Of course they want it, that’s why they had him killed.
The fact that they want to call everything
“false flags”
& the fact that their go to move is projection
definitely makes this whole thing pretty sus to me.
only the influencers are calling this, drum up shit to gain more views.
There’s this perverse incentive in how these people make money and a living. If they abandoned the culture war, they’d be broke.
Do literally anything, you doughy fucking turds.
Hey, he had to be sacrificed for the 2A
I hope it was an illegal immigrant and they’ve already shipped him out of the country.
Anyone see the video where two men directly behind him were doing really obvious hand signals? Is it up somewhere on lemmy because Reddit took it down?
What?
Two men to the immediate right of him were doing very clear hand signals right as he was shot
I don’t know if this is a decent source, but at least it’s context.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15089705/Security-suspicious-hand-signals-Charlie-Kirk.html
They’d do anything but release the Epstein files
But the people making jokes are the real problem/s
What about the assassination of a senator? Did that also upset the right, or where they all cheering?
It’s okay if they kill a demon-rat. The brain washing combined with stupidity dissolves them of any wrong doing.
What other time in history did people call other people rats and cockroaches?
Can’t recall. There’s nothing Tutsi here though.
On one hand, I agree with the point. Political assassinations should be condemned by the right, and it shouldn’t be acceptable to have people giving a pass on political grounds.
On the other hand, I was reading the comments on here after Kirk was shot, and almost without exception, people here were cheering. I saw one or two comments from people saying something like “political assassinations are bad”, and people heavily downvoting them.
Now, okay. I can’t prove that some of the users commenting and cheering on the assassination weren’t, say, bots aimed at trying to create political division and polarization, though I doubt that the Threadiverse is likely the juciest of targets for that sort of thing; not a huge userbase. But my strong suspicion is that we are failing to meet the bar being asked of the right here.
I was reading the comments on here after Kirk was shot, and almost without exception, people here were cheering.
And I’d bet if you read the comments in some fringe, right-leaning boards, you’d have heard people cheering for the governor being killed, or Pelosi being attacked, etc.
What matters is the response of those in charge. People are asking leadership to take action. No one gives a shit about random internet posters.
As an example, Biden put out a statement condemning the assassination attempt against Trump. Trump is calling for retribution against the Left here.
I certainly see where you’re coming from; there’s a difference though.
Charlie Kirk was fighting to overturn the social contract; he didn’t think the country has to accommodate LGB (and especially T) folks, atheists, Muslims, leftists, single women, et cetera. Hell, he loved political violence directed against Democrats.
People who break the social contract should not be surprised when they lose its protection.
Tolerance is not a paradox; it is a social construct. The difference between the assassination of the Minnesota state rep and the assassination of Charlie Kirk is that the Kirk was openly inciting violence against others. He rejected the social construct and was thus no longer protected by it.
I’ll celebrate the death if anyone who’s entire existence is to being more pain, cruelty, and hatred into this world. CEO of an evil corporation? Spokesperson for a nazi propaganda network? Corrupt politician that has repeatedly voted against protecting minorities, rent control, of universal healthcare? They have all spread violence and misery to hundreds of millions of people because they thought they were untouchable.
You know Charlie Kirk repeatedly said dead children were a small price to pay for the second amendment?
Do you weep for dead Nazis? I don’t.
Yeah, the problem I’m seeing now is that everyone on the right is seeing the left’s reaction. And now they don’t care if the shooter actually was someone from the left or not.
The response they see is all they need to justify any reaction. Of course they’re conveniently forgetting their own response (and Charlie Kirk’s response) to Pelosi’s attacker.
Like they needed to justify it…
I’m of two minds about celebrating his death, in that I do, but I agree that people cheering vigilante killings is a sign of an unhealthy society. We definitely have an unhealthy society, and it seems like there’s not a functioning justice system for prosecuting people who foment hatred or commit societal murder, but this could lead to an American Reign of Terror, which would obviously be tragic.
That said, there’s a difference between being glad someone’s gone and declaring war on half of the political spectrum. I won’t say it definitely didn’t happen, but I didn’t see anyone suggesting that we take revenge for that senator, even on Lemmy. Certainly not in as widespread a manner as I’m now seeing it for Charlie Kirk.
Lemmykins are incredibly hypocritical.
And of course the right winger regurgitates the old moronic “So much for the tolerant left”.
Read up on the paradox of tolerance.
Swing and a miss.
No right minded person is going to give empathy for a dead Nazi, but look at you go.
Stop feeding the troll. Block it and move on.
Strike two!
I hope you don’t fall off all the way up there bud
Maybe, yeah. But I’m thinking more that it’s that they’re human, and maybe humans on both sides aren’t all that great at holding themselves to that bar. Like, maybe it’s not that Threadiverse users are particularly abnormal as people go, and more that the normal person isn’t very good at refraining from giving “their side” a pass.
But I’m thinking more that it’s that they’re human, and maybe humans on both sides aren’t all that great at holding themselves to that bar.
Oh, you’re absolutely right. Both sides absolutely think “I’m going God’s righteous work” and that the other side is simply “evil”. The hyper-partisanship has been crazy for some time on both sides. And then along comes a sociopath authoritarian (Trump) to just kick it all up to 11…
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State level politicians are less likely to have impact outside their state. Nobody knew Hortman. Kirk was known by virtually everyone. Much bigger impact, much bigger reaction.
2/4 of the people I talked to yesterday had no idea who he was, so not as big to folks who don’t end up seeing the full stage.
I only knew of him as some right wing edgelord troll type until a month ago or so. Never saw him speak.
Given that the reaction from media on the left also shows a very different reaction Kirk vs. Hortman, I think your estimation of the difference between the two is not reflective of what’ll be the final reaction to these two events.
These are national talking heads. They know about all these events.
I was going to note that it’s not known who did it or why, but that doesn’t really matter, does it?
Nope. This shit is even on linkedin. And that includes my braindead countrymen too. They’re blissfully unaware that the melon-headed fuck would’ve called them unclean, stinky, smelly pajeets. Fucking morons.
you’ve seen it too. yeah there’s a line of people from every culture who who think he was going to bat for them but just being coy about it
Literally every culture.
That’s what a lot of people don’t want to admit. This brand of shitty populism isn’t just an American thing. It’s everywhere.
Alberta was just threatening to secede from Canada because of the same stuff. No one’s immune.
It never has before so why start now? Any excuse to bully and kill.
So, people on the right are calling for violence against the left? And this is different from any other day ending in Y because…?
This is something a lot of people don’t seem to understand. The right has already been calling for leftists to be dragged to the streets and executed. Celebrating a dead Nazi isn’t going to change that.
In DC they just straight up fabricated some bullshit. People who think kirk getting a lead pill changes anything are delusional.
Let’s get some National Guard troops on the ground in Utah! DC was invaded because a little shit was beaten up by a child. No talk of Utah and an actual killing. Typical.
Utah is a republican-ran state, unlike the ones he’s already deployed troops into
That’s my point, he makes these flimsy reasons for invading but the big ones he just shrugs. Keeps making him look weak. Such a pusillanimous.
Mormons are still a religious minority and have long been a scapegoat in the US. Church of LDS has an eye watering amount of wealth that they aren’t sharing with Uncle Sam or Trump.
That’s a good point that I hadn’t appreciated until just this moment. The fact that the killing occurred in Utah makes it seem relatively likely to me that it was carried out by a Mormon anti-Trump conservative.
Good thing crime can’t happen in red states.
If you’re R in a red state, “crime” doesn’t exist for you. It’s a thing brown people do.
A single and fatal shot fired from the roof of a tall building 200 yards away while Kirk was under a canopy.
Despite strict lockdown procedures being a normal part of every college campus in 2025, the college officially evacuates the campus and the shooter just walks away.
The FBI quickly catches and releases the wrong suspect twice, and the only description they can offer is a man in dark clothing.
I have to admit this does have government conspiracy written all over it, but guess who currently controls the government?
Well, that side has been itching to start their civil war, and they’re absolutely capable of sacrificing one of their own in order to obtain the license they think they need. Stranger things have happened.
Yeah that shot was masterful… conspiracy or not, this was a trained sniper.
Nooot really? I mean I’m not gonna lie I haven’t really looked into the exact shooting here but 200 yards isn’t really that crazy of a shot. If you assume the shooter was aiming for the neck it becomes a bit of a crazy shot, but I bet they were aiming for the head or body.
I’m sure many people who regularly go hunting could land a 200 yard shot. Heck I bet if you gave someone a few weeks of practice in a range they could consistently land 200 yard shots.
I say this from a place where I actually have fired guns before, including things like Ar-15s and an assortment of hunting rifles. They’re just too easy to use.
I’d probably aim for the neck to be honest. Gives room above and below for error.
Not sure it was just the fact they made the shot. They also got away.
For now sure. I doubt the killer will get away with it forever, and even if he does, I won’t be shocked if someday we found out that it was just a hunter, who escaped into the local desert/woods/mountains whatever is near that town.
I have little faith in cops in general to do the right job, and with the amount of confusion, “We got him!” “No we didn’t!” “We got him!” “Also not this guy!” on the scene it’s not astounding that the shooter wasn’t caught immediately, at least to me anyway.
Make no mistake someone is going down for this. I get the sense they have no idea who it was so they are just gonna pick someone up after awhile.
Yeah, this wouldn’t surprise me.
The shooter was very professional and shot him in the upper chest. The bullet ricocheted off his armor plate and into his neck. When the bullet hit the vest, it flattened and the jagged edges cut that main artery instantly and he bled out. The shooter was probably about 70-80 feet above Charlie, with 3,000 people around, a tent probably covering Charlies head, and had to flee the scene and blend in with the crowd running.
This sounds like government job all day long.
Could have been former military? They used a single shot and then eloped with no trace. Very clean and professional.
200 yards is anything but masterful, with even a low-end scope its an easy shot if you’ve spent more than a day or two practicing at a range. The armys qualifying target is a human silhouette set at 300 yards and they are using open iron sights with no magnification or aid whatsoever.
I’m a hunter. I shoot my guns maybe 3-4 times a year (couple days at the range and a couple actually hunting). Like, less than 100 rounds/year between four guns. So I’m not a great marksman, and definitely not a “trained sniper”.
This would be an easy shot for me. At 150 yards, I can shoot a 1/2" grouping, and I have a low-end rifle and scope. You don’t have to account for bullet drop or wind at that distance. Just aim and shoot.
Could have been luck. I agree with you, but I’m just saying that it also could have been luck.
The GOP is already at war with us. They are stealing all of our public funding, they are taking away vaccines that save our lives, they are sending in armed military to keep us in fear, and they have purchased the supreme court to give them whatever they want.
The war started in January when the pedophile got into office.
They’re just mad they got punched back
We don’t even know that. Its completely possible kirk was cheating on his wife with the killer and things did not end amicably.
In most cases of murder the murderer is somebody the victim knew.
Please God, if you exist, let this have been done by a jilted lover. Give us a sign that there’s a light at the end of the tunnel and we’re on track towards the funniest timeline.
I hope it was a diehard Trump supporter.
They always lie and say it was a leftist anyway. The truth is what trump says not what we see with our eyes.
Yeah… I know. I can hope though.
Supposed pictures of the shooter are out now. It’s a white male, who could have figured that one out!?!?!
