lol welcome to the middle ages
If you can avoid the dark ages, you should probably consider that a win right now…
I hope at least they sack the ones who were approving drugs they knew didn’t work because of big pharma pressure. Would be a silver lining.
those are for sure the ones sticking around
Well after they gut the FDA im sure those people will be gone
Now all drugs from companies who donate to the RNC will automatically be approved instead
With immunity for any other health issues they cause. We’re now living in an Oligarchy.
Somebody is counting his chickens before they’ve hatched.
The brainworms have definitely hatched though
I wouldn’t be surprised though if Trump just ignores him and appoints a drug company lobbyist instead. RFK Jr. forgot Rule #1 when dealing with Trump: get paid up front.
Would be hilarious considering he dropped out just to beg trumo for a spot. He’s pathetic and hope you’re right
Awesome, we are in a situation where I am openly hoping for the corrupt commercial outcome…
Also that he demands absolute loyality but gives none.
He didn’t create the nearly 2 trillion dollar deficit. The government is broke, cuts must be made.
Yeah - it’s the FDA and CDC that are the true money pits in the US government… Let’s eliminate the IRS and EPA while we’re at it - really smash those guardrails and let the altruistic market fix it - that always works…
Ohhh look - we’re cutting taxes for those that need it least again - but that’s responsible spending - it’s all been accumulating for over half a century, so it’s got to start trickling down any day now, guys.
If you stayed home because of Gaza, this is your fault.
60% of white men. 53% of white women.
Remember, the universe for those stats are only voters which account for less than half of the total US population.
Mostly Millennials, GenX, and Boomers as well.
Young people protesting Gaza had almost no influence on this election
No, all the Gen Z incel boys voted for hatred and misogyny.
While they didn’t help, I suspect their numbers were small enough to not matter in the scheme of what happened.
The answer is likely mundane. My guess is overall turnout was lower because things didn’t feel as ‘crisis’ like as 2020. The needle for people barely aware of politics even as they vote stayed at the same place as it was in 2020: Things aren’t great, kick whoever is in office out in hopes the alternative does better. Last time they came out for Biden because Trump was at the wheel. Now they show up for Trump because the president was a democrat.
This segment of the electorate is not particularly politically aware, let alone active, and likely has little to no opinion about the broader world. The relative likelihood of them turning up at all depends on how badly things are going (less likely to show up this time compared to the unprecedented mess of 2020), and to the extent they show up they just vote against whoever is in charge that day.
However, those people are generally quiet, and so we turn our focus instead to the loudest folks proclaiming a refusal to vote for Harris.
If it was close, I would agree. It wasn’t even close by such a huge margin the more mundane factors I think are the only ones big enough to explain things.
It doesn’t matter. A vote that was not cast or cast for anyone other than Harris we warned them and warned them, and they didn’t listen.
If I ever hear someone say “Gen Z will save us” again, I’m going to have some strong words for them. Gen Z is a bunch of knuckle-dragging Neanderthals and they’ll be the death of us.
My guess is overall turnout was lower because things didn’t feel as ‘crisis’ like as 2020.
What an insane take…
This is largely how non voters have responded when asked as far as I’ve seen: “feels like things aren’t broken, I can sit this out”
Its not a take its just the reality we live in.
Every person that says that is now a Nazi sympathizer.
For the politically disengaged? It is an accurate take.
In 2020, you had massive unemployment. People personally were stuck at home with nowhere they could go. Many of them saw a loved one suffer death at the hands of a pandemic, or personally get very sick. That is a direct and visceral experience of “things are bad”. They didn’t need to follow any news, study any charts, read any policy, they knew that their direct subjective experience was bad.
In 2024, things for people are largely normal, but a lot of bills are high. Grading on a curve, this is much further from a personal crisis for most folks. In fact, the grocery bills eased a bit so some people might be seeing a natural ‘light at the end of the tunnel’.
The biggest discused crisis factors in forums like this are only being considered by the politically engaged, and that’s just not most people. Whether it should be or not…
Its definitely a media outreach problem.
Yez, but not in the way you’re thinking. People have been radicalized by misogynists on youtube and tiktok that Russia has paid for. It’s been proven for some of them, and if you think they’re the only ones, you’re living in a fantasy land.
Unfortunately, I think the media has blared the things people should be caring like crazy. Problems remain:
- People only internalize their personal experience, and they only care so much about what they see on the screen.
- To the extent they may care, they also see a counter campaign of folks claiming otherwise, and they don’t really have a good way to casually know which viewpoint to take seriously.
Keep punching left and down. That will really help build the coalition to resist fascism.
I’m not punching left, and I refuse to accept your categorisation of anything short of completely trashing the DNC is not left enough.
The reason I voted for Harris is because I care about the lives of Palestinians. You can try to claim that this isn’t true, but you’re just wrong. And none of your bullshit purity tests will change that.
If you call yourself a progressive, and you stayed home on Tuesday, I want nothing to do with you. There’s my purity test. Fuck right off.
The only thing I said was don’t punch left. I literally said none of the other things you are ranting about, so go bark at someone else.
I didn’t vote for Harris, because… I’m not a US citizen. I would have if I were, if you need to know. I’m sitting here on my side of the border, seeing fascism take over on your side and I’m shocked to see you guys bicker about pointing fingers instead of facing reality and thinking wtf you have to do to survive the next 4 years. It’s as if you don’t really understand what’s about to hit you.
You’re in deep crisis mode. Being mad at Muslims and Stein voters and non-voters is going to be a barrier to building a coalition of resistance. That’s just the plain reality of what strategic organizing will require. Don’t burn bridges with the people you will need in the next 4 years. You hit the iceberg, now is not the time to point fingers about whose fault that it is, it’s time to get to the boats and every one who can help with that is valuable.
The only thing I said was don’t punch left. I literally said none of the other things you are ranting about,
Ok then, what the fuck does “punching left” mean?
Third paragraph of my previous comment:
Being mad at Muslims and Stein voters and non-voters is going to be a barrier to building a coalition of resistance. That’s just the plain reality of what strategic organizing will require. Don’t burn bridges with the people you will need in the next 4 years.
Those people are fundamentally too stupid and too useless to work with.
Good luck, buddy.
The people who stayed home are not the people on the left. The people on the left voted against fascism. The people who stayed home for the election are also going to be useless in an anti-fascism coalition, seeing as they couldn’t be bothered to do the bare minimum.
The coalition to resist fascism should have existed 2 days ago
I feel like you have a misconception about how democracy works. When there’s position that enjoys broad popular support (such as universal health care, or a cessation of the genocide in Gaza), it isn’t on the democrats to take that position so the electorate will vote for them, it’s on the electorate to either change their mind on the issue, or vote for the democrats regardless.
It’s important to internalize this lesson. Next cycle you’ll likely get to practice it with trans rights, if the talking heads on MSNBC who are blaming wokeness for the democrats losing the election are any indication. The idea that politicians and their policies are responsible for losing/winning elections is silly. You’re here for them, not the other way around.
next cycle
Lol
Why is anyone surprised. They said what they were gonna do. They’re now making concrete plans to do the things they said they were gonna do.
I’m gonna fuckin leave.
So, in other words, Trump is going to do exactly what he told us he would do.
Make no mistake, if Trump wants it, his supporters want it. I work with a bunch of morons. The country is in the hands of a cult.
My coworkers support political assassination, concentration camps for LGBT, forced Christianity. If Trump said it, they want it.
I am fully radicalized. Fuck this country.
While being able to say that a majority of voters wanted it this way because they voted for him.
Trump didn’t lie. This was all out there for everyone to see.
Anything else is just denying the reality that a majority of Americans are sheep and don’t know what is good for them.
I don’t like that reality either, but here we are. It’s time for these people to lie in the bed of their own making.
Hold Trump voters and non voters accountable for the consequences of their actions and inaction. It’s the only way forward.
Same justification he will use for a nationwide abortion ban and locking up his political opponents.
Oh for sure - and the nutters will be saying it’s ‘divine mandate’ since he survived those assassination attempts. We ain’t seen shit yet.
I saw that very claim elsewhere today. Something something “god didn’t make him turn his head at just the right moment for him to lose the election.”
Technically, he said he has no knowledge of Project 2025. Fortunately for Republicans, Trump’s team is all over it.
In an apparent attempt to troll their political opponents, MAGA allies gleefully announced the extreme conservative blueprint is ‘on the Trump agenda’
…In an apparent attempt to troll their political opponents…
I’m depressed of this shit
He said Project 2025 was great back in 2022 before the backlash, it isn’t like he is consistent.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-video-project-2025-colossal-mandate/
I missed that. Thanks for the source!
IRS employees better start job hunting.
That sneaky bastard!
His brain worms plan on ensuring antihelmintic drugs do not get advanced.
While RFK Jr is the same worm man, let’s please remember all the cries about drugs being expensive and regulators stifling competition there, and that (from what I’ve read, I’ve never been to US) what can be put into food is already not very well regulated in your country.
Those agencies are problematic. Just like actions aimed at something good may have negative side effects, often outweighing the effect in the intended direction, similarly it is here.
And after typing the previous I’ve read the article and that’s what he’s saying, mentioning Canada as the good example. Unfortunately by analogy this would mean that for drug regulation he’d go the same way, only with his antivaxxer views. Also talking about kids being healthier is cringe.
The agencies are problematic because they generally aren’t allowed or don’t have the budget to properly regulate things. Eliminating departments isn’t going to help anything, and I really don’t think the guy that picks up roadkill for a snack will improve the overall quality of food in the country.
Not sure this is the case with FDA.
We’ll see. Roadkill for snack is fine when meat’s cooked correctly, unless it’s a roadkill near Chernobyl.
But it’s understandable not to trust the guy who had part of his brain eaten by a parasite to cook meat correctly.
It’s important to know that both the FDA and the USDA are in charge of inspecting food, and which food is covered by which agency can be complicated.
FSIS [under the USDA] conducts continuous daily inspections of foods in its domain, whereas FDA inspections have no regular schedule. The FDA is more likely to inspect only after a tip about a possible food safety violation, so random inspections can occur up to 10 years apart or, in rare cases, not at all.
“It’s not that they don’t want to inspect more, they just don’t have the funding,” Raymond says.
This inspection imbalance means that pepperoni pizza, because it contains meat, has ingredients that will be inspected three times before the product hits the grocery store freezer: at the slaughterhouse, the packing plant and the pizza factory. A vegetarian pizza produced at the same facility, however, will probably not undergo any inspection.
And in regard to the FDA being not allowed to regulate:
[The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994] placed the burden of proof concerning dietary supplement safety on FDA, requiring the agency to show that a dietary supplement ingredient is adulterated rather than requiring the manufacturer to prove a supplement is safe prior to marketing. This is in contrast to new food additives, which require submission of safety information in a food additive petition prior to marketing, or drugs, which generally require submission of safety data as part of a new drug application prior to marketing.
At least with dietary supplements, they can’t make a new product guarantee it’s safe, the FDA needs to already know something is dangerous before it can force a recall.
If you’d prefer to learn more through a comedian, John Oliver covered this topic a while back https://youtu.be/Za45bT41sXg
There’s a serious problem where the majority of grocery market supplements do not contain the substances they claim to contain. There is no monitoring.
OK, will watch
A lot of people are going to die because of this conspiracy theorist.
I think of someone very close to me who takes mediation for depression, medication that RFK thinks is bullshit, and medication that is regulated by the FDA.
She got a bad batch of something from a generic supplier and became dangerously suicidal. We were able to report this to the FDA and send them the medication so people wouldn’t die.
I can’t see how less staffing is going to make things better. We need more people on the ground so inspections are more regular and so deadly manufacturing problems are caught early.
You just need to reference their last playbook: less data means it’s not happening, like covid.
I can’t see how less staffing is going to make things better.
Oh it makes things better alright. Better for the drug companies who now don’t have to deal with pesky things like “safety” and “consequences for killing people”.
Or “overhead”, to use a technical term.
They’ll blame democrats and win even more votes.
Not only are a lot of people going to die, the EU is going to be on some “bad” list very soon, because free travel and any kind of “free” shipping won’t be possible anymore - and I’d say even some Asian, African and maybe even Australia are going to follow that, heck, maybe even Canada. Although I’m not sure if Canada is able to actually do that…
Huh? What context is this list set up in? I don’t really see how it relates to the medication issue.
Vaccines and medications help in stopping the spread of diseases. If the rest of the world can’t make sure the US plays after international rules, they can’t let anyone or anything from the US in
Oooh yeah good point. I didn’t make that connection
The whole presidency is alarming… Please find a bit that it is not?
Given his age, there is a non-zero chance that he may die while in the presidency?
JD Vance isn’t exactly a charismatic individual (some might even go so far as call him ‘weird’); so this entire neo-fascist movement may very well fragment and flounder in the not too distant future.
I’m actually way more afraid of Vance in the presidency than Trump.
Why is that? He lacks the cult of personality to be able to carry on after Trump IMO, and was largely picked as a ‘Yes Man’.
If he dies before they are able to really get the structural changes in P2025 off the ground, Trump’s death will likely instigate the death of the movement. If it dies after that the P2025 restructuring has happened, won’t matter.
Probably because he’s smarter.
No doubt he’s smart, he hitched his wagon to the Trump train after all - but I don’t think that’s particularly important.
He doesn’t have Trump’s charisma, so he’d struggle to maintain control over his fan base and would likely face challenges from key faces in the cohort (eg. Ron DeSantis, MTG etc.)
This is basically my reasoning as well, he will most likely be eaten alive by the true believers and power brokers will break him over knee. All of Vance’s influence is derived from Trump. And especially if Trunp dies before inauguration he may very well become irrelevant depending on certain factors.
Nah, let’s all take a good honest look at what’s happening and start preparing for it.
In not alarming news…Maybe the annual tradition of pardoning a turkey will remain largely unchanged
Assuming Trump is the turkey in this instance.
The Supreme Court will surely block….ummm
Remember to thank all the dipshits that supported diaper donnie and his insanity. Remind them that: “YOU did this.”
Biden got 81M votes, Harris 67. Where are the missing 15M people? Where were they?
Probably complaining about Gaza or some shit lmao. What are you trying to say here?
Democrats sounded the alarms and 15 million people, idk, pressed the snooze button.
They won’t hear about the bad things, or they’ll be told it was the Democrats that did it, and they’ll be believe it. Convincing MAGA of reality is pointless while they’re still feeding from the trough of conservative shit. We’re better off protesting and being disruptive in combination with getting our shit together for next round, where hopefully we’ll have real primaries and get our first competent general election candidate since Obama.
We’re better off protesting and being disruptive
I guess that depends. The fascists are practically itching to call out the military to put down anything perceived as violent.
True, but that’s not new. George Floyd, Occupy Wall Street, Seattle WTO, and the entirety of the civil rights movement all were met with state violence. The more they crack down, the more necessary it is to protest it.
I’m saying this time may be far, far different.
And the ones who didn’t vote.
Saying you are going to gut the CDC after a pandemic is peak shooting yourself in the face to spite the neighbors.
Sadly that didn’t affect trump voters when Trump kneecapped the pandemic response teams (including the CDC) before covid.
He gutted the Federal Pandemic Response Team in 2018.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/
He then took deliberate steps to inhibit pandemic response in 2020.
Dismantling the CDC and HHS is absolutely to be expected.
I would have figured losing 1-2 million Republicans would have helped in voting, but my Mexican neighbors decided they like Trump. Guess I’ll report them to ICE. The leopards must feed.
It’s handy when the trash takes itself out, isn’t it.
It would’ve been, but I don’t know why you’re saying that now because it clearly didn’t. We decided to fucking wallow in it instead.
If they voted then they aren’t illegally here?
Won’t mater to Trump
It doesn’t work like that.
If they voted, then they’re citizens. Reporting citizens to ICE won’t do anything.
The Haitians were here legally and he campaigned on kicking them out. And if you think the supreme court is about to defend any monitory’s rights you haven’t been paying attention. He’s gone on record saying it’s okay if they screw up a few times deporting people
Sure, but that doesn’t change the fact that ICE can’t deport citizens.
Our newly Republican controlled Congress, however, can legislate denaturalization.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C4-1-5-1/ALDE_00013170/
On top of them just sounding like a total psycho. It’s interesting watching liberals become what they hate so quickly lol
Guess I’ll report them to ICE.
How is that going to help anything? That just makes you an asshole.
They literally asked for it though?
Voted for it in droves.
Just giving them what they wanted.
Don’t start none won’t be none
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And do you think there will be a single Republican willing to do anything about it?
Mark my words, they will vote 100% in lockstep every single time. And if what Trump is doing is illegal (like that matters anyway), they’ll just write legislation to make it legal. Not a single one of them is going to even think about criticizing him, out of fear of either violence, political suicide, or both.
The government will be crammed with unqualified hacks from top to bottom. The corruption will be open and blatant.
And every single Republican senator will vote to confirm. Every single time.
RFK in charge of healthcare. Musk in charge of spending. Aileen cannon is either getting the AG job or a Supreme Court seat. Whichever one she doesn’t get, Alina Hobba gets. Steve Bannon gets pardoned and gets communications director. Alex Jones is probably going to crawl out from whatever rock he crawled under too.
They’ll all get jobs. The Senate will confirm them all. And far-right conspiracy theories will become official US policy.
There is a ray of hope. Historically when the GOP gets power, infighting flares up.
Trump himself has been shown to be quite malleable in the face of hollow flattery, without much in the way of things he actually cares about doing specifically, apart from whatever inflates his ego. Those different camps have had a long time to meditate on how people have manipulated Trump and are likely to be better at manipulating him Putin style.
So while they all may have decided they must be in line with Trump, they may work toward changing what policies that means. So even as they must be behind Trump, that may narrow the fixed outcome to just proclaiming Trump the most awesome president ever, with policy related stuff a bit more malleable.
I would have preferred not to risk this scenario, but for now I’m choosing to hope that there’s a more mundane path forward that avoids permanent damage to the political structure, despite this very risky situation.
Jones hasn’t crawled under any rocks, he’s been going strong even with a billion dollar judgement against him and filing for bankruptcy. Infowars is being auctioned off in a week so it might be bought by someone who will just keep him exactly where he is, but he’s been openly setting up a backup business and directing people to it, which he’s said ON AIR he’ll just fold into the existing business if all goes well. His dad has a completely independent supplement company and he’s got completely unaffiliated mates selling his merch.
The only reason he’s less prominent now is because the politicians and the mainstream media in the US are so fucking unhinged that he’s struggling to stay relevant in his niche.
Alex Jones is probably going to crawl out from whatever rock he crawled under too.
White House Press Secretary Alex Jones is an Onion article that writes itself, 3 times a week
There may be one or two, but as soon as they imprison or execute one (my bet is that it will be Kinzinger), they’ll all fall in line. Or mysteriously vanish.
I hate how you right you are.
I always imagined him as the guy at the end of Road House where Patrick Swayze ripped his throat out and round-housed him into the pond. But he survived, left the redneckville and turns out half of his vocal cords was left intact.
