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13 Fridays the 13th
Jason would unionize if he had that many hours of work to do
If the first was Monday as he describes, every 12th would be a Friday. There would be exactly zero Fridays on the 13th of any month.
Every 13th would only be Friday if the first was on Sunday.
Oh shit you’re right.
Then I think Jason should look into universal basic income cuz he’s about to be out of his job.
The first should be a Sunday. Then we can align with Stardew Valley time.
Stardew Valley starts on a Monday as well, no?
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Holy shit that slapped so hard. Was not prepared.
Now I need to have an L A N, L A N, L A N it’s an L A N party
That’s… old
New Year’s Day. The next day is Monday. And every four years there is a second New Year’s Day
This.
And also, it should still be 12 months, just 4 months (December, January, June and July) should have 5 weeks while the other months have 4 weeks.
The last weeks of December and June and the first weeks of January and July then form a special kind of “half months”, where you get a half month salary and pay a half month rent, etc. Christmas and New Years nicely fit in the Jan/Dec two week holiday, which would be 15 days instead of 14.
In a leap year, the June/July half month would be 15 days instead of 14
This way each season/quarter is still equal to 3 months with 13 weeks. And a half year is 6 months with 26 weeks.
Someone mentioned seasonal regression, this solution should solve that.
And the irony of this all… This is very close to how our current calendar started before Caesars fucked it up.
And also, it should still be 12 months, just 4 months (December, January, June and July) should have 5 weeks while the other months have 4 weeks
But they you still have irregularities. Easier to just add Undecimber to the calendar.
You would then lose the ability to divide the year into pieces, since 13 is prime.
No half-yearly, quarterly or bi-monthly rhythm.
Our quarters don’t follow the actual half anyway, with the solstice and equinox not matching up with the months.
The divide is easy, and can be marked on the calendar like a holiday.
- 3 months and a week
- 6 months and two weeks
- 9 months and three weeks
- New years (or day before or after, take your pick)
Much more convenient than making the whole calendar inconsistent.
Those divisions are already skewed in a 12 month calendar though because the number of days is not similarly divisible:
Half year (6 months) 1st half: 181 days (182 for leap years) 2nd half: 184 days
Quarter year (3 months) 1st quarter: 90 days (91 for leap years) 2nd quarter: 91 days 3rd quarter: 92 days 4th quarter: 92 days
A leap year has 366 days which is evenly divisible by 2 and yet even then a “half year” at the monthly level doesn’t contain half the days of the year. Having uneven yearly divisions in a 13 month calendar would not be a new problem.
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
Partay!
Just shorten the earth’s path around the sun. Duh!
Intermission
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Every new years day and leap day exists as its own thing outside of any particular month. So every year we get a full new year holiday and about every four years it’s a full blown 2 day event. It doesn’t need to even be a named day of the week or part of a named month. It can just be it’s own thing. We can number it as the 0 month if it makes you feel better and to help sorting dates. If we’re feeling sentimental, maybe we can call it Friday the 13th because those won’t be a thing anymore otherwise.
Also, how to you tell the Moon to ignore it and stay in sync?
Each year, the moon phase would shift one day (and an additional every four years for a leap day), then sync with that day for the next year. That sounds much better than what we have now.
Party like crazy for a few hours and then wake up
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Not a calendarologist, but I’m pretty sure lunar calendars were tried and rejected for a reason. Other than the places that still use them for traditional reasons.
Of course, maybe they just didn’t have the concept of leap days?
It only comes out to 364 days so you’ll still need to handle that 1.25 extra days in a year otherwise it’ll drift. You could just add December 29th as a special day past Saturday, but then you lose sync with the moon, eg.if New moon was on Sunday the first in the previous year, New moon would be on December 29th instead of on Jan 1st the next year and all new moons would be on the 28th.
You can keep your calendar in sync with the moon or the sun but not both.
As someone who has proposed this system myself, I feel the need to point out that the meme is glossing over a couple key points:
First and foremost, 13*28 is 364 days, so to avoid slippage you’d need an extra day appended to every year, either as part of a month, which breaks symmetry, or on it’s own. You’d also still need leap years.
And in order for the days of the week to be immutably aligned with dates, these extra days would also have to not be part of any week. Which is a big problem if you want to get anyone who practices an Abrahamic faith on board with the plan.
What exactly would be so troublesome with having a “special day” outside of the usual week/month cycle? You can still go worship on whatever day of the week applicable to your faith. Just make the last day of the year its own thing. We can call it “New Years Eve” and party together.
It makes the calendar less than compatible with the commandment to keep the Sabbath by not working on every seventh day.
Which is not insurmountable in practice (e.g. by keeping a separate ecumenical calendar) but you can bet it would be a significant source of opposition.
Yay for The Human Calculator Calendar. Boo for not crediting sources. A missed opportunity to replace Jesse’s name with, “Scott.”
Double boo for not explaining the extra day every year, not to mention leap year. (364 / 28 = 13.)
Final boo for conflating the real world ~29.5 day imprecise lunar month with the 28 day English common law lunar month.
“The simple idea of a 13-month perennial calendar has been around since at least the middle of the 18th century. Versions of the idea differ mainly on how the months are named, and the treatment of the extra day in leap year.”
treatment of the extra day in leap year
Duh, that’s the purge day.
I had no clue. Thanks for letting me know. :)
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“not crediting sources”
Anyone that’s able to do math and that takes 30 seconds to look at our calendars can come up with the same reflection, nothing special with the “human calculator”.
Every birthday you have, for your entire life, being on a Wednesday.
Sounds great.
I got a Friday, not the best but I can work with in
I don’t wanna pay bills for another month
Landlords salivating at the prospect of an entirely new way to increase rent almost 10% for every tenant
As long as I get an extra payday without a decrease in payment, I’m good. I doubt that would be the case though.
But think of the possibilities. If you were born on the 31st, you’d stop aging.
Watch out for places (like gyms) that bill biweekly instead of monthly. You may think it lines up with months, but over the course of a year you pay an additional 8.6% more.
But, if you get paid biweekly and all of your bills are monthly, you basically get an extra paycheck each year.
Two extra I believe. And every few years three. BTW advertisers know this and try to sell big ticket items like TVs when that happens.
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Let’s make each month 73 days.
5 months. We can figure out a season for each one!
And pay less than half as much rent!
Landlords thought process: Since 2 months was typically 60-61 days and that range is higher, we’ll have to charge 3 payments for each monthly payment!
Fuck it. No-one is this thread can seem to agree, so I’m making a unilateral declaration that from here on out, all units of time except for the second are abolished, and we just use unix time for everything. You have until 1699217619s to make the switch.
you can omit the unit now
We’ll call it “Longpork’s Law”
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I can tell you’re a programmer, you autocorrected to sprint instead of spring lol
Must not be a Java dev!
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But what if we decimalised time?
No. Base 12 and base 60 are significantly better for things that are commonly divided into halves, thirds, fourths and so on.
A “day” is 86400 seconds. Changing the length of a second is a non starter, so you’d end up saying a day doesn’t line up with a day night cycle, or something weird like “a day is 8.64 hours long”, which doesn’t feel better than 24.
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We could change the definition of a second, but we’d be changing the si unit of time to mesh up with things that don’t currently have si equivalents. We’d have to redo a significant number of units.
The meter is defined in terms of the second, which is then used to define the kilogram.
It’s a base unit that all the others are built on. This wouldn’t be a tweak, it would be rebuilding the metric system. So that there would be ten hours in a day, which we would keep having to tweak because the earths rotation isn’t constant, which is why “day” isn’t an si unit in the first place.Yeah, the civilization that decided they like base 60 is long gone, but the reason they liked it is still relevant, which is why we keep using it. Highly composite numbers are really convenient, and ten is a pretty shitty number beyond being the base we often count in.
Two words: Seasonal regression
So? I don’t care if it’s hot in December or not and presumably we can figure out a more sciency way to time crop planting. Not like the almanac is worth fuckall in a changing climate anyhow.
13 x 28 = 364
Make New Years Day it’s own thing, not counted in a month (or just make the new 13th month 29 days long), and continue tacking on leap days to the end of February using the currently established rules.
The length of the year doesn’t change and no seasonal regression. It has so many fewer exceptions than our current system that you’d wonder how we ever ended up with a 12 month calendar.
you’d wonder how we ever ended up with a 12 month calendar
Roman Empire politics…
Yeah, and what have the Romans ever done for us?
Decided the number of months?
Nah, just have a double leap day every 4 years.
That’s when you add one or two days outside of any month - that was a legit proposal.
So like leap days which we already have tacked on to the shortest month.
Yes and no. The days would be outside of the normal week (so they would be in a kind of an 8 day week), and they would be holidays to not mess up work schedules in relation to the fixed calendar.
Many facilities are 24/7 operations that can’t just close for a holiday (ex: hospitals, first responders). It definitely would mess up people’s work schedules.
I’ve never been a fan of this idea, it doesn’t go far enough and further makes things less symmetric/divisible. I say we use 6-day weeks, 5 weeks per month, 12 months per year, and an inter-calary holiday week of 5-6 days. A six day week means 4 days working, 2 days rest, and that can be staggered more easily/equitably assuming work needs full coverage in a week. We start the new year on the Spring Equinox because it’s generally more pleasant.
For bonus points, we switch to base-12 (or dozenal) in our numbering system because after the transition it’s a much easier system to deal with as far as division and multiplication is concerned (e.g. 1/4 would be .3 instead of .25, 1/3 is .4 instead of .333…, 1/2 is .6, etc.).
What would we call the 13th month?
* sorry guys, this had apparently been decided already
Brian
Right between April and May with the other months that are also names
Smarch, naturally.
I just dread the weather.
Lousy Smarch weather!
Undecember, obviously ;)
I vote for cramming a “hextember” between August and September. Then all the numbered months can be off by even more!
Ok, who wished on the monkey paw?
I hope you get stabbed for this like the previous two fellas ;)
Smart, and then we can be extra witchy!
Who cares? Right now the 10th month is named after the number 8.
And September isn’t even the 7th month anymore, time to modernize
Gormanuary
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Funuary.
Eleventer but in latin of course
See also: Metric time.
10hrs in a day. 100min in a hour. 100 sec in a min.
Though I like the idea a lot, 60 has the great advantage that you can devide it by 2,3,4,5 and 6 which is a very useful property… The real power move would be to use the 60-system for everything… Like the Babylonians did, or so I heared
Nah, base 12 number system with the same logic as metric. But it’s probably too late to switch to a different number system.
Nah. Can’t devide by ape fingers
It’s useful. But when was the last time you used it? You usually don’t say a twelves or a third or a sixth of an hour, you say 5, 20 or 10 minutes. Half and quarter are available the same in decimal time.
It’s more a matter of habbit. You know what a second, a minute and an hour are because you had all your life to precisely learn it.
Hmn…
You’d need to redefine the derived SI Units, or take new measurements for newly derived units. Newtons, joules, pascals, hertz, coulombs, watts, volts, ohms, farads, siemens, webers, teslas, henrys, becquerels, grays, sieverts, and katals.
Also not to mention motion and heat.
You could say there’s a large amount of pressure to not change, or that it’s a high “bar”…
I hope you smiled, because that is one joke I will not be making again.
You don’t need to redefine any of them if you don’t change the length of a second though, right? Because the SI unit for time is the second?
As long as you just change the definition for non-SI units, sure kilometers or miles per hour changes, but that’s not SI, so nobody cares.
Also 10 days in a week. And 3 weeks in a month. Still 12 months, and 5 free days at the end. I like free days.
How is no one in here talking about the International Fixed Calendar? It was exactly this, and Kodak used it for 60 years. It does work. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
Huh, so this + Human Era dating is now my new favorite calender (there’s a sentence lol)
And we dont have to worry about the lousy Smarch weather.
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