So does the republican party have a load of sleeper agents in the democratic party that it activates when needed?
Yes, but also there’s plenty of Democrat bigots. A lot of them are “centrist” and/or “moderate.”
Fetterman 2.0 minus the stroke but double the Israel support.
Stevens voice Israel comes to me in my dreams!
At least she’s out of office in 3 months. We have Fetterman for 2 more years in PA.
Seems like a lot of people in power or seeking power are there to make sure Israel continues to get American taxpayer money, endless weapons, legal immunity and the willingness to go to send American troops to die for Israel.
It is odd seeing someone do political self immolation for no reason at all. I’m starting to think Haley isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack.
Do they have something on her? I’ve never seen something like this before.
No. She’s never been the sharpest bulb.
The reason is obvious. She is falling on the sword to save Israel. The last 2 years may have done irreparable damage to my view on Israel. I don’t think I will ever vote for a candidate who takes aipac money or supports Israel for the rest of my life.
She appears to have united the party.
She’s dumber than a 2nd coat of paint.
Good on them for taking a stand and following their conscience here. Anyone still working for her should be black listed from future Democrat campaigns and positions.
Can’t believe Stevens decided she wanted to go down in history for people to point at when they say some Democrats would rather lose elections than win by having a leftist, anti-Zionist win. Absolutely crazy she just went full mask off there.
I don’t see any way this is a politically coherent move for her. She just burnt her bridges with Leftist Democrats and corporate Democrats. She doesn’t have the look to be a talking head on conservative media. Michigan has early voting and many have already voted. It’s not like Republicans will respect her, but they use her for the moment.
I’ve seen some mentions of her Republican fiance effecting her, but she is a congressmen and has agency and ownership of her own endorsements. I am wondering if her mental stability is all there because I’m confused by her lack of coherency.
I don’t see any way this is a politically coherent move for her.
By choosing to run for Senate, she isn’t running for re-election in the House. So she’s out in January either way. She’s taking the AIPAC money she’s been getting for years already, and almost surely a lobbying position in exchange for trying to sabotage El-Sayed.
I don’t see any way this is a politically coherent move for her.
The writing is on the wall. AIPAC is forever toxic for anyone with even a tiny amount of critical thinking skills. That only leaves the GOP and Zionist owned cable news shows as viable paid options.
Its the wrong move politically but the right move for AIPAC and that is all that matters for Mrs Israel comes with to me in my dreams.
Agreed.
Tactically, if she wanted him to lose she should’ve just stuck to what she was doing, which was supporting him in words while undermining and maintaining plausible deniability. Then if he loses, you can lament that there was just no saving a flawed candidate.
Now if he wins, she’s a loser twice over, and if he loses it’s a phyric victory: she’s the villain who lost Democrats the seat, and instead of proving his politics can’t win in a swing state, the story is just that he got stabbed in the back by an ally.
republicans masquerading as democrats. she isn’t the first.
Not corporate Dems. They will swing towards the money any which way it comes.
Schumer already said it was despicable. He is about as corporate dem as it gets. I would definitely say she burned those bridges.
He will bend back the AIPAC direction the moment people stop looking. Haley will be welcomed back as prodigal daughter the moment she is endorsed by them.
I don’t trust corporate dems anymore. They will literally give a peer permission to tank mildly progressive efforts and then performatively pretend to be upset by it.
They are better than the fucking Nazis on the other side of the aisle but the Democratic leadership are showing themselves to be just as disingenuous.
I wonder what Jeffries thoughts are. Schumer has taken about 500k from aipac while Jeffries has taken over 1.5m. My guess is he won’t say the quiet part out loud but I’ve been surprised before.
Work for an ogre. Be surprised you wind up in the swamp.
Don’t do ogres like that. Caramelize then slowly, like onions
She’s AIPACS tool. She calls herself a “nonjewish zionist”. They hate for no reason whatsoever, based on ethnicity.
Wait, she’s not Jewish??
I say this as a Jewish anti-zionist: what the actual fuck?? Like… I grew up indoctrinated into zionism and left when I got old enough to start paying attention to news. So… what’s her damage?
Maybe this sounds silly, but I have a lot of pity for Jewish liberal zionists. It’s a cult. And I’m familiar with Christian Nationalist zionists (also a cult, but different one). I feel sympathy for people operating on childhood brainwashing.
And I kind of get folks like Biden, who probably formed an opinion before '67.
But what’s her fucking deal? I can have grace for people who were born into this or are really old, but she just sounds like she learned that Israel is an apartheid state in college and said, ‘Neato!’
I am so much more disgusted with her now than I was when I assumed that she was a member of the tribe. ULGH.
Apparently her fiancé is Jewish.
The parties reaction to this will be telling. Anything less than expulsion from the party is unacceptable. Her being the neoliberal establishment pick, even if she was clearly defeated. Makes me wonder if they’re just going to try to burn it all down on the way out.
“Congresswoman Stevens is not a current member of the Michigan Democratic Party, nor will she be in the future,” Michigan Democratic Party Chair Curtis Hertel wrote on X Sunday.
Yes, I just read your post down below. Good news is so rare. This is something worth celebrating a little.
I’ve never heard of this woman. Is she still running to maintain her seat in this election?
Haley Stevens is in the House. She did not run for re-election, choosing instead to run for the MI senate seat. She lost that primary to El-Sayed.
She will still be in Congress from now until the new one is seated in January. After that, she has no known job and is not running for anything at the moment.
Thank God.
The DNC is an unfunded joke. There is an insurgent left wing coming up. This has all the makings of a dem civil war. Schumer and Jefferies are both AIPAC funded. I expect absolute and total shenanigans. Democrats will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
The bar is so low that I’m impressed Chuck even condemned it. I hope they at least censure her.
Wait, he did? That’s low key shocking! As someone who likes working with them, its shocking that he spoke out against supporting them. Low bar indeed, but damn.
I imagine that Schumer and Jeffries are upset because it puts the spotlight on them for being publicly disloyal to Democrats that are not owned by AIPAC.
Haley Stevens is too dumb and gave away the game just like the Democratic ghoul James Carville did.
AFAIK parties in America straight up can’t expel their members or otherwise control their membership. It sounds dumb but it’s the only way to make a two-party system even vaguely democratic.
Parties might not be able to purge voters from their membership, but at the very least, the Democratic Caucus can expel members by a 2/3 vote. Straight from their site, rule 1 on page 6 of the pdf they have embedded there. On the face of it, she should no longer be considered a member in good standing, and should be expelled from the Democratic Caucus as a result.
In order to maintain membership in good standing, Members shall not participate in campaign activities for any candidate in a partisan federal election who is not a Member of the Democratic Party.
I kind of figured there had to be a way for parties to prevent just anyone from running under their party, or the Republicans would have ran deliberately terrible candidates as Democrats in races to try and rig things long ago, by this stage.
To your second point: The centrists are already as terrible as they can realistically be and still win primaries (and they usually lose them anyway when progressives get serious), so that niche is already filled. There’s no point in running terrible candidates when they’re either going to lose their primaries or be Chuck Schumer clones.
Eh, I wouldn’t put it past them to run someone and keep handlers on them at all times to win the primary, and then let them loose on their own during the general election, if such a thing were feasible. The one thing I have confidence in the GOP to do, besides line their pockets, is any dirty trick they think they can get away with, no matter how crazy a scheme is involved, if it’ll let them get ahead and cement their own power. Besides, there was a point where those centrists certainly did play better with the general population than anyone even accused of being a socialist not all that long ago, and I don’t think the GOP of the time had much in the way of moral scruples back then, either.
I’m kinda scratching my head over his statement but the party system in the US is weird. States have their own parties.
It IS entirely possible she never registered with the Michigan Party, and was backed by the DNC exclusively. The DNC has way more money and can get candidates to Primary quite easily.
Man I wish I lived in MI just so I could have had the opportunity to vote against this nasty little gremlin in the primary.
She’s leaving her house of Rep seat in January and not going to be in office. Not sure what her next job will be.
I would say Fox News correspondent, but I don’t think she would last more than a month doing that.
Justin German is 100% correct. So, Stevens was another POS Fetterman. Carry on El-Sayed and hopefully you win.
Fetterman got a stroke, that’s completely different
Fetterman was always a racist, zionist piece of shit, we just didn’t want to see it.
Ah mbad, I wasn’t that tapped in back then
Anyone “stunned” by corporate Democrats being DINOs isn’t paying attention.
Exactly. Schumer – the epitome of a corporate Dem – supported Stevens in the primary, and today is calling her flip a “despicable betrayal,” but until today his support for El-Sayed as the Dem candidate has only ever been unenthusiastic at best.
I mean that’s fairly honest from him. He doesn’t like the idea of the party moving left, but he knows it’s better then republicans destroying us all with their gigafascist tilt. Today he also said he was in support of AES, in response to the Stevens situation.
Today he also said he was in support of AES
After Stevens’ open defection he had no choice. If he doesn’t, he gets outed too, because he supported her so strongly in the primary.
Or to put it another way, she put a shiv in El-Sayed’s back, sure, but it could be argued that it was a much bigger shiv in Schumer’s back.
El-Sayed is surrounded by enemies of all kinds who are united in keeping the status quo unchanged. Schumer is not, and willingly brought the weight and power of his own position to help Stevens.
In the end Stevens is just more water off the back of El-Sayed, who is making his own way regardless of all those coming at him, always has, and he was not thrown off his own course in the slightest. On the other hand, Schumer is struggling in a number of ways.
So it begs the question: who bears the greater betrayal? It would have been very odd if Schumer had not vocally supported El-Sayed today. He may well need that favor back in days to come.
Even the dems are sick of her shit - they kicked her out of the party right before she made this endorsement.
Ahh, spiteful bitch syndrome
The state party officials need to expel her from the party. Even if it would only have a symbolic effect they need to make clear that this is unacceptable for anyone who calls themselves a Democrat. If moderates ask progressives to “vote blue no matter who” and then turn around to endorse collaborators then they need to get the boot.
If moderates ask progressives to “vote blue no matter who”
Worth saying that applies to the general only. I’m a progressive and I say: Vote progressive as far as you can. Always vote for the most progressive (or least regressive) candidate. In the general election, that’s gonna be blue over red. In the primary, that’s any progressive candidate. “Blue no matter who” is just expressing the pragmatic general rule of thumb. I haven’t seen any exceptions to that - I’ve never seen a Republican that wasn’t more regressive than an establishment Democrat option.
Thank you, I wish more people understood this.
“Congresswoman Stevens is not a current member of the Michigan Democratic Party, nor will she be in the future,” Michigan Democratic Party Chair Curtis Hertel wrote on X Sunday.
“Senate Democrats are united in our support for Abdul El-Sayed, because we know he will fight for the economic interests of working families in Michigan, unlike Mike Rogers, who is a tool of Donald Trump and billionaire donors,” [Chuck Schumer] said.
For once Schumer is 100% right.
As much as I don’t like Schumer he is as lukewarm as it gets which can be both good and bad. He does actually care about American interests for the most part.
This coming from Schumer is honestly almost as shocking as Stevens choosing to completely burn her bridges with the Democratic Party.
Schumer says whatever toady thing he needs to to keep his job.
My Chinese room theory of politics: I don’t actually care whether anyone truly believes what they say. Words speak louder than thoughts and actions speak louder than words. As long as someone is useful as an implement to enacting progressive policy priorities, successful at shepherding legislation, and campaigns for the election of progressives, or can be strong-armed into doing the above three, I could not care less whether they actually believe in what they say.
At the margin, sincere belief is still better. Which is to say, Schumer should still be replaced with an actual progressive/leftist/socialist at the earliest opportunity, regardless of how he tries to pivot to act like one. I’ll appreciate the cynical pivot in the interim, but that’s as far as it goes.
Already removed her from the Michigan Democratic leader website, too.
What OP said, but also parties in America don’t get to control their membership. Anyone can run as a candidate of any party if they can win the primary.
Quick bit of pedantry - they dont get to control state registration, which is not the same as membership in the local party.
I thought this felt familiar and now I remember why. In the NYC mayor race, one Democratic candidate, Jessica Ramos, had the endorsement of the Working Families Party, but since she was struggling to gain traction she ended up endorsing Cuomo with the hopes of gaining a role in his potential administration. Everyone was equally shocked then and WFP immediately revoked their endorsement of her.
Clearly the person we all knew she was.
also bodes well for El Seyed being the man we hope he is
Haley, “Karen” Stevens
I hope they read her the riot act.
