frenly warnin - eviltoast
  • JackbyDev@programming.devEnglish
    47·
    2 天前

    Gee, I wonder if Aryansoldier1488 knows if 1488 is a dog whistle for Nazis? I’d hate for Aryansoldier to get caught up in this. It was probably a random number.

  • jsomae@lemmy.ml
    58·
    2 天前

    I do feel bad for people born in the year 1488 though, their usernames look really suspicious.

    • Bubs12@lemm.ee
      38·
      2 天前

      The 14 refers to “The Fourteen Words”

      “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
        301·
        2 天前

        It’s funny because it’s hardly an inspiring or memorable 14 word sentence. It’s just awkward and clunky.

        Like, why “secure”? Why not “safeguard” or “defend”? IMO those are stronger, more emotionally resonant words.

        And why “existence”? Why not something stronger like “survival” or something more than survival like “prosperity”?

        And just “a future” for white children? Not “a glorious future” or “a triumphant future”?

        And, why “white children”? Not the white race?

        Also, how is “a future for white children” distinct from “the existence of our people”? Are white children distinct from “our people”?

        I could get it if it were framed as: we must defend our survival now so that our children can prosper. In that case you’re saying that the present might be tough but the future will be bright. But they’re not painting the future as bright, just “a future”, which is really the same as an “existence” so it’s basically saying “Our people must survive and so must our children, who are also our people, but smaller.”

        Like, they memorized the first draft of some dumb saying and revere it as “the 14 words”, but it’s just badly written, nevermind all the racism.

        • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
          18·
          2 天前

          It’s the same tactic as the “It’s OK to be white” or “White lives matter” slogans, but more clever because it leaves enough ambiguity such that just about anything can be justified under it. It mentions children to come across as more innocent and to implicitly accuse the opposition of endangering children (also playing into LGBT scaremongering, with the Nazis using the same tropes they use today). “Think of the children!” is a common and effective propaganda line.

          Saying “future” instead of “glorious future” suggests that the children wouldn’t have a future at all otherwise. That the white race is under attack and is otherwise on track to be eliminated by Jews and communists and so forth. It’s harder to justify atrocities in the name of “a glorious future” vs “a regular future” as opposed to “a regular future” vs “we are completely exterminated ourselves.”

          It is, of course, bullshit, because it’s literally Nazi propaganda trying to frame them as on the “defensive,” but it is carefully and intelligently crafted propaganda. It’s important to understand the enemy and their approaches in order to better counter their movements and defeat them, they should not be underestimated.

          • merc@sh.itjust.works
            51·
            2 天前

            I get what you’re saying, but it’s still just really clunky writing.

            Like, you want to include children for the “think of the children!” aspect, then just add “and our children” to the existing clause. There’s no need for a whole secondary clause about the future of the children when that’s already covered by the clause about the existence of our people.

            It’s not that I expect Nazi writing to be good. It’s just that someone has to have said it better than this, even just accidentally, and yet this version is the one that Nazis have decided to immortalize.

            If this version was the winner, what were the early drafts like?

            • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
              12·
              2 天前

              I looked into it more and the specific phrase was developed by a Neo-Nazi domestic terrorist. It bears a heavy resemblance to the following quote from Hitler:

              What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe.

              Idk what you’ll think of that one, but I actually thought the 14 words were a slogan used in Nazi Germany. The fact that it was just some whackjob makes me see it as less professionally crafted.

              Also, if you think the 14 words are cringy and poorly written, wait until you hear the often omitted follow up to them:

              because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the Earth.

              Right wingers be normal about women challenge level: impossible.

            • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
              3·
              2 天前

              Maybe they emphasise “children” to encourage more of the current adult generation to sacrifice themselves. And to manage expectations of when the benefits arise.

        • Juniper (she/her) 🫐@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          8·
          2 天前

          “Secure” also has the meaning of taking something with great difficulty, not simply defending. It’s a threat. All the rest is just using catastrophic/severe language to lure in followers to their cause.

          • TheDoozer@lemmy.world
            10·
            2 天前

            This reminds me of an anecdote talking about language differences between the US armed services:

            If you told a Marine to secure a building, they would kick the door in and take control of the building.

            If you told a soldier in the Army to secure a building, they would set up a fence around it and establish a sentry.

            If you told a Navy sailor to secure a building, they’d turn off all the lights and close and lock the door on their way out.

            If you told an Airforce airman to secure a building, they would write up a purchasing contract.

        • Excrubulent@slrpnk.netEnglish
          2·
          2 天前

          “Secure” doesn’t just mean “defend” or “safeguard”. “Secure” also means “capture”, so it implies you need to go out and get it, like with invasions or something maybe, idk. It’s a lot less passive.

          “Existence” means both “survival” and “prosperity”. It implies that both their existence is under threat, while creating the idea that they might be able to make it better. Maybe they could, idk, make america great again, trying to return to some mythical prelapsarian era by beating back the eternal threat.

          “A future” does this too, implying they may not have a future at all.

          And talking about the “children” brings up the concept of making new people, evoking the idea that non-white races are out-breeding them. It also includes the common “think of the children” idea.

          And finally the fact that it’s short and boring comes from the fact that nazis are uninspiring and uninspired, and they need a simple, to the point slogan to repeat without thinking about it too hard. They certainly know how to make a message concise, even at the cost of saying almost nothing of meaning when you think too hard about it.

          All of this is classic fascism.

    • considine@lemmy.ml
      8·
      2 天前

      88 is a lucky number in Vietnam. You’ll see Vietnamese restaurants use 88 in their name sometimes.

      Different cultures, different meanings. Not that Nazis are a culture. They are distinctly uncultured.

    • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5436·
      3 天前

      That looks like screenshot from any user to me. The highlighting is the same as me taking a screenshot of a comment where I @ someone else. It also looks the same when I see someone else’s comment @ someone else.

      Edit: thank you all for down voting me for admitting that I didn’t notice the difference in the background and replied thinking they might be referring to the name highlighting. Clearly I must have been disagreeing with the comment I replied to and not just trying to learn something!

        • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          72·
          3 天前

          I don’t worry about it, just bugs me when people get downvoted for being unaware of something and admitting to it. “Here’s why I don’t understand” tends to be inferred to mean disagreement.

      • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        111·
        3 天前

        dont worry about downvotes, everybody will at some point be downvoted, valid reason or not. I know it feels bad, but everyone makes mistakes and it’s totally normal to be wrong sometimes ❤️
        Lemmy doesn’t have karma for a reason :)

        PS, it might be best etiquette to strike out your text like this so people understand that what you were saying was incorrect (2 of the ~ symbol on either side)

      • MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com
        31·
        2 天前

        But that’s not what it looks like to you. It’s what you remembered it looking like. If it looked like that to you, you’d have a completely different experience of discord than anyone else. I didn’t downvote or anything, but you basically said “you’re wrong”, but they were correct.

        Your comment could potentially have mislead others. People downvoted so it was less likely to be seen. When you noticed the downvotes, you acted like you were getting downvoted for admitting to an oversight. Even now you’re acting like you were just trying to “learn something” and pretending like you were never actually suggesting they were incorrect. It’s ok to just say you were mistaken. You weren’t downvoted for saying you were mistaken, you were downvoted for being wrong and potentially downvoted more for then complaining about downvotes.

        • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
          24·
          2 天前

          But that’s not what it looks like to you. It’s what you remembered it looking like. If it looked like that to you, you’d have a completely different experience of discord than anyone else. I didn’t downvote or anything, but you basically said “you’re wrong”, but they were correct.

          No, I did NOT say that nor did I imply that. It is also pretty fucking arrogant of you to asssume everyone notices and remembers everything. Fuck, I even posted screen shots to show I tried to check to see what I was missing!

          • MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com
            22·
            2 天前

            So you just responded for fun? You thought they were 100% accurate and you posted screenshots just to agree with them?

            I did not assume everyone notices or remembers everything and even if I did how would that even relate to arrogance? I said it’s ok to be mistaken. You seem to be unable to process that. Really, good luck, because it seems like you’re going to continue to have a rough go of it.

      • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world
        720·
        3 天前

        Not sure why you’re being downvoted. Unless I’m missing something it’s just stupid Lemmy hive mind

        • coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafeEnglish
          231·
          3 天前

          Because they’re incorrect. The original message has a yellow tint in the background, which is only present for accounts that get mentioned.

          • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
            37·
            3 天前

            Because they’re incorrect.

            I said:

            That looks like screenshot from any user to me.

            Apparently I’m wrong about what something looks like to me.

            • Zoot@reddthat.com
              83·
              3 天前

              Well what you said wasn’t exactly an opinion, it was an incorrect statement. The yellow border indicates that the person who was pinged took the photo.

            • coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafeEnglish
              2·
              2 天前

              I’ve seen your other comments, and it seems like you’re sour over getting downvoted because you weren’t able to notice a subtle difference that’s not easily obvious.

              Personally, I like to be strict with the downvote button. It’s just something I picked up (and miss) from old Reddit: there used to be a strict culture on the site, which would lead to a high influx of relevant quality content.

              In contrast, I saw a post on !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world yesterday about the theistic breakdown of the American demographic. It was a cool graph, but not a shitpost; yet it had still gained more upvotes than downvotes.

              Ultimately, I don’t think you should worry about it, as these votes matter even less on Lemmy than they do on Reddit.

              • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
                13·
                2 天前

                I’ve seen your other comments, and it seems like you’re sour over getting downvoted because you weren’t able to notice a subtle difference that’s not easily obvious.

                No, I am sour because people can’t fucking read and insert what they think I’m saying instead of responding to what I wrote.

                • coldsideofyourpillow@lemmy.cafeEnglish
                  1·
                  2 天前

                  I didn’t feel the need to say it because @wander1236@sh.itjust.works had already written a reply explaining it. All I could have done was paraphrase their explanation and create unnecessary cruft.

          • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
            57·
            3 天前

            They are right that the hive mind is stupid for down voting a post that states they don’t see what the other person sees. I still can’t even tell the screenshot in the post has a yellow tint, but take others words for being able to tell the difference.

            • Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world
              44·
              3 天前

              Thank you. I still don’t see the difference, but at least someone explained it after my comment

              • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
                63·
                3 天前

                The highlighting is really hard to see without a contrast from the regular background color, and to be honest I never noticed the bright yellow stripe down the side.

  • phlegmy@sh.itjust.works
    2·
    1 天前

    Guess I’ve been living under a rock or something because I had to look up what 1488 meant.
    I still don’t fully understand though… Is this something that a lot of people recognise as a nazi / white supremacist symbol, or is it more of a niche reference?

    • BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 天前

      They say it to each other as a greeting, usually they just say 88. Another great one is TTMFBBTT, which means they are Aryan Brotherhood members “til the motherfucking body bag toe tag”. Or they say “wood wood”, which is short for either peckerwoods or feather woods, which is a male and female AB member.

      The Klan say KIGY, AKIA, and KLASP.

  • NovaOG@lemm.eeEnglish
    69·
    3 天前

    What do we call a Discord that allows nazis in it? A Nazi Discord.

      • xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        10 小时前

        Nnnooooo god is it really? I fucking despise discord but I have a couple dipshit friend groups that refuse to shift off the platform (hard to argue w/ Xbox integration)… Jfc if that shit goes public its downhill from an already downhill slope 😭 horrendous

  • josefo@leminal.space
    349·
    3 天前

    It has Aryan Soldier in the name and they are worried about 1488 lol, this is a good one.

  • spicystraw@lemmy.world
    161·
    2 天前

    Seriously, I didn’t see the name until after I read the comments. I got totally tricked; good job!