request is coming from a different company/organization, the banks evaluate based on the organisation that is requesting the loan, not the leadership’s failed previous attempts from other businesses.
Incorporated companies have limited liability from their owners. While the owners operate as agents of the business, ultimately the business itself is liable for their decisions. They don’t bear any responsibility. So their actions are based on what will get them, personally, the most value extracted from the business, not based on what’s good for the long-term success of the company itself.
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Every time I read something like this, it makes me want to burn money.
Well, money is only as valuable as we think it is, and what goods or services it can be traded for.
The money itself carries very little value itself, only what we assign to it, or associate to it.
If the economic system based on the currency currently in use collapses, the money you have won’t be worth the paper it’s printed on.
Why did they have to pay off the loans that were used to buy them? That’s something the buyer should be responsible for.
Probably because the C suite assholes who negotiated the buyout agreed to place the burden of the loan on their own company and shaft their employees. It’s basic capitalism, really.
Basic? It seems this kind of wizardry only happens to companies who are in their own kind of abomonative category. I’ve never seen this happen to small to large businesses. They are also capitalism, that doesn’t make sense
The exact workings im not familiar with but it’s called “leveraged buyout” where the net worth of the firm which is bought is the collateral.
So … you buy firm A with money you lended. When the sale gors through all belongings of firm A are yours! So you sell them off, you know what? You want to make a profit so you sell EVERYTHING.
Now firm A is but a husk of it’s former self. So now is the time to put it in some holding company or something. Now the husk of firm A is indebted to you.
Oh noes! It goes bankrupt! With your investment firm as the biggest lender to it!
should
Yep.
Pretty much nothing in “the economy” works like it does in theory. It’s always way more complex so the people with the most power and money can squeeze more exploitation out of it. I really like how this guy explains it
https://www.facebook.com/reel/976701137942045
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1LcJjd6Wosw
He’s got a whole series on Private Equity
I think that’s the natural outcome. that’s the emergent behaviour of capitalism.
those with more money have more power and more influence to make the system better for those with money and power.
the rest, like almost all “economics” its just BS to hide that simple fact.
Sometimes teenagers ask me about how the stock market works.
I love explaining shorts, because the reaction is always “how does that even make sense?”
The short answer (ba dum, tisssss) is that some forms of mutual funds buy a little bit of every stock rather than picking and choosing. Then, for reasons never really made clear, they let other investors borrow those stocks as long as they return them later.
DOGE used this same model on the US government.
Capitalism is not rational
Same with Sears, right?
Picked apart by vultures for all that prime store and warehouse real estate they owned by virtue of having been around since the 19th century.
Yes and No. Sears could have limped along for longer but the geriatric leadership they brought in made a bunch of stunningly bad decisions. Sears built their business on catalogs and shipping direct to consumers. With their huge distribution network, trusted name, and network of stores they could have embraced a hybrid model and been on the cutting edge of e-commerce but the geriatric fucks they put in charge doubled down on the retail model they had always known but with shittier service.
