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I really wonder if leftists really are this brainwashed to parrot such an obviously incorrect narrative. The answer is “yes, they are this brainwashed.”
Bro, the shooter’s truck has two American flags, and his house has a Trump/Vance campaign sign.
You can’t sidestep this one. Sorry. MAGA dealt this one, not leftists
And actually, MOST homicides and mass shootings in the US are caused by right wing nutjobs. Don’t listen to Fox News’ propaganda
He has a Trump Vance sign on his fence. Right wing extremism is a real serious problem https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2025/09/thomas-tom-jacob-sanford-michigan-lds-church-shooter-decorated-war-veteran-trump-supporter/
I saw the twin full size American flags on the back of the truck and I instantly pegged him as a MAGA nutter.
It’s really not hard to spot this particular brand of mental illness.
Narcissistic rage
Learn how to read yet?
What leftists are shooting right wingers you fucking moron open your goddamn eyes fuck
The reports I read said the shooter had trump signs at his house. He’s maga for sure https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/thomas-jacob-sanford-trump-supporter-michigan-grand-blanc-church-shooters-political-affiliation-democrat-or-republican-101759091935370.html
Do you really think a MAGA’t wank stain is going to trust a paper with Hindu in the name?
Lol
He has a Trump/vance sign on his fence https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2025/09/thomas-tom-jacob-sanford-michigan-lds-church-shooter-decorated-war-veteran-trump-supporter/
No way, mass shooters are never on the far right!
The Hindustan Times probably isn’t a trustworthy source. Especially in this political climate, I’d recommend not believing anything you haven’t seen from multiple sources.
MSN reports he has Trump/pence shirt in photo and trump/vance sign
Fair. Also here is that MSN article.
your comment is extra funny when maga folks listen to fox religiously, which is literally a propaganda outlet for trump.
Someone hasn’t been paying attention to where a vast majority of political violence comes from.
Except literally the meme plays out every single time.
Ok genuinely trying to understand what you’re saying here. You say “narrative” but that implies that someone is writing a story. Can you please be specific?
A GMC truck complete with two American flag poles on the back. Classic.
Classic leftist antifa. Better round up every trans person, just in case.
Dear trans Democratic partner. I hope this message finds you in good health. I have left the vehicle in a place unbeknownst to policemen. I will now briefly outline how I have acted under the sway of the radical Trans Antifa group.
Rump keeps pointing fingers at “radical extreme left antifé…” and every week another one of his followers does a mass murder.
As planned.
Whoops! Ha ha. I meant totally . . random chance!
You might even call it… stochastic.
Don’t forget to pick up your free thoughts and prayers. Now, nearly all of them are 100% made in the US. Looking good, the United States of America. We’re number one in another thing that’s horrible to be ranked high in, around the world.
Admittedly did not read the article yet. This is my prediction:
Willing to put money on this being a conservative that is getting revenge on Mormons because of the Kirk killing being in Utah.
Tyler Robinson was raised Mormon so this might very well be the reason.
Hey, let’s maybe wait a bit before even reading anything this time. AP itself is quite trustworthy IMO, but the sources themselves often aren’t - AP reports what it finds out, but they get their data from police, FBI, etc - not a single link in the chain is infallible, which is why it’s best to wait till a bit more is known.
With the Kirk shooter, first he was trans, then he was a groyper, and then later on it turned out he has a trans girlfriend and he was sick of the hate Kirk was spewing. Hell, maybe even THAT isn’t the final version. The first one was super comfy for conservatives to believe, the second version was super comfy for the left to believe, and the final version… Honestly again, sounds a bit too convenient. So we’ll see.
My guess is the dude had some kind of a massive crash out after an argument with his wife.
I come from white trash.
I know how this tends to work.
That being said: total guess, in the sense that I do not have any actual evidence to back up or corroborate this idea.
I will though note that it is odd that… well, with Kirk’s shooter, we hear all about and from family members and roommates/partners, anyone related to the person… because everyone wants this info so as to attempt to create a narrative/motive, whether trying to do this objectively or in an obviously biased way.
This guy?
Maybe I’ve missed it but I’ve not seen or heard a single mention of any LE contacting his family or media outlets getting any statements from amybody he knew.
But this also has not stopped a good chunk of right wing people from doing the most pathetically transparent motivated reasoning I’ve seen in a while.
So it’s the left fault!?!??
/s
In their mind? Yeah? Probably. 🙄
Honestly, I hope they all just take each other out
How long ago was it that this wasn’t a regular occurence?
Before Columbine.
The fact that when you say “Columbine” we immediately know you’re talking about the shooting at Columbine means that it was noteworthy enough to not be a regular occurrence then. Same with Sandy Hook. Nowadays we don’t even question why anymore, and few people would recognize the Evergreen school shooting that happened a couple weeks ago from the name of the school alone.
If I told you that life insurance costs more for people who live near schools and you have to question if that is real, that tells you the number of shootings at schools is to damn high
Don’t forget about the Bowling Green massacre.
You unlocked a repressed memory. Thanks for that.
Theres several schools named evergreen in my area though so it makes it tough
The first shooting I remember was the Heath High School shooting in 1997. Things haven’t been ok for a long time
I don’t remember the last time I’ve seen the Las Vegas massacre sometime in the last 10 years was mentioned. A huge amount of people died then and I don’t think many people remember it at all
And again, to the disappointment of the MAGA heads, it is one of theirs, not a leftie.
And he was shooting their own too.
Let me guess, he’s got The Internationale inscribed on every bullet.
It’s a mix of The Internationale, The Communist Manifesto and for some unknown reason The Rocky Horror Picture Show’s script.
Its amazing, they got the whole damn thing on there!
Dmnitjnt
Haters will say it’s fake:
Don’t show this to Trump, he’ll insist that it’s real.
If this guy has a Mauser the conspiracists heads will explode.
With sharpie
How will they ever discover this pathetic man was trans?
Not needed. They just have to say he was influenced by ” radical trans antifa ideology”
His brother’s girlfriend’s cousin’s barber once liked a photo of a trans person’s cat on instagram. Case. Fucking. Closed.
I shit you not, they’re saying he was against trump because he had his trump/pence sign hanging on his fence visible in proximity to a stop sign.
Also, some people have pointed out that a “T Sanford” is a donor to the “BLUE ORIGIN LLC PAC”, which is obviously a democratic PAC, and not the lobbying group for the private space flight company Blue Origin LLC, who coincidentally has a Tommy Sanford as their sales director. Because people never have the same name.I wonder what color of crayon he used to write “i <3 antifa” on his bullet casings
The FBI is leading the investigation and considered it an “act of targeted violence,” said Ruben Coleman, a special agent in charge for the bureau.
Thank goodness it wasn’t a terrorist attack!
The guy hat USA flags on his truck. How could he be a terrorist!?
So a Freedom Attack then
Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40, was identified as the shooter responsible for a mass shooting at The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Grand Blanc Township, Michigan, on Sunday, September 28, 2025. Sanford drove his pickup truck into the church, exited the vehicle, and opened fire with an assault rifle on congregants during a service. He also deliberately set fire to the church building. The shooting resulted in the deaths of at least two people, with several others injured. Sanford was killed by law enforcement officers in a shootout at the scene.
Sanford was a US Marine Corps veteran who served in Iraq from 2004 to 2008 and lived in Burton, Michigan. His vehicle was reportedly decorated with two large American flags, and social media posts suggest a possible Trump support sign at his residence, though these affiliations have not been officially confirmed by authorities. The motive for the attack remains under investigation, with searches conducted at his home and examination of his cellphone records. There were also reports of improvised explosive devices found near the church. The incident shocked the community, especially as it occurred shortly after the death of Russell M. Nelson, the longtime president of the church [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10].
Citations: [1] Thomas Sanford a Trump supporter? Big claim on … https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/thomas-jacob-sanford-trump-supporter-michigan-grand-blanc-church-shooters-political-affiliation-democrat-or-republican-101759091935370.html [2] Who is Thomas Sanford? Michigan Mormon church … https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/who-is-thomas-sanford-michigan-grand-blanc-mormon-church-shooting-suspect-identified-as-iraq-war-veteran-101759088332418.html [3] Iraq War veteran Thomas Sanford ID’d as gunman who … https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-news/iraq-war-veteran-thomas-sanford-idd-as-gunman-who-attacked-grand-blanc-lds-church-killing-2-and-setting-it-ablaze/ [4] Police identify suspect in mass shooting at Grand Blanc … https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2025/09/28/police-identify-suspect-in-mass-shooting-at-grand-blanc-township-church/ [5] Grand Blanc church shooting: What’s known about … https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/michigan-grand-blanc-church-shooting-suspect [6] Live updates: Church attack kills 2, injures 8; suspect … https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/michigan-church-shooting-live-updates-rcna234221 [7] Photos emerge of truck decked out in American flags that … https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-news/photos-emerge-of-truck-decked-out-in-american-flags-that-gunman-crashed-into-mormon-church-before-shooting/ [8] Live updates: Church shooting and fire in Grand Blanc … https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/church-shooting-fire-michigan-09-28-25 [9] Two killed and eight injured as suspect named in Michigan … https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c62l7x0v5e5t [10] Suspect Identified in Shooting at Mormon Church in Michigan https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/breaking-suspect-identified-shooting-mormon-204305951.html
You probably shouldn’t trust the Hindustan Times, they are not a credible news source
That’s not what your link says, it says mixed, and if you want to talk about bias, why didn’t you also do the same check for all the other sources? Example: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-post/ Much worse and the factual score is lower.
The link I provided says the Hindustan Times has low credibility and their factual reporting is mixed. The post has medium credibility and mixed factual reporting.
To be perfectly honest, I didn’t check the others because they were all from more mainstream sources. Especially with breaking news, like this story was yesterday, we should all be giving unfamiliar sources extra scrutiny.
If it makes you feel better though I’ll do the rest of them:
- Hindustan Times: mixed factual reporting, low credibility
- New York Post: mixed factual reporting, medium credibility
- ClickOnDetroit: high factual reporting, high credibility
- Fox 2 Detroit: high factual reporting, high credibility
- NBC News: high factual reporting, high credibility
- CNN: mostly factual reporting, medium credibility
- BBC: high factual reporting, high credibility
- Yahoo News: high factual reporting, high credibility
Yes but did you read them? The HT doesn’t fare as bad as the others. Which leads me to believe you singled out the HT because of their brownness or perhaps non-Jeebusness.
"To be perfectly honest, I didn’t check the others because they were all from more mainstream sources. "
Which are all bullshit in many ways…
Which leads me to believe you singled out the HT because of their brownness or perhaps non-Jeebusness.
I singled them out because it was an obscure source and misinformation is rife on the Internet. If you believe I might be secretly a bigot, you are welcome to check my post history, but I promise you, I am not.
Which are all bullshit in many ways…
100% agree. Not a single source on that list, except maybe the bbc would I trust as a single source, and only then if it were about non-political international stories.
Maga on maga violence is trending in 2025.
Damn it, Tylenol!
The impact spread quickly to neighboring communities, including the small city that shares a name with the township.
“Although we are two separate governmental units, we are a very cohesive community,” said city of Grand Blanc Mayor John Creasey. “This sort of thing is painful for our entire community. I’m struggling to digest all that has happened, and my heart goes out to all of the affected families.”
Nervous reporter calls wrong number by mistake, feels obliged to put comment in story anyway, more at 11
I know a lot of good Mormon people/friends and the ones I’m around are such wonderful people. My heart hurts for them and my thoughts are with their community during this time. How sad.
Someone reported they were in the building right after the first call and mentioned there were 4 canvasses covering people and the cops said it would grow. So I suspect this is an early count before they get to the burned section.
Mormons generally come in two flavors: wonderful people taken advantage of by a cult and absolute scum who utilize the cult to abuse others. So here’s hoping the shooter got some of the abusers.
The more likely target is of course kids because of Sunday School.
