Special counsel can present ‘substantial’ new evidence against Trump in January 6 case, judge rules - eviltoast
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Special counsel Jack Smith this week will be allowed to file hundreds of pages of legal arguments and evidence gathered in the 2020 election subversion and January 6 US Capitol attack criminal case against former President Donald Trump, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.

"The brief due Thursday (9/26) – which is expected to exceed 200 pages, including exhibits, and is meant to convince courts Trump should be prosecuted for alleged obstruction and conspiracy criminal activity — is a rare avenue for evidence to be aired in court before a trial.

Chutkan of the DC District Court, in a six-page opinion, said she would allow such an outsized briefing because the Supreme Court, in its recent decision to give Trump’s actions while president immunity from prosecution, has directed her as the trial judge to look closely at facts in the case to decide if some allegations could move forward to trial."

  • Zexks@lemmy.world
    71·
    2 months ago

    I love how she tied it to the immunity defense. “Oh because you’re only immune in these specific instances. We’re going to review every single tiny last minutia of detail to see if you’re really immune or not.”

  • AtomicHotSauce@lemmy.worldEnglish
    776·
    2 months ago

    I wish I had any hope that this will lead to him rotting in a cell but, alas, it’ll be a nothingburger like every other action against him. We live in an alternate universe now.

    • The Pantser@lemmy.world
      211·
      2 months ago

      But he’s losing and not the Republicans golden boy anymore. Maybe he’s finally weakened enough to Finish Him!

    • frezik@midwest.social
      161·
      2 months ago

      If you follow court cases, this kind of time is normal. The other actions are not nothingburgers, not at all.

      Take the Sarah Palin email hack. Happened in Sept 2008, they zero in on him almost immediately, and he’s charged in Oct. The trial doesn’t even happen until April 2010, and then sentenced that November. That was a relatively straightforward case against a nobody.

      Or Kevin Mitnick, who was arrested for computer hacking in Feb 1995, charged in 1998, and pleads guilty in 1999.

      If Trump doesn’t win the election, he’s fucked. Only death will keep him out of jail. If he wins, it’s still quite possible Merchan sentences him to jail (on state charges that quite clearly have nothing where he can claim immunity), and then things will be a little too interesting. What happens when a state sentences someone who is the President-elect? I’m a curious person by nature, but lets leave that question unanswered if we can avoid it.

    • danc4498@lemmy.worldEnglish
      101·
      2 months ago

      Justice will not happen. But at least details will be aired one more time and a spotlight on how dangerous he is will shine shortly before the election.

      • ripcord@lemmy.world
        4·
        2 months ago

        Extremely sadly, if those details mattered anymore, we wouldn’t even have been talking about this guy in 2016 for more than a month or two.

        I guess there’s a chance if something bad enough comes out. And I guess there’s value in stuff being fresh in peoples’ minds.

    • Artyom@lemm.ee
      1·
      2 months ago

      Especially this close to the election. Even if he is proven guilty in a cri.final court with overwhelming evidence, to convict him before the election would cause gun-toting riots. He would need to be replaced with only a few months to spare, and a more neutral candidate would be called in who might actually win the election, and still follow through with all the project 2025 insanity.

      He’s already immune, unless this case takes a few more months to sort out…

  • EmpireInDecay@lemmy.mlEnglish
    2226·
    2 months ago

    Everybody knows that this will go absolutely nowhere despite what everyone wants to think. Trump is in the club, and the duopoly will never charge one of their own.

      • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
        71·
        2 months ago

        When you’ve convinced yourself of “muh both sides” everything that happens just further confirms it. Like if Trump were to end up behind bars. . .do you think this poster would all of a sudden realize that both sides are not the same? Nope. They would just convince themselves that Trump was actually an outsider. . .and then probably pretend that they maintained this position the whole time.

        • stoly@lemmy.world
          4·
          2 months ago

          Exactly. What they are really saying is that neither party particularly addresses the needs that THEY personally care for. They can’t see how one is toxic towards minorities while the other offers lukewarm support, as just one example.

          • barsquid@lemmy.world
            11·
            2 months ago

            Neither side is implementing state capitalism with hundreds of billionaires, so of course lemmy.ml finds them both equally distasteful.

    • MimicJar@lemmy.world
      11·
      2 months ago

      Trump has spent his entire life trying to get into “the club”. The specific “club” he was trying to get into was the Hollywood one for many years. The Apprentice got him close, but the “reality TV” club isn’t quite the same as the “Hollywood club”. Luckily, for Trump, it was enough to get him into the political club. I’m still not quite sure how, but it was. How it got him into the presidential club is even further baffling, but he did that too. Don’t get me wrong, I understand how he got elected. But I don’t understand how he survived the primaries. (I mean I do, but I’m just sad about it.)

      But Trump, assuming he loses the upcoming election, is on his way out.

      You’re probably right that he’ll never be in jail. He’ll never serve a day in prison. But he’ll be in court. He’ll be in court until the day he dies. It’s not perfect. It’s not what he deserves. But it’s what’ll happen, and I’ll take that.

      • Zexks@lemmy.world
        91·
        2 months ago

        There was an article around here a few days ago about the creation of the Apprentice. And it basically all came from that. Without that show trump likely would have disappeared forgotten to history or lost to Russian debtors. This all started there with those producers.

        • MimicJar@lemmy.world
          6·
          2 months ago

          I’m guessing https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/14/business/donald-trump-apprentice.html

          and overall I agree.

          I’ve never watched The Apprentice. Not because I’m “too cool” for it or anything. I remember watching the first season of two of Survivor. It was a fun enough show, but eventually I just got bored of it. I know I’m somewhat in the minority as reality TV really took off. Tons of reality TV exists today for a wide variety of shows and there are tons of success.

          However I look at many of the folks (older adults) who are Trump supporters now and I’m confident they got their start watching him on The Apprentice.

        • Maeve@kbin.earth
          44·
          2 months ago

          And those are people who should be prosecuted, and they won’t be, because they’re in the club.

          • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            2 months ago

            Wait, are you arguing that the people who put Trump on a reality are only avoiding criminal prosecution because they are in some club?

      • EmpireInDecay@lemmy.mlEnglish
        29·
        2 months ago

        After the election all the talk of trump being charged will fade away like yesterday’s news. Much the way all the Republican talk of Hunter Biden fizzled to nothing after Biden backed out.

        Had Hillary never pushed her piped piper strategy he would have never been elected. Over $1b in free advertising did that

    • OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee
      101·
      2 months ago

      He was found guilty of 37 felonies. Pretty hard to keep the “it’s a conspiracy they’ll never find him guilty” point when “they” (the justice system) already did.

      • EatATaco@lemm.eeEnglish
        82·
        2 months ago

        Yeah but I sold myself on both sides being the same side and I’ve been pushing it so hard for so long that I’m absolutely married to the idea and no amount of evidence will convince me otherwise.

        • ripcord@lemmy.world
          71·
          2 months ago

          Theater is absolutely the wrong word.

          Ineffective due to corruption? Maybe. But people are genuinely chasing these prosecutions with the intent of justice; it’s not just “for show”