Who tf thought I’d ever want to edit a spreadsheet in a chat application anyway?
Don’t get me started. Monthly scorecards that are mandated to be distributed via Teams, but you can’t embed files in that sheet, otherwise Teams shits the bed.
Also, who would ever want to adjust volume levels for individual speakers? Every huddle is fucking torture.
Yet, I can’t point/draw on the screen somebody shares (at least on Mac)
Or share only part of my screen. Very annoying since I only have a 5k2 ultrawide and a 4k in portrait. Regardless of which one I share, no one can read it. I have to switch the entire screen to some crappy low resolution so others can see what I’m doing.
Such a basic feature.
On KDE Plasma there’s an effect to zoom in the whole screen on your cursor (it may be windows-plus and windows-minus or you may need to set it yourself). I believe Windows has something similar as well as an accessibility feature. I should think that would work when screensharing.
If only that would be the worst. Someone over at M$ had the glorious idea to set up a different admin center for every fucking thing. Sometimes they interconnect, sometimes you can edit user in several admin centers, some things you can only edit in a particular one. You’re searching for specific settings over and over. And if that dumpster fire of bullshittery isn’t enough they randomly change the naming of everything or the position of menus without any apparent reason. So the knowledge you gained where certain settings goes to waste and you have to start all over again. Damn you Microsoft. If I’ll ever find out who’s responsible for that shit I’ll cut your head off and shit down your neck.
Edit: Just take a look at msportals.io to see how bad it has gotten. For my daily business I need several of M365 and Azure IT Admin portals. I hate it. I fucking hate it.
You forgot about the few random settings that can only be changed with powershell for some reason!
Then they change how you use powershell
If that’s not shit enough, they also keep renaming and completely overhauling those portals again and again.
The only admin portal I’ve encountered that is more circular used to be Duo. That seems to have improved since, but I used to spend 40m trying to find an essential section and looping through links without getting there.
all that different from Discord? – people trying to use a proprietary chatroom for everything from support to wiki to knowledge base to documentation …
I can hate two things at once. You act like it’s hard.
Using Teams always reminds me that Microsoft bought Skype for billions, ruined it and developed a shifty replacement.
A small subset of people seem to be really good at driving companies into the ground. It’s like a special skill
I just want to find whomever decided to write teams in electron, and punch them straight in their genitals.
Seriously, fuck that app.
What’s wrong with Electron?
My problem isn’t so much with electron, it’s more with teams being run on electron. Out of all of the office (or related) applications, as far as I’m aware, teams is the only electron app, and it’s the only one with the kind of problems it gets.
I can run Outlook or Excel for months and nothing goes wrong. The other day, I ran teams for more than 24 straight hours (not doing anything other than chatting, and the occasional maybe 30m video meeting, or 15 minute call), and when I joined a video meeting, it ran like complete garbage. It was choppy and jittery. Just really bad. The fix was to close teams and reopen it.
That’s why I don’t like electron. It’s the only ms office related app that uses electron that I know of, and it’s also the only one that I know of which needs regular maintenance (by shutting it down, and starting it up again) in order to function correctly.
Haha, funny. But I actually know the lead developer behind Teams.
It’s Microsoft Copilot.
We should have killed Clippy in the 00s
Clippy kept the real madness at bay. Without his presence we are lost.
Makes sense
I haaaate Teams. Worst thing ever to happen to workplace productivity. And (unless this has been fixed since I retired) chat history isn’t persistent past 6 months so you lose your proof of what was discussed, unlike email.
Chat history is forever by default and has been for years so far as I know, anything else is a company policy. People don’t appreciate how much control their company has over the experience.
unlike email
Yeah, that’s unfortunately a thing, too. It’s the one size fits all solution to data protection and security. Made by people who like to make their own life easier, no matter the cost to everyone else. The GDPR does not allow us to store personal data indefinitely without reason, so let’s automatically delete every email without exception, no matter if it is still for an ongoing project or not.
The chat history is the big one for me. It’s not even that it’s not persistent; I’d be fine if it just purged all messages after a set period. The problem is that it seems to selectively purge some messages but keep others. Makes me feel like I’m crazy when I go back and try to find something that I know I sent a while ago, but there’s just a gap.
That’s probably some kind of data policies that your company has put in place. Default teams chat history is forever.
unlike email.
Once worked a job in the financial sector, they enforced all Outlook clients to purge emails 3 months old AND disabled all of outlooks built-in archival tools…
Those bitches didn’t disable VBA though, so I built my own Outlook archival tool all in VBA complete with an sqlite DB and a UI. Ironically, it was more stable and less susceptible to corruption than outlooks own tools lolol
That policy sounds like destruction of evidence before it’s legally considered to be evidence.
Oh it for sure was, a year or 2 before I was hired they got hit with a regulation violation (not sure which anymore, I think it was Reg B) and then a few months after that this outlook policy conveniently came into effect to “minimize impact from a data breach” lmao
A subpoena is a certain kind of data breech if you think about it
I work in cybersecurity. This quote is gold and I’m putting it on our office whiteboard.
To me, this is its biggest flaw. You can’t scroll back in chats very far, but you can search for lines further back. However in a truly spectacular display of uselessness, the search only returns the chat bubble you searched for, with no surrounding context.
oh my god this drives me absolutely nuts when I’m looking for help I received months ago and distinctly remember enough to put into a search bar but can’t go back to the actual conversation… even though it is clearly saved somewhere since it still comes up in search!!!
my proverbial non existent children, will not be having any sort of relations with anybody who develops cringe and unfunny closed sourced software, no sir, not in my household.
My organization has all of our shared folders INSIDE of the Teams file structure. Supposedly, One Drive should sync with the files inside of Teams, but this never happens. Instead we have people constantly asking for files that are in the shared folders, but because they aren’t manually syncing every time they open the folder, they aren’t seeing shit. Its so goddamm frustrating, but my boss is insistent on keeping everything inside the one app for “convenience”.
THERE’S NOTHING CONVENIENT ABOUT TEAMS AHHHH
I don’t even know man. I used to click a teams link and teams would pop up. Now a splash screen for “new” teams comes up and none of my programmable mouse shortcuts work and it seems like sometimes it launches through a browser, other times it doesn’t. I have personal and two work accounts which makes things complex too.
Edit; oh, and if I click on teams icon it says do you want to use “new teams” or “classic teams”? If I click on classic a brief screen pops up and in small print it says classic teams died in March of 2023 - Rip. Then the whole app just shuts down. It feels very amateur.
I genuinely would love an opportunity to scream at the people who decided to release new versions of teams and outlook.
I have yet to find anything at all better about “new” Outlook. The fact that I can’t scroll through my calendar anymore is maddening.
May they step on a Lego barefooted in the middle of the night.
Honestly, I think that anyone who is this angry about Microsoft products needs to spend some time working with the types of industrial software that makes the manufacturing world go round. Just to get some perspective on what truly God awful software actually looks like.
If software gets worse than teams, I’d find a new industry
Honestly though, its not the developers fault. 100% they are being told what to prioritize working on, and I’m certain its exclusively business facing improvements. Microsoft only cares about making the package of features they provide look sexy to the people who would be pulling the trigger on bringing Teams to their office, not the people who actually have to use it.
Sadly this is just the way capitalism works, short term thinking, sacrifice the product for the sales, and then 5 years down the road wonder where it all went wrong; or monopolize the market and pay congress to pull the ladder up behind you.
Old man: “So my daughter says you are tech guy?”
Young man: “I am tech guy for thing you don’t like”
Old man: “I am going to kill you now.”
-this image macro and all future permutations transcribed simultaneously by lemming-to-normie translation AI
I once worked for an organization that maintained a 10+ year old single excel file with no discernable backups for regulatory data.
The bar is low.
I once got called in to diagnose why it took 5 minutes to open up a single Excel file. The PC itself was a little dated and underpowered, but the file size was huuuge…like hundreds of MB.
It finally opened. There was ugly table-formatting…to the entire spreadsheet. Colored cell borders, alternating background fill, text and font formatting applied to every single cell; columns A-IV and rows 1-65,536. I pointed that out and said the only way to fix is start a new one and not apply the formatting, or to try and remove it from all the cells. She outright refused because she liked the way it was. So I left, and she went back to looking at pictures of her cats
I had a client as of a couple of years ago with a custom fronted software build on top of an access mdb database running on windows 98 continuously since 2000. They had been backing it up onto a 18 year old 1GB flash drive every night for years. Their interest was exactly zero in upgrading to anything newer.
They probably had an advanced distributed snapshot backup system. Where any and all employees that used the file in the last 10 years had a version of it saved from a point in time–potentially even on their personal machines or as email attachments to their personal emails.
Close. Each employee had a tab.
Why has Teams for GNU/Linux been discontinued, you bastard?
(yes, there’s an unofficial client thankfully)
(which you’re not allowed to use, depending on company policy)
isn’t it literally just a wrapper around the browser version? don’t see how browser usage might be allowed but not this
Surprisingly, I can’t get my webcam to work on Teams from FF or Chromium but it just works on this wrapper.
Microsoft has become really effective at developing malware like Windows, edge, teams, etc and selling it to corporations to spy on employees and contractors
