“If voting could change anything, they’d make it illegal” -Emma Goldman
Emma Goldman 💟
Reminder that “you can’t make the system better by voting” applies even when you win the actual votes. Chile found out when democratically-elected socialist leader Salvador Allende was murdered in cold blood by a fascist CIA-backed coup and replaced by a fascist dictator, and Spain (my homeland) found out when we democratically elected a leftist coalition during the Spanish Second Republic, only to have a failed coup which turned into a civil war in which Fascists backed by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy fought against the legitimate democratically elected government (supported only by the USSR while the USA, England and France looked the other way during Nazi bombings such as that of Gernika), ultimately with Fascists winning the war and creating a 40-year fascist dictatorship of which we still sadly live the consequences.
Chile also found out when that piece of shit bootlicker Borics won pretending to be a socialist only to immediately kowtow to the US’ every whim once in office.
I feel bad for a lot of people who don’t want violence.
I don’t want it either, but they’re backing us into a corner. There have been many, many attempts at settling this peacefully, and it just hasn’t happened yet.
As Churchill said, you can’t reason with a lion while your head is in its mouth.
Quoting Churchill in this post lmao
I mean it’s a quote of a fact.
You can’t reason with anyone while under attack, but also the brain just don’t work as well in conflict/survival mode. This is a strategy they’ve been planning for decades, and started putting into action years in advance.
They are backing us into a corner bc they are trying to instigate violence to proceed with the next part of their plan.
It might be inevitable, but if you’re looking at violence/conflict as a resolution while knowing it’s part of their plan, you need your own plan and strategy in place to know where you go from there.
What happens once a civil war is kicked off? Their plan is to declare an emergency/martial law and use the military, federal, and state law enforcement and all their weapons and resources against their own civilians in order to crush dissent. Once that happens they already have their new government in place ready to take over on day one, bc a coup was the plan all along.
We need a strategy in place to defend. Force without any strategy or planning behind it is still just reasoning with the lion while your head is in its mouth.
I’m not disagreeing with the quote or anything, I’m a revolutionary communist who participated in civil disobedience in pro-palestine demonstrations (I’ll be there in Madrid this very evening to push for a general strike against genocide). I just find it ironic to quote Churchill of all.
Well, don’t get arrested, please. We need every man/woman we can get!
We don’t just need a strategy, we also need leaders.
It’s difficult though. Like you said, they’ve been planning this for a long time. They control so much that resistance is hard to put together and organize.
That said, at the end of the day if it comes to it I would much rather flail about and resist than give in without a fight.
said everyone sane, but not knowing how
I’ve read the declassified sabotage guides but people still have things to lose before they have nothing to lose.
Like. Why do people trust judges in America? I grew up where our local judges were financed by the mob with bullshit like owning the juvenile detention centers. Where kids were sent to keep it profitable for the owners. Who some were the very judges throwing kids away for nothing.
Judges are not going to save us. At this point replace them with Ai judges. I’m sure they’ll do a better job.
Yes this is a message I’m fully behind
You can do all those things and also vote. So vote. Sure, votes won’t make the system better, but you can make it harder for the fascists to get away with shit while you organize. Vote.
Voting is for them to let us have one of the two kinds of mercy they’re willing to take. I’ll vote if I’m feeling kind that day
Voting is fine as long as you are aware that it does nothing to materially prevent fascism. It can’t hurt anything to write something on a piece of paper. But the problem isnt really people like you. Its liberals who believe that voting is the be all end all of their political responsibility.
Electoral democracy is ultimately a misdirection. Capitalists are the actual sources of political power in western democracies. They unfortunately have a vested interest in the state getting more fascist and actually have the power to effect that change. So long as everyone looks down at the ballot box and then goes home to do nothing of material difference for the next 4 years, fascists will only continue to gain ground until they can do away with the misdirection of electoralism entirely.
Voting cannot be the only thing you do. Or you are effectively doing nothing. Which you seem to understand, but liberals do not. They actually want all other forms of political action banned. Because liberals ultimately protect capitalists, who are the real sources of political power. Leftist political action is a threat to capitalists. Thusly, liberals condemn it and recommend voting instead.
Voting is fine as long as you are aware that it does nothing to materially prevent fascism.
There is no such thing as preventing fascism. It’s a fight every generation has to win, no matter what government they live under. It’s always about delay so we can fight it again tomorrow.
It’s always about delay so we can fight it again tomorrow.
But delay can’t be all that it is, there also has to be something to fight for and some conceivable path to success. Especially, if your delay tactic demands also demands disowning any other tactics used by others.
What I’m saying is that not voting is foolish, not that voting is the only thing that should be done. In fact I’m saying that other things should be done. We clearly agree, I just think it is harmful to spread anti voting rhetoric because while it can’t fix things it is still a meaningful thing that can be done with immediate consequences for many.
We do agree. I only said anything in the first place because I didn’t really see this post as advocating an anti-voting position. I would see anti-voting agitation as more along the lines of “Do not vote. Voting itself is harmful.” As opposed to “voting doesn’t work” or “voting is ineffective” which I see as more along the lines of criticism of electoral democracy and agitation for collective action.
He did in an earlier post posted shortly before this one, and the title seems to reinforce this. The image itself doesn’t.
title:" you can’t make the system better by voting"
image: “you can’t vote fascism away”
seems pretty consistent, voting is not going to make the US less fascist
One post implied voting blue was voting for fascism, implying you shouldn’t for the dems in the US. My point is that this is shortsighted and harmful. People should vote for the dems unless a third party is a viable alternative, they should also build up third parties to make them viable options, and they should also join political orgs and unionize, and do direct action.
Ofc more than voting is needed, but the republicans are causing more harm than the dems would have by miles and contributing to more voter apathy is not the answer.
The Democrats and Republicans do differ on the timescales for the social murder they promote, as well as the out-groups they view as acceptable to target.
I can agree that Republicans are causing more harm in the moment. However rather than blaming commenters online for rising voter apathy I blame that on the Democrats for their warmongering, suppression of internal opposition, genocidal ‘foreign policy’, and their utter subservience to capital when it comes to improving things domestically.
Its liberals who believe that voting is the be all end all of their political responsibility.
I’ll take a liberal who believes voting is the be all end all of their political responsibility over a “leftist” who believes not voting, and encouraging others not to vote, is the be all end all of their political responsibility.
Electoral democracy is ultimately a misdirection. Capitalists are the actual sources of political power in western democracies.
Yes, but a large source of that power is influencing electoral democracy. It does work, but all it does is reflect the choice of the people¹. It’s just that the people have been manipulated into counterproductive choices for so long. A defeatist approach to voting is one of those choices.
No, voting can’t be the only thing you do. But it should be one of the things you do, and you should do it intelligently. Yes, we all want a more representative electoral mechanic, but until we get it we need to accept the properties of the field we’re playing on and act accordingly.
¹ Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and all the other ways of skewing democracy away from the actual will of the people only proves the point further. They wouldn’t be bothering with all that if elections didn’t have power.
all it does is reflect the choice of the people
And when the choices are all false ones?
“leftist” who believes not voting, and encouraging others not to vote, is the be all end all of their political responsibility.
That’s a strawman if I’ve ever seen one. Nobody saying that “electoralism is a sham” is saying that’s the “be all end all of their political responsibility.” They just generally have a broader definition of “political responsibility”.
And when the choices are all false ones?
Yeah, that was exactly my point.
Nobody saying that “electoralism is a sham” is saying that’s the “be all end all of their political responsibility.” They just generally have a broader definition of “political responsibility”.
Yeah that hasn’t been my experience. Especially in the last election cycle, I saw a lot of that supposed strawman. No community engagement, no actual political engagement, no workplace engagement, just “Kamala bad”. People who insisted that not voting or voting third party would send a message. Don’t pretend they don’t exist, I’ve talked to dozens.
I stand by my statement. All else equal, a liberal who does nothing except vote Democrat is better by far than a “leftist” who does nothing except tell people not to vote Democrat.
Yeah, that was exactly my point.
I don’t see it and that’s why I asked. Could you clarify?
People who insisted that not voting or voting third party would send a message.
Ah, I misunderstood your classifications. I would definitely lump those people in with the “liberals who do nothing except vote” crowd, not the “electoralism is a scam” leftists.
Could you clarify?
The claim was that electoral democracy was a misdirection, my point is that all the effort to manipulate it demonstrates that it is the seat of power, and the oligarchs have merely occupied it.
I would definitely lump those people in with the “liberals who do nothing except vote” crowd
Since they’re defined by not voting, they aren’t. They are, materially speaking, equivalent to anti-electoralists. The liberals are at least voting for plausible harm reduction.
my point is that all the effort to manipulate it demonstrates that it is the seat of power
That’s not at all what I mean about it being a false choice.
That’s one hell of a hasty generalization. Putting effort into something doesn’t make it materially valuable or useful. Lawns aren’t a useful cash crop, valuable export or critical infrastructure despite the ludicrous amount of resources spent on maintaining them.
Since they’re defined by not voting, they aren’t.
Within the framework of a representative democracy not voting when you don’t have representation is the same as voting for someone who isn’t representative of your interests.
So are we at the part where things need to be on-fire?
I do adore the flames, they speak to me.
That was in like 2004. Not sure what red line you think you’re waiting for.
Splendid! Let the flames cleanse all!
Wear your respirator, hon
"We can’t just vote "
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It says what you said already.
Have you seen crypts other posts and comments? He is not in favor of voting. Also see the title
That may be true but this art has been posted before when 50501 was taking off. The original artist probably had more emphasis on the just, as in you have to do more than simply voting. This is probably what the other commentor was trying to convey.
Sorry, I haven’t but believe you. ✌️
This. That was a message directly to OP. One he will fail to hear.
Phrased like that it sounds super sinister 👀
or maybe just dramatic?
I was saying this years ago but at this point: no. Fuck that system, I will not legitimize it, or the assholes blaming me for their own electoral failures. Fuck you¹, no, never again. Not in this system.
¹and you’re probably great! But still!
Fuck that system, I will not legitimize it, or the assholes blaming me for their own electoral failures. Fuck you¹, no, never again. Not in this system.
I get why you feel that way, but the reality is that if you abstain then there is no reason to even consider your opinion or desires. If your just going to say no because you’re not getting everything then you’ll just be excluded and everyone else will get something. Case in point the let’s relevance today. They don’t really support any part, nor do they work to make their own; as such you can ignore them. Protests? War? People that don’t want to build a third party are unlikely to fight. Do you know who FARC is? They are a political party now. But they also were before.
no reason to consider your opinion or desires
Nobody in power has ever done this. You’re showing so much privilege it has an event horizon.
you’ll be excluded
So like always?
everyone else will get something
Oh like the federally free weed single payer healthcare and not funding the Zionists that upwards of 60% of Americans want? Get out of your god damn fantasy world.
there is no left and they don’t do anything
Case in point
you’ll be excluded
So like always?
Exactly, you’ve abstained and you won’t organize a third party. You’ve done everything to not be taken seriously. The left broadly doesn’t want to, so it will keep being irrelevant
I didn’t abstain. Most people I knew on the left didnt used to either. Fuck you. I’m more than a lefty; I fit into lots of demographics, and not one of them has ever won jack shit by voting.
Everything you’re saying is from a dog shit Arron Sorkin fantasy. I find it deeply offensive for reasons you can’t and do not want to understand.
Fuck you and fuck your nation-state. You are why we have fascism. This is your doing and you can’t even understand why.
Elections are one front in the class war. Leftist keep ignoring it and wonder why they get nothing.
When the enemy has complete control over the weapons and battlefield which overwhelmingly favors them; why would you pick that fight?
You can all talk politics, but Arson Rabbit is my new hero.
I knew there was a reason I never got permanently identifiable tattoos like everyone else in my age group and kept my hair and beard long so I can change my appearance with a pair of scissors and a razor in just a few minutes.
Honestly, the fact that ICR just does what it wants on American streets is pretty weird to me. How have people just not chased them off yet? So weird.
They are confronted all the time and there are a bunch of viral videos of people literally chasing them out of neighborhoods
Are there any actual leftist spaces on this site? This place is as filled with libs as r/leftist back on Reddit which was always cringe. Need more active anarchist pages or those site’s version of latestagecapitalism to get more use.
hexbear is arguably the most trans-inclusive place in Lemmy. Most people there are either Marxist-Leninist or Anarchist, and there is very little liberalism tolerance. People are also fun and make jokes about beanis :)
Hexbear, .ml and lemmygrad are pretty great. It’s .world, lemm.ee and feddit which are filled with everyone too toxic or obnoxious for even the reddit libs.
may I introduce you to https://anarchist.nexus/
Thanks. I keep forgetting Piefeed is a different thing from Lemmy/Blorp so got confused why it wasn’t popping up when I tried searching for it.
What the fuck is a blorp
It’s the app I use to more easily access Lemmy on my phone.
For anyone just learning about Blorp, we also support PieFed! We also have imo the best multi account support. You can quickly switch between your Lemmy and PieFed accounts.
I think you’ll find a few like-minded people there. and we have a couple good comms to take part in.
Like searching from the Blorp login screen (see image below)? I could probably have it figure out if you are searching for Lemmy/PieFed automatically
Lemmy.dbzer0.com - Lemmy Quokk.au - PF Anarchist.nexus - PF
All 3 are anarchist/left.
Than there’s the triad if you’re into killing innocent people with tanks.
Lmao this place is overrun with “Leftists” – what are you even talking about?
yes, it is overrun with liberals cosplaying as leftists, but on the plus side the admins don’t really mind too much if you shit on the libs, so long as you aren’t being a bigot while you do it. so even if there is an infestation of democrats, they provide the leftists here with amusement.
You spelled “tankies” wrong
for example, we have a liberal here we can make fun of. besides being a general shitty person, he also hates minorities and has no problem with his party being filled with nazi collaborators.
Okay tankie.
Anyone you disagree with is a Tankie.
I might be offended by that, if I thought you were educated enough to know what a tankie was.
It’s overrun with blue MAGA libs that attack anyone who refuses to fall in line with the Dem party. Just look at many of the comments on posts in leftymemes that are anti-drmocrat or anti-voting. Tons of these morons crawling out of the woodwork to defend them and spout their “lesser evil” BS.
First-past-the-post shoves down fascists and neoliberals down people’s throats because that electoral system is designed for 2 competitors in a horse race.
You spelled “tankies” wrong.
Chickenshit response
Garbage take.
Cry about it liberal
Okay tankie
Do you want 🇷🇺 to win the 🇺🇦 war?
No? The fuck kind of question is that? It’s like asking if I want Israel to continue existing after everything they’ve done.
It’s to weed out tankies.
Better than accusing me of being one simply cause I refuse to fall in line with the blue or red fascists.
Who are the blue and red fascists, I’ve only heard the term “red fascism” before
Democrats and Conservatives. Anyone who sides with capitalism, supports state sanctioned violence by the police along with genocide and thinks that human rights are something to be debated over with shit like “up to the states to decide” or whatever is a fascist.
People are using tankie for Russia supporters?
Tankies are people who identify as communist or socialist, but want a state where the ruler cannot be switched out through elections, or a comparable peaceful process. Such as the Soviet Union. In fact, the term “tankie” was first coined to describe people who supported the Soviet Union sending tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution.
Authoritarianism and communism are incompatible. Under communism, the means of production are publicly owned. Ownership over a thing means that either a) you control the thing, and owe no accountability to anybody. Or b) the person controlling the thing is accountable to you. If the person who claims to control the means of production as the representative of the people is not accountable to the people, then he is actually the owner of the means of production. For example, Stalin effectively owned the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union wasn’t communism, it was the end state of capitalism, the complete enslavement of the working class to the owner class.
And for some reason, people who think Stalin was great like Russia, even though modern Russia doesn’t even claim to be communist.
Such as the Soviet Union. In fact, the term “tankie” was first coined to describe people who supported the Soviet Union sending tanks to crush the Hungarian Revolution
Not to be pedantic or anything, but wasn’t the etymology of the word “tankie” vindicated recently when it was released by Trump that the leader of the Hungarian Freedom Fighters ended up being funded by CIA?
Regarding your point of Stalin controlling the Soviet Union and dictating whatever happened with the means of production, I actually have stuff to add: union membership was highest in the USSR than it’s ever been anywhere to that point of history, with unions taking care of a lot of stuff such as guaranteeing workers access to housing and healthcare, organizing vacation, ensuring workplace safety, and obviously representing the will of workers: in every factory there was a factory newspaper where workers could submit their complaints or comments on the work organizing, and unions had the power to change the workplace director. As for sources of this, you can have a look at Pat Sloan’s “Soviet Democracy”, a book written by an Englishman who left the UK to go to the USSR in the Stalin era and lived there for about a decade; also Mick Costello’s “Worker Participation in the Soviet Union”, a book written after a series of interviews to workers all over the USSR by the author, published 1977 so a very different era, tells a lot about this. I think most of the misconception that “workers had no say in production” comes mostly from western anticommunist propaganda and isn’t substantiated by any serious evidence. If you have any works contradicting what I’ve said above, I’d be glad to look into it.
Lastly, regarding your point of “Soviet Union being the end state of Capitalism and the enslavement of the working class to the owner class”: who was said owner class?
Source for the graph above, hopefully you know Meduza well enough to know that it’s not very much aligned with socialism. Wealth inequality has never been lower in any Soviet Union territories as it was during the Soviet Union, not before, not after. In fact, wealth inequality was remarkably low compared to most capitalist countries (again as you see in the graph), and the highest salaries belonged actually not to politicians as you could expect, but to highly trained intellectuals such as University professors or military researchers (my sources for this are Albert Szymanski’s “Is the Red Flag Flying” and Robert C. Allen’s "Farm to Factory: a Reinterpretation of the Soviet Industrial Revolution). If there were an “owning class vs. working class” dynamic, wouldn’t we expect high wealth disparity between workers and “owners”, whoever they were? Why, if workers had no say over 70 years in industrial and economic production, was wealth inequality consistently at historic minima and not growing as is the case in proven class-societies such as capitalism (Russia post-1990 per the graph) or feudalism (Russia pre-1929ish per the graph)?
That declassified document you posted doesn’t say a whole lot. Basically boils down to “we gave them a phone call”. If that’s all the proof there is for collaboration, then your evidence is pathetic.
Secondly, you notice that blue line going up almost vertically? I’ve already lined out my definition of ownership, there’s also a second one, namely that you own something if the sovereign legally recognizes you as the owner. What happened was that the Communist party went from controlling the means of production without accountability (de facto owning them), to being the recognized owner of the means of production (de jure owning them). The graph you posted just tracks the latter, that’s why it looks like the Soviet Union had low wealth inequality.
@Saledovil@sh.itjust.works no response here?
Not supporting the “dictatorship of the proletariat” types, but the reason tankies support Russia isn’t because they think modern Russia is Communist. It’s because Russia is fighting Ukraine, which they see as a proxy war against the United States and its puppets in NATO.
In the authoritarian Communist worldview, the United States is the vanguard of capitalism and the most dangerous threat to global communism. That’s why they think Communist nations need authoritarian governments and powerful militaries: to protect themselves from the United States and its client states.
So tankies support anyone fighting the United States or its allies, no matter who they are or how bad their governments are. Because they think anything that weakens the United States is good for the world.
in the end, all they’ve done is make another oligarchy to replace the US with.
eh, there’s some stuff in what you said that’s not quite right, but you are getting the gist of it.
Tankies support Russia but Russia supporters aren’t all tankies
You seem to care so much about Ukrainians. Surely then you support the Soviet Union, which in 1991 71.5% of Ukrainians voted to uphold and whose antidemocratic dissolution led to the worst humanitarian crisis in the history of post-WW2 Europe:
Surely you support the system that kept Ukraine well-fed, industrialized and at peace with the neighboring sister region, which maintained Ukrainian presidents of the entire Union such as Khrushchev and Brezhnev, and whose dissolution led to Ukraine becoming the poorest country in Europe?
After hardliners in Moscow made the New Union Treaty (that people voted for) fail, Ukraine voted to be independent.
No comment on the millions of Ukrainian deaths and lives ruined in the transition away from communism?
Well no I was commenting on that specific part. It’s an interesting what if to consider if hardline communists hadn’t prevented the New Union Treaty, if we might still have that new union and what their ideology would be.
The question asked in the 1991 Soviet Union Referendum was “Do you consider necessary the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which the rights and freedom of an individual of any ethnicity will be fully guaranteed?” It would have drastically reformed the Soviet Union if it had succeeded. And funnily enough, it was a coup by hardliners in the communist party that prevented the reforms (New Union Treaty). This coup, while not successful in seizing power, ultimately lead to the Soviet government losing influence, which in turn resulted in its dissolution. By the time the Supreme Soviet voted to formally dissolve the Soviet Union, it had de-facto already ceased to exist.
And while 71.5% of Ukrainians voted in favor of the New Union Treaty, 81.7% voted for an independent Ukraine.
From your latter referendum:
The declaration also proclaimed that the republic has intent to become “a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs,”
Surely then you agree that the coming Ukrainian capitalist government violated the Ukrainian popular will by allowing NATO troops to be stationed in Ukraine more than a decade ago as confirmed by Jen Stoltenberg?
You mentioned nothing about the worst humanitarian crisis in Europe, only focusing on technicalities over referenda. My question stands: do you support the regime change that led to the worst humanitarian crisis in Europe, the war in Ukraine, and which prematurely ended the lives of millions of Ukrainians purely through economic destruction? Or do you want to focus on bickering over violated referenda instead of the material living conditions of people?
Surely then you agree that the coming Ukrainian capitalist government violated the Ukrainian popular will by allowing NATO troops to be stationed in Ukraine more than a decade ago as confirmed by Jen Stoltenberg?
I wonder if something happened to make them change their mind on neutrality
You mentioned nothing about the worst humanitarian crisis in Europe, only focusing on technicalities over referenda.
Because there’s nothing to say about it other than that it was bad. And I honestly don’t get what point you’re trying to make. The Ukrainian people, along with ~70% of the Soviet Union, voted to reform the Soviet Union. Hardliners in the Communist Party staged a coup which stopped the New Union Treaty from being signed. Afterwards, the Soviet Union fell apart, and was then formally dissolved.
And when the Crimean annexation by Russia took place, where was the referendum to allow NATO troops? Or does the government suddenly get the unilateral decision-making power when it comes to NATO?
Because there’s nothing to say about it other than that it was bad
Yes, there is plenty to say, actually. You could, for example, stop pretending that you actually do care about the well-being of Ukrainian people, since you apparently have no mention of the millions of deaths from destruction of public healthcare, alcoholism, drug abuse, violence, suicide, shitty diet and outright hunger that took place after 1991 and kept happening as Ukraine became the poorest country in Europe. You could admit that you only care about Ukrainians suffering now because the war happens to be against the geopolitical enemy of your country.
If you gave one flying fuck about the well-being of Ukrainians, you’d be supporting communism and the Soviet Union right now, since its disintegration led to the worst humanitarian crisis the country has seen since the Nazis invaded it, and to an ever-ongoing disintegration of public services which led to millions more premature deaths than the illegal Russian invasion. You would be complaining about Russian capitalism which is the one that invaded Ukraine, and you’d understand that there was no such war during Soviet times. It is precisely capitalism that brought all of this to Ukraine, and if you cared genuinely about Ukrainians and wished the best for them instead of using them as a pawn for your media-induced hatred of Russia, you’d wish for the USSR never to have fallen.
You’ve shown us in other comments that you’ve done no reading on the topic to the point that you don’t even bother to understand the difference between income and wealth, and you make up on-the-spot assumptions from your ill-informed, poorly-read, west-propagandized version of the topic. The problem isn’t that you do this, the problem is that you do this while claiming to be a leftist/anarchist. I’ll tell you something: if you, as a leftist/anarchist, share 90% of your opinion about a geopolitical enemy of the USA with the CIA, you’re doing something wrong.
Yes, there is plenty to say, actually. You could, for example, stop pretending that you actually do care about the well-being of Ukrainian people, since you apparently have no mention of the millions of deaths from destruction of public healthcare, alcoholism, drug abuse, violence, suicide, shitty diet and outright hunger that took place after 1991 and kept happening as Ukraine became the poorest country in Europe. You could admit that you only care about Ukrainians suffering now because the war happens to be against the geopolitical enemy of your country.
The hardliners of the communist party prevented the needed reforms to prevent the chaotic collapse of the Soviet Unions, which would have prevented, or at least mitigated, the “millions of deaths from destruction of public healthcare, alcoholism, drug abuse, violence, suicide, shitty diet and outright hunger that took place after 1991”. And if Lenin hadn’t betrayed the revolution, we wouldn’t have had the Holodomor. The Soviet Union fucked Ukraine first through malice, then through incompetence.
If you gave one flying fuck about the well-being of Ukrainians, you’d be supporting communism and the Soviet Union right now, since its disintegration led to the worst humanitarian crisis the country has seen since the Nazis invaded it, and to an ever-ongoing disintegration of public services which led to millions more premature deaths than the illegal Russian invasion. You would be complaining about Russian capitalism which is the one that invaded Ukraine, and you’d understand that there was no such war during Soviet times. It is precisely capitalism that brought all of this to Ukraine, and if you cared genuinely about Ukrainians and wished the best for them instead of using them as a pawn for your media-induced hatred of Russia, you’d wish for the USSR never to have fallen.
The one mostly responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union is the communist party of the Soviet Union.
You’ve shown us in other comments that you’ve done no reading on the topic to the point that you don’t even bother to understand the difference between income and wealth, and you make up on-the-spot assumptions from your ill-informed, poorly-read, west-propagandized version of the topic. The problem isn’t that you do this, the problem is that you do this while claiming to be a leftist/anarchist. I’ll tell you something: if you, as a leftist/anarchist, share 90% of your opinion about a geopolitical enemy of the USA with the CIA, you’re doing something wrong.
At least I’m coherent, unlike you. The fault for the collapse of the Soviet Unions lies by its incompetent government.
I don’t give a shit, if you care so much about Ukraine pick up a gun and go fight
I suppose you don’t care about Gaza either, do you?
I do actually
I’m guessing you have a gun in hand alredy?
Interesting guess, definitely not something a person with a working brain would discuss in detail through unsecure channels
Lmao that’s a no
So, why are you indifferent to Russia committing genocide, but not to Israel?
Russia isn’t committing genocide, fucking duh
So, your standard is “Imperialism is fine, as long as you’re not committing genocide”? Also, Russia not committing genocide is highly questionable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War)
Based on the voter turnout in the last US Federal election, I would say you COULD have made the system better (or at least not immeasurably worse) by voting.
Folks just chose not to.
It wouldn’t have made the system better. It would have delayed people from making the system worse.
The last chance to make it better was the 2020 primary. That definitely could have been a fulcrum if Democratic voters weren’t such idiots.
The primary on which the Democratic party deliberately, repeatedly, and flagrantly puts its whole arm on the scale? That primary?
I stg they could roll out Hitler and Mega Hitler and y’all would get pissy at non voters like they’re the idiots.
I can be pissed at the Democratic establishment for manipulating voters and at voters for allowing themselves to be manipulated at the same time. I’m just talented like that.
That’s what y’all always say but only bring it out after you’ve thrown a tantrum at non voters like the Democratic party is owed votes. You can’t be mad at democrats for rigging shit and at the voters for recognizing it, that’s just some cop out y’all been trained to give.
Y’all ain’t slick.
Who the fuck do you think I am? You’re presuming an awful lot, and nowhere close to the mark. Also, if you read what I just said, I’m not pissed at voters for recognizing the lies, I’m pissed at them for falling for the lies. Fuck off until you learn some reading comprehension skills.
Which means more time to make it better. I would rather have things fall apart in pieces instead of collapsing as a whole
that is a nonsense statement that doesn’t fucking mean anything.
So you’re telling me you’d rather your entire house fall to dust, than for parts of your house to fall apart over time so you have time to build it up better? That’s a really weird take.
You’re ignoring the part where building it up better cannot be and never has been accomplished by voting
Reformism is a thing, but of course it loses all credibility when the only longterm vision it’s serving is ”slowing collapse somewhat”.
As an outsider, it’s fascinating how mainstream US politics today largely divides into Trumpian accelerationism and Dick Cheney allies that are appalled that a lot of other people can’t envision victory by rallying behind the corporate sponsored candidate of the Dick Cheney party, which is also promising to destroy the world, albeit in a slower and more controlled way that is less disruptive to big business. Fuck anyone that has different ideas, it’s all about ”winning” here and now, even if it’s not really winning. And there’s always only the here and now, because there’s always a new Trump waiting around the next corner. Just like in most other countries.
Both of those ”sides” – internationally – have killed reformism as a viable political project, neither of them support gradual alignment of wealth and power with a popular majority.
People said this in 2020 as well, that we should vote for Biden and organize, and then people just didn’t organize.
The problem with the slow collapse is that it frustrates people, and pushes them to vote for the alternative.
Brb, re-painting the lines on the stroad near my house to add a bike lane.
Well, after I rent a pavement grinder to fix the damn sidewalks.
Install a speed bump for additional safety https://www.clevescene.com/news/urbanist-guerillas-fed-up-neighbors-install-speed-bump-on-street-where-five-year-old-was-struck-and-killed-38879832
Better check what those “minor updates” did to the voting machines.
Whether or not you believe the election was stolen, the simple fact that something like that is able to happen is unnfuckenbelievable. I’ve worked on projects that don’t have any impact irl where this would be impossible. It truly boggles the mind how exposed US elections are to corruption, without even mentioning the word gerrymander.
They need to get themselves an AEC.
Bro it’s all a ruse whether it’s a card or machine or in person vote u think powers that be will allow the voters to disrupt them with a suprised candidate lol cmon bro
You definitely can achieve some things with voting.
America got trump!
It’s not the only country in the world
Yeah and rest of the countries are going downt he same drai. America is just leading
