Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron - eviltoast
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    The MBA dickheads took Microsoft over years ago. Engineers used to have some input on features and design, but those days are long gone. I know the term enshittification has been overused, but it applies double to Microsoft.

    Tools like ShutUp10 (which works on Windows 11) are the only reason I can bear to use their bloated horrible OS for my job.

    Office 365 pissed me off so much I only use LibreOffice now (and it’s excellent).

    We should all be using Linux, but some folks (like me) are trapped for now.

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      Fuck Libre Office and Open Office.

      I really hate the, “we should all use Linux” mentality and I see it on here a lot. Let me tell someone who barely knows how to send a fucking file over the internet how to fix their broken repository that decided to randomly break during an Linux upgrade.

      Linux and Windows do different things in different ways that make sense in both ways for different reasons. Not everyone should hate Windows or vice versa, Linux, because this entire Lemmy community thinks it is superior in every way.

      I get pissed off by office as well but you know what it has some pretty damn good features. It works in the cloud it’s easy to sync across my decides.

      Windows updates break things but at least MS and Windows has a massive catalogue of fixes and ways to go back.

      I love Linux but holy mother of fucking God it is an absolute pain in the ass to fix when it breaks and you expect me to tell my Mom to understand that.

      No, we should not all be using Linux because Linux does not work for all models needing to be met. I hate to be that aggressive asshole but Jesus Christ I keep seeing this on Lemmy and it’s just a god damn stupid fucking statement. Oh and for fucks sake. If I see, “what kind of Linux system are you using that breaks.” Dammit, I have literally seen Linux break in the middle of a college classroom demonstration of just installing it and wouldn’t you know it just like Windows it isn’t perfect. Get off your high horse people. You don’t know something more than the average person because you use Linux or Windows or hell even Unix.

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        People who “barely knows how to send a fucking file over the internet” can’t fix shit on Windows either. I spent a lot more time fixing my mom’s Windows install than her Ubuntu.

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          I spent a lot more time fixing my mom’s Windows install than her Ubuntu.

          Small anecdote, roughly in the same line as yours:

          As W7 was close to end of life, I asked my mum about it, as her laptop used W7. And after highlighting the privacy nightmare that W10 became, she decided to try Linux out. So I installed Mint in her machine. At the start she asked for help often, but the amount of “pls help” decreased over time. The last time that she asked for help was because she wanted to access “her computer” from her phone, just like I do with mine. (i.e. local network.)

          My neighbours though? I often get some spare change from them, by helping them out with their Windows machines. And they’re in the same level of tech expertise as my mum, you know, those folks who can download and install a program and not much else.

          So I believe that it reached a point where, in certain aspects, Linux is actually easier to use and maintain than Windows. Linux is still full of rough corners, unintuitive design and stupid shit, but at least it doesn’t get on your way on purpose because it benefits some business out there.

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            Linux Mint really impressed me when I decided to try it in a VM earlier this year (was already using fedora in VMs for build environments on a Windows company machine). It installs quickly, runs smoothly, and the updates have been painless.

            I like having a terminal open constantly, and learning about technical workings and power user features I may not have known about. However, for non-techie "email and web browsing” use, I would put it in front of my parents no problem. Right out of the box it even looks a bit like windows (cinnamon version, didn’t try others). It even has an “app store” like experience with the software package manager.

            If a power user has trouble because they’re used to configuring windows, they can probably learn how to do those settings on a user-friendly Linux distro.

            That does not mean it would work for everybody, and that does not mean it won’t break in frustrating ways. It was programmed by humans, after all.

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        I’m not gonna comment on the Linux portion because you seem quite passionate, but both Libre Office and Open Office are cross platform apps. So they’ll work just fine with your OneDrive / Dropbox / Backblaze / whatever to give you the wonderful fully cloud synced experience on either Windows or Linux.

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        Linux is just the kernel and infinitely superior to anything Microsoft has ever produced by itself. Stability and usability issues arise from the distribution that is being used, there are many that are tailored for the average consumer and that are just as simple to use as Windows. People like to forget it, but Android also uses the Linux kernel and is the most successful operating system in the world, with the amount of installed instances dwarfing the amount of Microsoft Windows installations.

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        Windows randomly decided to break for me many more times than Ubuntu did for my parents. Every time a sudden new update is pushed on the background, stalling anything I would be doing to a halt, it’s a roll of the dice if it will still function properly when it’s done.

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          Sure, and how easy was it to fix those issues?

          Usually it is nothing more than either reversing an update or waiting for the next update in Windows.

          While in Linux you’d have to re-import the correct repositories through command line and it might still not work, explain that to your parents.

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            How easy? Not at all. I’ve had to format the whole computer several times that reversing updates failed. At which point using Linux wouldn’t have been any harder.

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            Poke about in registry, Google problems where the solutions are for the wrong version of windows, wade through driver problems, find that the issue is in a toggle that used to be easy to find in control panel but now is buried under layers of crap

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            Usually it is nothing more than either reversing an update or waiting for the next update in Windows.

            …Waiting with a non-functional computer until the next update?.. Really?..

            While in Linux you’d have to re-import the correct repositories through command line and it might still not work, explain that to your parents.

            Why would a non-technical person ever need to use 3rd-party repos? Besides that, “reimporting” a repo is just adding 3-5 lines of text to a file, which can be done via gEdit, or, in most cases, through the settings in a distro’s package manager UI.

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        Yeah … No. Ubuntu is way more stable for me than win10. And much lazier to use. This argument was true ten years ago but Ubuntu and friends are really just install and click browser just like most people use Chromebooks

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        Yep… Moving to Lemmy it’s quite surprising how much of an echo chamber the Linux group has on here.

        It’s a good OS, but being honest Windows is likely better for almost everyone as it’s a lot simpler to understand with good support. Don’t have to worry about comparability as much or other things either.

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          It’s such an echo chamber that you’ve gotten a number of downvotes just for providing your perspective here

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            Honestly, I’ve noticed that really only select communities really ever moved from reddit to Lemmy and it’s full of people who are sucking their own dick on superiority complex.

            A lot of this stuff (Linux requiring command line and root knowledge and Lemmy needing multiple instances to shuffle through) is just absolutely going to keep people, that I struggle to explain a URL to, from using any of this stuff.

            I get that they like the privacy and the control and all that of this but telling people to just get good and use this stuff is like a basketball star being confused when you say you struggle to get a point because you should just run up and dunk it. Missing some steps and skills.

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        What broken repository yiu talking about? My mum used Linux for over 10 years and she never saw Windows in her life. Email, YouTube, eBay… Never a problem. I can’t even imagine leaving her with Windows.

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      if I didn’t work in IT and I didn’t play certain video games and I didn’t need certain recording software I would be 100% Linux it kind of pisses me off that I can’t be 100%.

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        That was a whole lot of “If I didn’t just” statements xD

        Still, VMs and containers and such. Could still do it if you wanted.

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          Proton is revolutionary but it still isn’t a solution for every game. And that’s not even getting into the lack of support Nvidia gives to anything Linux.

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            I mean I’ve yet to come across a game that is unsupported on my Steam Deck. For all intents and purposes, gaming on Linux is the real deal.

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              The main issue comes when the game is using proprietary stuff. Like I found getting Kingdom Hearts to run at all was a pain in the arse because of it using a proprietary codec for it’s cutscenes.

              I also found Hand of Fate 2 had some weird rendering issues with certain graphics settings.

              And if you want to do Ray tracing or HDR you’re currently out of luck.

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      I just recently updated shutup10 because of another annoyance of windows and was surprised that it didn’t solve my problem right away. Even with shutup10 it’s barely bearable.

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        I don’t use either if those and I’m not having this “barely bearable” experience. What do you guys see that is bothering you so much? I don’t get any ads or crap installed when I setup a new PC. Is it because I’m using Win Enterprise?

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          Same experience as I. For now W11 has been smooth sailing. Sure I like using my Linux notebook more for coding and such, but W11 is not the devil people describe IMO

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          Right. Buy products that is not only expensive to buy, but also expensive to repair. Pass…

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            And you are forced to give up system control, and choice of software

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              You will even have to give up compatible software because Apple deemed it “too old”

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          Before I will even think about buying a Mac I will buy a Framework laptop and install debian.
          And I don’t even use Linux outside of a home server.

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          far beyond the close competition in both quality and performance

          It’s true that Apple continues to be the king of build quality. And while they do currently hold the performance per watt crown, there are plenty of laptops that beat the M2 when it comes to raw performance, especially if you throw in a dGPU. And of course, none of this matters if the device doesn’t run the software you want, which is what I suspect most people on Lemmy have issue with.

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          Yeah, I remember XP and Seven as solid OSes where everything just worked.

          Now it’s a mix of crap, hey this app is in night mode, this one isn’t! Want to change a parameter? Ha ha you can’t! You want to share a folder? Good luck!

          And it’s heuristics/analysis just because Windows is inherently insecure drags any pc down to a crawl…

          And publicity??!

          Aurgh

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            Windows 7 was peak Windows. They smoothed out all the problems of Vista (plus hardware caught up to the recommended specs) and all the new tech that Vista introduced matured a bit. Was one of the nicest looking operating systems they ever released too - though that is highly subjective.

            Everything after has introduced some form of garbage in it’s iteration. Windows 8 had a garbage tablet interface that sucked when used with keyboard/mouse. Like the majority of devices that it was installed on. Windows 10 rolled back some of those shit changes but was the version Microsoft started implementing their adware. Windows 11 took it to 11 and put in a bunch of hardware requirements that conveniently required you to dump some money into Intel hardware.

            Been running Linux for last six months and it is crazy how much better it runs. It isn’t as cumbersome to use as the old days… But every once in a while I run into something that requires Googling and tweaking in Terminal. It’s been my best experience with the OS though going back to WAY back (Mandrake and Slackware days - or are they still around? Early 2000’s maybe???)

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            Why cs3 when krita would have more features and be free? Familiarity?

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              Because I’m used to it I guess, and I haven’t found a single app that handles pixels and transparency well.

              Like zoom in like crazy, update 1 pixel, save, transparency is still there.

              Haven’t looked for a bunch of years though, maybe it’s time to try again :-)

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                Krita’s always done transparency just fine for me. It’s pretty good these days. There’s also a built in option to set your keyboard shortcuts to the same ones that Photoshop uses.

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                Yeah, I try never to underestimate the value of sheer familiarity. New software is like breaking in a new pair of leather shoes, sometimes you have to bleed a little before your feet adapt and you adjust it to fit.

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        Its kinda why chrome os works. Majority of people only need the browser, and if you need basic office suite, google has their own cloud options.

        Its when you have specific use cases when you HAVE to use a certain os over another (e.g gaming with anti cheat, AI/ML and engineering software is usually windows foward, adobe stability on OSX. A lot of backend and server applications on linux)

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      I have a friend who runs MacOS too. She bought it used and it’s a desktop so it isn’t impossible to repair.

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    ITT: folks who think Linux is too complicated or whatever, but are perfectly willing to jump through endless hoops to work around some of Windows’ deliberate hostility.

    The Stockholm syndrome is real.

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        I’ve reinstalled both Linux and Windows on the same machine a few weeks ago and it was considerably easier and faster to install Linux. It also had less problems post-install too.

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          Installing Linux is incredibly fast and easy, yeah. It’s everything you try to do after that. Unless you are a regular user and have commands memorized you need to open a browser and go look them up every time you need to do some basic shit. I’ve been using Linux off and on since 2008 and you just cannot say with a straight face that it is easier than windows.

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            I’m a developer, so I find it easier because dependency management is easier (especially if you have a good package manager, arch btw). WSL is improving but is still not enough for my needs (big projects that use usb are not well supported).

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            Opening up a browser to look up commands to copy and paste is a lot easier than looking up registry fixes and mimicking screenshots into GUIs. I fix Windows for a living and the crazy shit I see daily blows my mind. It seems like in Windows I’m doing the same thing multiple times until it (hopefully) works but in Linux the problem is easier to identify and fix.

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      folks who think Linux is too complicated or whatever

      At one point this was true, but that was many years ago.

      Unfortunately, that reputation has kind of stuck.

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        The barriers are still too steep. My Ubuntu machine updated it’s kernel and then refused to boot after that. I had to look up how to manually lock the old working kernel.

        Windows has never completely broken itself on an update for me.

        If that happened to my parents they’d be angrily driving to the shop to get another cheap windows laptop.

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          Funny, I switched to Ubuntu because my brand new laptop was continually bricking with Windows 10, specifically due to Windows Update.

          Roundabouts the time period of the forced Windows 10 update I had a desktop and laptop BOTH completely break, booting only to a black screen on startup, having received somewhere around half of an update I had no say in.

          I’d like to think they’ve learned their lesson. I’d like to think I could safely leave a windows computer on overnight without waking up to a surprise new version, or bricked PC. But even having that as an outside possibility is enough to turn me off windows entirely.

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          We have a phrase for a bricked windows install: it’s called the Blue Screen of Death. It’s not like Windows never gets fucked either.

          I’ve personally never had such an issue upgrading Linux.

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            The BSoD isn’t always a bricked Windows machine, it’s often just an OS crash that causes you to restart the system.

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      Microsoft only hurts me when I’m being a bitch. Its my fault. He’s normally really nice.

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      : folks who think Linux is too complicated or whatever, but are perfectly willing to jump through endless hoops to work around some of Windows’ deliberate hostility.

      Man I realised this when I found myself running a third party program just to get my audio to simultaneously play out of multiple outputs on windows. I had regular issues with games and my killer ethernet adapter (they’re notoriously bad, but after switching to linux didn’t have any issues). Reformatting for home was getting longer and longer. Start menu search started to become slow and bogged down. Windows store was a nightmare. It was a constant battle to remove all the advertising and tracking “features”. I game, but mostly a PC for me is a tool. When a tool stops doing its job, it gets replaced.

      Funnily, when I play games with my friends, I rarely have issues… but as soon as I do, they they’re pretty quick to jump down my throat about my OS of choice.

      EDIT: WSL is pretty nice though, I use it on my work box.

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        I think Windows makes multiple audio input/output hard as a piracy measure and it drives me crazy as well. Perfectly good audio ruined the moment I plug my mic in. Makes it harder to game without a headset.

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      I feel like I get closer and closer every day, but video games still keep me anchored down

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          In the holy GNU scripture, we predict the second coming of Proton who will one day return to vanquish the evil Electron.

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            sure, Steam workshop works even identical
            otherwise the game data paths are different

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              Steam workshop works even identical otherwise the game data paths are different

              So if I understand this correctly:

              The games files inside the game folder are the same, therefore when you apply/load a mod into the gamefolder it works the same correct?

              If thats the case, this is the straw that makes me migrate to Linux. I currently have AMD CPU and GPU (because fuck nvidia, even if AMD is not that much better) and from my understanding they should have good drivers in Linux

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                the biggest difference to Windows gaming is that for Windows games on Linux played via Proton every game gets its own Proton/Wine prefix (basically a windows folder structure)
                ifyou want to use mod manager you need to run them inside the game specific proton prefix

                Steam Tinker Launcher simplify this process

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                Yeah modding is basically the same assuming you don’t have to use some kind of installer for them then it would be a bit more complicated, however I’d imagine using wine would solve that for the most part (haven’t installed mods through an installer on Linux so can’t speak much on that)

                And also you might need to learn where Linux stores those game files but you can always just use steam to directly open the game folder

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                  Basically all is fine, but Vortex etc might have some trouble. I was looking also about GOG (got some of my best games in there), but it seems that Wine is doing fine. CP2077 loses around 10% perf/5FPS, but is a price Im willing to pay just to shove it in the ass to microsoft

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      I use Linux full time since 2020, and have known it since 2013~, but I don’t ever recommend it to anyone. It’s full of papercuts.

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      I actually like to be able to play games on my gaming PC so no thanks, I will stay with windows

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        That’s wholly your prerogative, but I just wanted to chime in and say - I was firmly in this camp too, but I’ve been restricted to a shitty second PC as I don’t have access to my usual rig at the moment. Decided it was the time to give Linux a shot after 4-5 years since last time. Every game I’ve tried has worked with 0 mucking around, outside of games I’m obtaining through uh, less ethical means, which don’t just install straight through Steam.

        I know it’s only anecdotal and I’m not saying you have to change if you’ve got no reason to, but gaming isn’t really the reason it used to be for not using Linux. Unless you only play competitive shooters with Anti-Cheat that doesn’t work on Linux.

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    Downgraded my new desktop computer from Win11 to Win10 this weekend. Still considering if I shouldn’t just go back to Linux now that Valve has made gaming on Linux viable…

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        Worst case scenario, you could always set up a dual boot situation if there are just one or two games you play that aren’t supported. That’s what I’ll probably end up doing on my main rig eventually since the only game I’d really miss that’s not supported is ESO.

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            Oh I thought I read somewhere that it’s not. Well, this is good news for me!

            When I have time, I’ll try it just to be sure.

            I don’t own the Steam version, not sure if that matters.

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          Dual boot doesn’t work anymore with win11, it requires secure boot to be enabled, so the grub boot loader won’t work. Idk if anyone has found a work around though.

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            This is patently false and misleading. Windows 11 does NOT require secure boot to be activated, given that my computer is currently working right now with it off. Dualbooting Fedora and Win11 perfectly fine, update doesn’t affect GRUB at all, and it just works. Windows is already shit enough that you don’t need to be spreading any false info.

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        It’s working pretty well on my steam deck for me but not without a few bugs. Nothing game breaking though. (I also had some different bugs on windows 10 so not sure how much is platform specific)

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      I want to switch to gaming on linux so bad. Just a few weeks ago I ran into a sudden issue where any source game I launched in windows would crash my graphics driver, totally unrecoverable without restarting the PC (even shift+ctrl+win+b did nothing) and on some restarts I found myself being forced to boot on integrated graphics and fully reinstall drivers. Total shitshow, started while I was midgame and came out of nowhere, couldn’t figure anything out.

      I finally gave up and installed mint, got steam set up and downloading, started moving over some my backed up files… only to find out that a thing I’d ordered to make my VR headset wireless wasn’t going to have Linux drivers. I was gonna have to dual boot windows at the very least. And I’ve had other experiences where Windows updates have broken Grub and forced me to do reinstalls as well, so…

      The day can’t come fast enough where companies just build stuff for Linux. The Windows UI gets worse with every release, and it’s really not as bug-free as people seem to think, it just has market share and companies tend to build for it by default. Completely self-fulfilling prophecy.

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        I was gonna have to dual boot windows at the very least. And I’ve had other experiences where Windows updates have broken Grub and forced me to do reinstalls as well, so…

        You didn’t have to reinstall. You just have to boot from a live USB and then run like three commands to fix it. But yes, that is indeed unironically more work to figure out and safely do.

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    When choosing the region/language, choose “English (World)”. Boom, bloatware be gone.

    You can safely change it to your correct region once you’ve logged in (Note: the Windows Store won’t work until you do).

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      Are there laws in England that prevent bloatware?? That sounds like an EU thing, not an English thing. I would think the England install might be even more bloated than the US one.

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        Europe has “N” versions of windows that do not have media codecs, and a few basic applications installed (e.g basic video player)

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          Wish I knew about this a month ago when I installed Windows on an older machine that definitely doesn’t need anything but basic stuff.

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            Sorry about my shitty wording, none of the thr basic stuff is installed, its basically a version of windows that assumes you are going to install your own version of most basic apps. Basically a media player, (both video and music), voice recording, skype and such are NOT installed.

            If youre on a device that needs no major feature updates except security ones, thats ehat the LTSB build is for. Getting one legally is difficult, however…

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              Yeah, I got that. That would have been perfect for my garage computer. A low spec machine that would just be hooked up to my CNC. I don’t need voice recording, media player and stuff like that. Bare bones would be perfect for that machine both in SSD space saved and (I assume) aslightly faster since the hardware is a few years old now.

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        We have English (United Kingdom) as a localised install.

        Not any more bloated then English (US) but if this English (World) install is even cleaner as Andi says, I’ll start using that instead for fresh installs.

        Nice Tip.

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        Because the paid-for “bloat” is per region. If you don’t define the region… taps side of forehead

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    Been using Windows since XP, watched it get worse with every iteration while getting a shiny new exterior. Was finally forced from Windows 7 to Windows 10 a few years ago and the day Windows tries to foist 11 on me is the day I go fully down the Linux rabbit hole.

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      I’ve used Windows since 3.1. I thought XP was such a great advancement. I feel like 7 is overall better than XP, but not an all out improvement. 10 is worse than 7, but they’re forcing 7 out. I hate 11. I want to by a new PC, and 11 is the biggest thing holding me back. Could I buy it and install something else? Sure, but I don’t want to pay for this terrible program.

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        Getting “professional” versions and installing them has generally been the way to work around Windows bullshit. I haven’t gone to 11 yet, and the vibe I get from folks is that there is no escaping it. But folks have been saying that about Windows forever.

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          I have used professional versions of 10 through work, and they are better, but they still have a bunch of junk. I hear that Windows 11 is worse in this regard. It also still doesn’t fix the problem of encouraging MS to do these things. I’m not looking to build a PC, so I’d be buying something that comes preloaded with a consumer version, then need to buy a pro version, and now I’ve bought this crap twice, greatly rewarding MS for their poor practices.

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        System76 can sell you a computer with PopOS or Ubuntu installed straight from the factory!

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          I looked into this and didn’t find quite what I wanted, but it did lead me into a whole world of small computer assemblers I didn’t know about.

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      People don’t like to believe it but this shit started back in 95/98 or even earlier. It’s kinda what Microsoft has always done.

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      Lucky you. I got told by our IT that I’m going to be their windows 11 sacrificial lamb and will be getting it before everyone else to bang out the quirks. It doesn’t pay to be known as the office nerd :(

      My elderly father’s win 10 computer has been absolutely shoving the upgrade down his throat, and I’m about ready to give in and just do it. Telling it to stop notifying him does no good, it just comes right back the next day. Then he won’t touch the computer because the full screen upgrade ad freaks him out and he’s afraid something is wrong. Screw Microsoft.

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        Switched my nearly 70yo mother to Mint and she’s actually pretty happy with it. If she can do it, anybody can

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          He’s a good bit older than that and has cancer, and is not able to sit at a computer long enough to learn a new operating system even if he wanted to. Which he really, really doesn’t lol. He hates the thing with the fire of a thousand burning suns and only used it for his necessaries.

          I’m also not familiar with any other operating system besides windows, outside of a brief foray into pi-hole years ago that I don’t remember much about, so I’d have to learn it first. While I’d love to start playing around with Linux some day, unfortunately that day isn’t going to be any time soon.

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      I refuse to update my laptop

      Is it your laptop, or is it their laptop? If it’s yours, you have every right to request that they issue a corporate laptop if they need you to use Windows 11 to do your job. Otherwise, it’s time to grow up - it’s not like they’re forcing you to commit an OSHA violation.

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    I remember when I first installed Linux. I thought it was broken because it was so clean and distraction free.

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      I thought it was broken when I told it to poweroff and suddenly it just died. Nope, apparently that’s just how linux normally shuts down.

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    My laptop upgraded to Windows 11. It broke the headphone jack and built in speakers. The computer just doesn’t detect them anymore. O⁠_⁠o

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      @electriccars

      @thehatfox

      Windows 11 would CONSTANTLY turn off my headphones microphone at a hardware level. Running the “recording audio” troubleshooter was the only way to fix. Probably the only thing that windows troubleshooter fixed for me in 25 years.

      Linux Mint worked out the box never going back. Feel bad for people who need Adobe.

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      I’ve had this happen too, multiple times. It’s a pain in the ass to fix, and I have no idea where to start. I know you can force block driver updates for your speakers through windows update somewhere, that prevents this thing from happening again.

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      I just reinstalled Windows after not having a computer for a long time. I’m glad I just happened across this beforehand because it was the best.

      Everyone should use this to some extent, even just to disable tracking

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    God, I hate reinstalling Windows. Whenever I see “Try reinstalling Windows” as a serious solution to some tech problem on the Windows forums I feel so irritated because to get everything back to how it was (*hopefully *minus the issue) is basically a half day to full day undertaking because of all the bloat and annoying settings I have to change.

    Linux never annoyed me as much as long as I put my home directory on a separate partition, though to be fair, I didn’t use it as much and was never quite as balls deep in custom settings and apps as with Windows due to Windows being a requirement for work.

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    The last version of Windows I used (and loved) was Windows 2000. It was rock solid and came with nothing but the basics. The install ISO was only 300 MB. 500 MB after service packs were merged. Almost pefect.