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Literally, every time Musk says anything in your own field (mine are UX design and programming), you immediately realise he’s a dumbass who knows nothing about anything and is literally bullshitting his way to the top, paraphrasing smarter people without understanding what he’s saying, and just declaring himself a genius.
Thankfully I learnt this very early because he bullshitted about my field pretty early on. Everyone seems to get there eventually, the more industries he claims expertise in.
Ain’t it most of the billionaires? They just know how to tell big lies so that they can earn more money.
When questioned about Twitter, he didn’t even know the difference between front-end and back-end on coding. He has done code before at Ebay (it was all re-written by others before deployment), but he should know that and yet it is completely lost on him.
I’m not convinced he coded at eBay. I think he did some markup, which was not coding. That feels like code to someone who doesn’t know what coding is.
that’s like me saying “you know I do a little coding myself” and the entirety of my experience is setting up a Geocities page in html in the 90s, setting my xanga background picture and music, and aliasing a few bash commands and setting up an update script.
tbf everyone at work thinks I’m a tech god because I spend 2 minutes clicking around menu options before calling IT and I wear glasses
Yeah that tracks. I didn’t pay that much attention to the details on that.
Elon has never been an engineer, so let’s set the record straight. He has nothing to do with the quality of Teslas. Any moron who thinks Elon is a good engineer, when he has zero engineering experience nor, to my knowledge any engineering education, immediately loses all respect in my eyes.
No no no, he is an engineer, designer, CEO of three companies, CTO of a company, father of 14, avid computer gamer, ketamine addict, Nazi aficionado, and Zombie Twitter poster extraordinaire with the sickest memes in the galaxy!
Don’t get jealous because he works at least 70 hours a day. You just wished you could be that productive. /s
Musk was never any sort of engineer. He was just the one with daddy’s money there to take credit for the work of better people.
I think the cybertruck is the only thing hes ever had a involvement in creating. and you see how well that went.
everything else he just bought, kicked the original owners out, and gag ordered them, so he can take all the credit.
There is a very clear line you can see in their cars between the stuff that had the founders Eberhard and Tarpenning working on it, and the stuff that Musk as had a hand in. The original Roadster, and the S/Y/3/X range are all based on the original design and engineering team. Then you see the Musk lineup, Cybertruck, Semi, Cybertaxi, “Flying”-Roaster.
The desperation is starting to become very apparent, just waiting for the final merge between Tesla and Space X and to have the entire company renamed X.
Elon Musk is not an engineer. You’d think an academic would be able to grasp this
When he rose to fame he was portrayed as an engineer genius, and EVERYONE lied about it. It’s not strange people believed it. It’s not normal for this to happen.
I’d argue that rich people being touted as genius in subjects they know very little about and perform fairly poorly at historically until they throw enough money at it and surround themselves with actual experts is actually the norm.
No, most do not pretend to be engineers
All of the public ones do try to pretend to be super smart scientists and engineers and health experts. Like, Bill Gates likes to pretend that he’s super interested in physics and that he wishes he could do more to contribute to the field, but that Epstein-associating childfucker is a fucking billionaire. He could literally hire the world’s leading physics experts and teachers to train himself in physics. He could become a fucking expert so fucking easily, but, to be fair, he’s probably too busy with child rapists to bother.
Every billionaire you see in the news tries to look like a genius instead of the lucky heartless monsters they actually are because they love being idolized instead of doing real fucking work.
They are sociopaths and that is obvious, but Elon the sly fuck pretended that his social ineptitude was because he was a genius engineer, and it was what everyone was instructed to say about him. If anything, a scientist has less time to research random celebrities. It’s not about intelligence. It’s not like a barrier that prevents deception like in the movies.
And Teslas are NOT well engineered cars.
And if you allow him to “engineer” a car, you end up with the Cyberstuck.
I don’t know, he has engineered one of the most amazing financial grifts I have ever seen.
Fundamentally, he should have been broke several times over now but somehow he manage to form and merge a few hundred companies over the course of 20 years in just the right way that it makes him still walk free. It cannot last forever but it has lasted WAY longer than it should have.
His first mistake was thinking musk was a good engineer.
The only thing musk has ever done was buy or steal tech. He’s never had an original thought in his life.
Only cool thing he ever did was insist that the spacex engineers figure out to land vertically like ye olde sci fi rockets
Yes he has and they’re not gonna build them anymore
Fun fact: Musk isn’t an engineer at all.
Engineering qualifications are pretty specific, and usually the term shouldn’t be used loosely if those qualifications aren’t there. Musk’s education ended at the Baccalaureate level, but crucially in Physics and Economics. He pushes himself as some kind of engineering mastermind, but it’s hard to pin down why.
Contrary to popular belief, he also is not a founder of Tesla.
Technically he is founder of Tesla though. He just didn’t found it.
For some reason, in the US you can buy the title of “founder of X”. He just bought if from the actual founders.
I mean, he found out that there was a company called Tesla and then became CEO…
That would make him the finder of Tesla. And to be honest, that’s all anyone should refer to him as.
He discovered it! That puts him on a level with Columbus!
You mean in the way that Columbus of course did not “discover” America (people had been living there for (tens of?) thousands of years, he was just the first white dude who started murdering the people living there)?
Yeah. The Wiki offers the more sane answer.
To be fair, Engineer isn’t a protected title in the U.S.
A Professional Engineer is, but I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone claim Musk is a P.E.
Titles ending on engineer is so bloated, basically anything within IT is an engineer. A support level 1 engineer. A software engineer. A Quality Assurance engineer. And the list goes on, historical reason being corporate pay bands being based on titles, hence engineers were offered better pay
Prompt Engineer is driving me insane.
Sandwich engineer
I can get behind this.
They’ll be calling themselves prompt artistes next.
Fair
he is a engineer of ketamine usage,
I was at Queen’s U doing engineering physics when he was there doing theoretical physics. We weren’t the same year, but crossed paths a few times. At the time, struggling students would flip flop back and forth between the two degrees because the engineers needed more courses, but only need a 50% to pass a course while the science degree needed 60%. So some people would flip to take the shortest path to a degree. I don’t know if Elon was like that, but he might have gone through most of the engineering program. From what I hear, working with him is hell as he has to be right and any challenge to an idea can easily get you fired. So everyone has to just go along with every shit thing he comes up with. The annoying thing is that he seems to get stuff done somehow - the advancements of EVs and low orbit satellite comms and reusable rockets can’t be denied even though he is clearly deranged and a horrible person.
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Well, this academic still has enough respect for Elon to pay him for a blue checkmark…
I honestly think saying that Tesla’s are good cars is glazing him too much to be honest. They’re basically the iPhone of cars. That’s not an endorsement by the way that’s condemnation I fucking hate iphones. The best thing that Elon musk could be argued to have done is to make people realize that EVS are viable.
You’re totally allowed to hate iPhones (I’m not arguing otherwise), but iPhone hardware is way better built than Tesla cars. I don’t think it’s fair to compare the two quality-of-build-wise.
I’m mostly thinking of the atrocious repair ecosystem.
That’s fair, but again Apple seems to be getting better and Tesla worse.
He’s also not an engineer.
To be fair i never said he was.
iPhones don’t trap you in a fiery death without door handles lol.
But he did that by bribing himself into being called a founder of an electric car company that already existed and already had the plan for initial growth before his arrival.
His main contribution to EV adoption is a negative one; the years delay the rollout of tesla’s dowmarket models because of his insistence the doors of the model X must open upwards.
Ok, these are the only two good points to Musk;s name.
Yes, he did do a decent job of kick starting EV’s again even if it was by crushing down the founders for narcissistic reasons.
Secondly, he did generally tend to have a decent eye for enabling some design details (pre-cyber truck era). He did at least push them to move car design a little further on the original few models, you know the ones that actually sell decent numbers.
Beyond that, there isn’t much good to his name.
Apple makes phones for people who hate technology but are forced to have a smartphone in the modern era.
Don’t forget sheep
That too lol
Funny, though, that this issue with cooling problems is a long known issue in all things space. This should be obvious to anyone who has seen the cooling fans (infrared radiator plates) of the ISS. And they try to be very, wery careful with creating waste heat.
Maybe Elon should ask someone who actually knows something about space instead of an AI. I mean, this guy has a f-ing company that sends rockets into space. Someone there must be capable to do an ELI5 on that topic, so even Elon can understand it.
He doesn’t want to understand it. He wants to break through it and some sleazy and/or desperate engineers are telling him everything he wants to hear. They understand that it’s impossible but they also understand that if they don’t cater to his fragile ego they’ll be looking for a new job and no job will ever pay more.
Elon legitimately believes that nothing is impossible because his entire life he’s been able to pay other people to fix his problems for him and he can’t handle the idea that he’s not the most special important smartest boy.
Unfortunately for him, ambition is all well and good but we obey the laws of physics in this universe.
The funny thing is I’m pretty sure he could have achieved a lot more with the space stuff if he wasn’t so deadset on grandstanding and picking up irrelevant bullshit.
Exactly, he actually kind of was heading in the right direction but when you end up mentally stuck at age 12 it will never be enouh.
So, you know how a good thermos keeps its contents hot or cold, depending on what you put in it?
You know the trick they use to do that? They use a vacuum.
Heat can be passively transferred using convection, conduction and radiation. Convection requires the movement of fluid, there’s no fluid in a vacuum so that can’t happen. Conduction requires that one vibrating molecule causes another adjacent molecule to vibrate. Again, not possible in a vacuum because there are no molecules to transfer that vibration. That leaves radiation.
(In a thermos it’s not quite that simple. A thermos isn’t floating in space, the outside needs to connect to the inside somehow, so even though there’s a big vacuum bottle, the heat gets transferred through the parts that aren’t in a vacuum.)
Radiation is possible in a vacuum, it’s just really inefficient. People used to see radiation transfer in a vacuum all the time: incandescent light bulbs. They’re much more rare these days. But, in that case a filament was heated up so much that it glowed white hot. To reduce the heat transfer, that white hot filament was put in a vacuum – the bulb of the light bulb. If you ever touched one, you know they got hot. But, the filament was 2500 celsius, and the bulb itself was maybe slightly over 100C. That shows how inefficient radiation is. Even with something that’s thousands of degrees, it only heated the glass of the bulb from say 20C to 120C.
So, it’s hard to dump heat in space. The only thing that works is radiation, and radiation is much less effective when things are not glowing white hot. In addition, anything in space is getting heated up by the sun. So, not only do you need to dump any heat the device produces itself, it also needs to dump any heat it’s receiving from the sun.
What are two of the main things that datacenters need? Power and cooling. The need for power is famous because it’s driving up electricity costs. The need for cooling is well known because of all the water being used.
To meet the power needs, a datacenter would need massive solar panels to collect as much sunlight as possible. The solar panels on the ISS provide about 30kW of power. A small datacenter (and I mean small), uses 1 MW. So, for one small DC you’d need 30x the number of solar panels as on the ISS. If you’re talking a conventional pre-AI datacenter, it’s more like 100MW, so you’d need 3000x the number of solar panels as on the ISS.
Solar panels create electricity from sunlight, but by design they have to be facing the sun, which means they get heated up too. So, before you even turn on a computer in the DC, you have to find a way to dump all that heat that the solar panels are creating. Then, let’s say you want to actually turn on the computers in the DC. On earth can be cooled by dumping water on something hot and letting water evaporate. That’s really easy to do, and really cheap. You just move the heat from the computers into the water and it goes into the sky. But, in space, there’s no sky to evaporate into, and no source of water. So, you need radiative cooling. Now, just imagine how much radiative cooling you’d need to match the performance of a simple “dump water on it” cooling system.
tl;dr: The idea of datacenters in space is ludicrous. Even someone as stupid as Musk knows that. But, investors are dumber than Musk – or at least investors think that there are other investors that dumb, so they won’t get stuck with the shares if they need to sell them. Musk needs the belief that datacenters in space to be possible or his shares all crash in value.
You know he only has a bachelors degree… supposedly two from the same year. And both are suspicious. From University of Pennsylvania. Same university that trump has his from.
Bachelors in economics. And physics.
And he claimed he graduated in year. 1995. But no degree could be shown for like 10 years. And then when one finally surfaced in 2009, which magically was needed for a legal litigation , it had a different year on it. 1997.
The people he was in that legal battle with said he dropped out of college in 1995. Never finished his economics degree. Never studied physics.
It also wasn’t a graduate level degree like he claimed.
It’s highly suspicious because now he suddenly has two degrees for the same year. One in economics. And one in physics. 1997. When he was working on PayPal or something else. But had time to finish two degrees!?
The degree copies were made public 2009.after he made a very generous endowment.
Also the supposed bachelors of physics is an arts degree. Which is pretty unusual for a science based degree.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-physics-degree/
Guy is a fraud. Bought two fake degrees.
Wasn’t chair of wharton university of Pen in the Epstein files? Marc Rowan
The same business school Elon got his fake degrees from.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty/2026/02/03/9-more-higher-ed-names-epstein-files
Anywho
He’s not even an engineer. He actually didn’t know about vacuum cooling.
Just like I didn’t. Cause I’m also not educated in physics or engineering.
Lots of math degrees are BAs and double degree path is a thing, but yeah a lot of details don’t add up.
Yeah I mean it’s not impossible to have an arts degree in physics. Or two bachelors.
The only people I know with two bachelors got them at different colleges/universities. Or at the very least, usually many years apart.
Most people just have a minor if they are studying two main fields.
It’s also sus he kept saying he has a graduate degree when he only has a 4 year degree. (In the U.S, at least, a graduate degree is a masters or PhD).
And even those two bachelors he has are questionable if he actually earned them. Or even one of them.
Even if he has a legitimate bachelors degree in physics. That level is just learning foundations. Not conducting research. Not developing anything new.
anything in space is getting heated up by the sun
Just keep it on the dark side of the moon, duh.
There is actually a spot, the L2 Lagrange point, where something can orbit in a way where it’s balanced from the sun’s gravity and the earth’s gravity, and as as a result anything orbiting there will continuously be in the earth’s shadow.
That’s where they put the James Webb space telescope, because being in the Earth’s shadow means it can avoid interference by the sun and stay super cold, allowing it to take amazing readings of distant things.
Unfortunately, if you’re out where the sun doesn’t shine, your solar panels don’t work very well, and for something as hungry as a datacenter, that’s a problem.
How does earth cool? Through radiation. If the data centers stay on earth, earth will heat up. At some point there will be so many data centers that earth cannot take more heat.
The sun is continuously delivering 173 petawatts (PW) of energy to the earth, the biggest planned datacenter will have a capacity of about 1 GW, or 0.000001 PW.
The heat created through datacenters, and all other human activity combined, is minuscule compared to the incoming heat delivered by the sun. The reason climate change is an issue isn’t that humans are doing things that generate heat, it’s that by dumping CO2 into the atmosphere we’re preventing the earth from being able to effectively radiate that heat back into space.
The amount of heat the earth normally radiates is roughly equal to the amount of heat the sun delivers. But, CO2 and other greenhouse gases are preventing the heat from radiating into space. Instead it gets trapped in the atmosphere, so the planet warms up.
AI will take what it gets. Have 100 million of the 1G datacenters and earth is heated by two suns. If earth should not boil, far less data centers are possible on earth, which only leaves space for more computation power.
Ok, once we get to 90 million 1GW datacenters we should start worrying. Currently we’re approaching 1.
If you just keep adding data centers they will get too hot to stay functioning though, also there’s such a thing as thermal equilibrium and heat transfer through radiation increases as the thermal gradient increases. But if you hypothetically could keep building more compute then eventually you’ll reach a point where you can’t keep it cold enough to run and it stops working, I’m not sure what the actual numbers would be like or how much space it would actually take but right now we’re still orders of magnitude away from heating the planet up more than a few degrees. It’s an insane amount of energy to heat up a planet sized object meaningfully.
I mean, yes, but that amount of heat is fairly negligible, especially relative to global warming from fossil fuel emissions.
There is no limit and with robots there can be exponential growth in construction velocity. Almost all available energy, including space solar farms and both nuclear energies, could be used for AI. If the data centers are on earth that will heat earth faster than radiation can cool it.
Mate go educate yourself first before you make an embarrassment out of you
You’re talking about things that have wildly different orders of magnitude as if they were similar.
You’re also ignoring that sending all that material into space is not efficient at all in terms of heat and emissions
Currently we have 240W in and out per square meter and have a 1W surplus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth’s_energy_budget#Earth’s_energy_imbalance_(EEI)
If all oil, coal and gas is burned, the greenhouse effect gets stronger. Earth heats up, more water evaporates, even less radiation reaches space.
Earth has 510 trillion square meters.
One current datacenter needs 100 MW. So 5 million datacenters would add another 1W per square meter. That’s round about the output the nuclear fusion people are calculating. 500,000 1G fusion reactors would be needed instead of 10,000. https://www.iter.org/node/20687/will-fusion-run-out-fuel
That’s not orders of magnitude off.
To put the data centers into space, not everything has to be lifted. If resources from the asteroid belts are used, only the starting materials and tools have to be launched.
Even if it is expensive, if earth cannot radiate more, any additional data center has to be in space.
How far up your ass did you pull up the 5 million datacenters from?
You’re just throwing random terms and numbers around at random thinking that makes you smart.
in trying to defend that we need data centers in space (regardless of its its feasible or not) because of the heat that they would generate on earth, you first ignore the energy (and monetary) cost of sending all of that into orbit and then justify that by saying that it’s feasible if we just do asteroid mining and space construction and assembly. Did I suddenly wake up in 2126 from my nap or what?
If we are that much worried now about earth heating up then maybe it would be more fruitful to think if we need this many data centers and why as well as other types of activities and social classes, before we go wild on wrecking the planet by launching massive constructions in space because we’ve wrecked the planet all so that certain people can add another 1 or 2 zeros to their bank account.
The 5 million doubles our energy surplus that causes global warming. That’s where the number comes from, to understand the proportions.
We will have an arms race between China and the US. For national security, all caution will be thrown into the wind. “it would be more fruitful to think” - people won’t.
Both sides will build as fast as possible, with the help of robots.
Did I suddenly wake up in 2126 from my nap or what?
No, but with AI, progress will arrive faster.
He is the richest guy on earth. He could do anything. Fly his personal airship over the alps. Go scuba-diving at the best spots. Invite the smartest or funniest people on earth for a personal chat. Or he could fund artists. Go jet-skiing in the maledives. Do really cool things. But all he does is spitting insults on Twitter. Which is pathetic
Don’t forget the child porn and the fascism. You never forget the fascism and child porn.
And to be fair to him, that takes up a lot of his time.
well put. he could use his fortunes and companies to move the US away from petroleum, instead builds luxury products. he could use his fortunes and companies to end world hunger and aid the least able to stop displacement from climate change… instead builds AI data centers belching out effluence and swastitrucks and turns twitter into a cess pool while jumping in to CUT aid to entire continents.
he’s the worst of us. at every turn, instead of doing the human thing, he chooses selfish garbage.
anyway thanks for coming to my ted talk, nationalize spaceX!
He could literally end world hunger forever and be remembered as the Jesus of our age for millennia to come. What does he do? Wallow in his own self-pity, trying to gain the respect of pedophiles.
Okay, is the Tesla actually a good car? I know Cyber Trucks are absolute dogshite but what about the others?
Depends on context.
If we’re talking purely car wise they are pretty decent. The build quality is a bit iffy sometimes but the ride experience is decent.
If we’re factoring in price then no. It costs like 40 to 50k USD and even with rebates and ev programs thats way too expensive. Should be closer to 20k to 30k IMO, especially since BYDs would cost around that if they could be sold in the US (probably never happening though)
If we’re including branding baggage of elon then doubly no cause my god that guy is an idiot. He could’ve been the Tony Stark of the tech world back in 2017 or so when everyone thought he was a decent person, but I guess it’s too hard to hide his true colors
From everything I’ve heard, they are mediocre vehicles at best, but I wouldn’t buy one even if they were the best car on the planet, at an affordable price. Musk is a monster, and an existential threat to humankind, and I’m not supporting him in any way.
Pretty much. As a car they are fine, they have some nice touches but overall they are a solid 6 out of 10. Introduce the factor of who you fund by buying them and they become a 0 out of 10 car.
They are pretty good in manufacturing quality terms, but they are too expensive. They are hooked on autonomous driving features which consumers rightfully don’t care about. Outside of diver assistance in highways, they’re gimmicks to show you’re friends once. They also suffer from poor repairability (though they are starting to improve their processes that will help starting in five years or so).
They are pretty good in manufacturing quality terms
My buddy with a Tesla found blue painters tape in place of what was supposed to be a wiring harness.
A “genius” trillionaire’s only retort is name-calling? What a big fat stupid head. /s
Elon Musk isn’t an engineer. He’s a capitalist. (Plays with money)
Musk sounds like a genius to people who are not experts in things Musk talks about.
The worst of Dunning Kruger manifest.
