And for anyone asking “Why are we boycotting/blocking lemmy.ml?” Here’s a quick recap:
Lemmy.ml is an instance run by admins who are hardcore tankies and will enforce their ideology on their instance through various means from allowing (and pushing it themselves) propaganda (Such as Russia being justified in some way to invade Ukraine) and known propaganda outlets (Like RT) to removing content on their instance critical of their favored authoritarian regimes such as Russia or China and even banning users for such speech or speech critical of them if it’s off their instance (Just like the Reddit mods of ol!).
If it was just some random instance it would have been defederated from long ago like the rest of the “Tankie Triad” (Hexbear and Lemmygrad), but they’ve positioned lemmy.ml as the “flagship” instance and abused that position and influence to become large enough to keep other instances from defederating from them.
Which I believe is harmful to the Lemmy-verse’s overall growth and outside reputation. I have seen it come up before on Reddit threads (and other testimonials from people who came back and tried it again) that “They tried Lemmy but it was a bunch of tankies and went back to Reddit”
I don’t know about you, but I’d prefer Lemmy to not end up with the reputation for being "Tankie Central " or even worse “Voat 2.0”.
So if you haven’t joined the boycott yet, join today and help us foster a better healthier Lemmy-verse!
You can take a look around here on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works for documentation of it or checkout this list of curated documentation
On bans and censorships:
https://lemmy.world/post/28480760
https://lemmy.world/post/28481615
https://lemmy.world/post/28482147
https://lemmy.world/post/28480936
https://lemmy.world/post/28482273
https://lemmy.world/post/28481272
https://lemmy.world/post/28481064
https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
Allowing altered headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
https://lemmy.world/post/28275465
https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
Spreading Russia talking points like the Ukraine invasion just being a “negotiating tactic” !https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven’t “seen the way” yet: https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
Open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines (head admin)) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
“concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren’t that bad” https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
I wish feddit.org blocked lemmy.ml. I keep getting vitriol and queerphobia from their users.
I’m lucky to not have been too exposed to most of their tankie apologetics for authoritarians, but I did notice a pretty staggering number of them were under the impression that Trump and Harris were literally identical.
And no, I don’t mean in the “the democrats are center right and often vote similarly to republicans on many issues” ‘identical’ view, I mean “They both do an equally bad amount of things, just in different areas, and neither is worse than the other” 💀
The amount of “both sides” is gross tbh.
Only like 3.5% of the world’s population lives in the US. So if you happen to live in a country that has been negatively affected by US foreign policy in the last 50 years and don’t much care what happens to people inside the US right now, or what labels and pins they put on their jackets, yeah there is little difference between red and blue. Like if you ignore what ideological they profess to and simply look at their actions on other countries.
Empathy can be “disabled” though certain ideology or religion. Saying such radical things like “no difference” is an attempt help people snap out of this “sociopathic trance”. Or at worst an attempt to mock or scold you for defending an imperialist regime that has caused countless deaths and immense suffering over the last 7 decades.
Obviously this is futile. And lemmy is much more pleasurable when blocking such people.
Yeah, blocked hexbear too.
Those people are absolutely fucking unhinged and do not engage in any sort of good faith argument.
After one round, I got name called, after round two asking for clarification, I just left.
Time is precious, the squirrels in my yard are more coherent than these chucklefucks.
Hell, even two crows would be better
they are more or less the same side of coins as conservatives, they even whine and post the same way.
i found out earlier how to block instances like hexbear and ml.
Lemmy .ml is partly why I switched to an instance which defederates them. The admin and mod behavior over there is gross. If it weren’t run by the Lemmy devs it would be widely blocked.
You know, the differing opinion isn’t so bad. It’s that they’re such pricks.
if the opinion is annoying and doesnt provide constructive conversations, opinions almost one-sided anyways and holds bias, i always block them if they become annoying.
well put. and every Marxist-Leninist I’ve met irl has been cool, these pricks are either misrepresenting the entire movement or doing it in the worst, most alienating, factually challenged kind of way.
I appreciate this. Id been gone from Lemmy for a bit but just unsubbed from all the .ml groups I had.
Lemmy.ml seems to just downvote different opinions in masse without responding with respect.
After a few attempts to engage respectfully and just getting negative interactions I just blocked them entirely.
I’m new here and did not realize that, at first, I was only seeing .ml. I was so uncomfortable with the Russian/Chinese propaganda I created an account and ended up switching to this community mainly by accident. Glad to see my discomfort was justified.
since alot of us have migrated from reddit we see the same type of content, so it was easy to recognize it here, and i usually block them.
If they can’t outright censor it (such as if it’s off-instance) then mass downvoting is all they have left to try and control the narrative.
I tried to tolerate .ml because they’ve got some good linux and foss focused communities. Ultimately I decided it wasn’t worth it.
With genocide apologist defederated, another comnunity will surely take its place. A community that’s purpose is not to poison your mind.
cause nobody wants to get dragged into a ten page discussion about why China and Russia are the most democratic countries in the world
Every time a ml/hexbear community that I might be interested in pops up on my feed, I block it, then manually search for a non-tankie version of the same thing and immediately subscribe. The amount of pro-authoritarian content I’ve been exposed to has dramatically dropped.
I just instance blocked them, good riddance. Too bad I do occasionally have to see posts from their users on other instances.
I just instance blocked them
How do?
im on the browser, so you can go to: profile>settings> BLOCKS tab> scroll down and you will see the instance option.
On the website, you can go to your profile and there should be a list of blocked instances you can add them to
You can block the users too! At least on connect, and I think on voyager as well.
i started blocking a ton of ml users, i was wondering why they kept showing up, thier posts keeps appearing on my feed until i blocked the instance.
I’m on boost and it doesn’t have that option (I think)
You can do it one user at a time, I don’t think you can block all of them.
you can instance block, just foundout by going to SETTINGS>BLOCKS> scroll down all the way to the instance option and block them there.
I always go in and argue with those Tankie fucks when I have time, but I haven’t even seen them in the feeds lately.
Active Operators will block know counter propaganda operatives since they know it is a futile exercise.
Lmao, nah
The intention of the exercise is not to appeal to propogandists. It is to inform readers who stumble upon propoganda.
If what you claimed were true then the offending instances would not ban us for speaking the truth. They need to scrub clean our presence because we’re effective.
In a recent discussion in the Matrix chat, it was mentioned that donations to support development have recently fallen off quite steeply. I mentioned my reason for not donating anymore is because I can’t support anyone who runs an instance like .ml. @nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there, but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.
Nutomic also said that trans identity was western propaganda and has doubled down on that statement several times.
Are women bourgeois?
You see comrade everyone gets their assigned gender in the gender line at the age of 10, is simple no?
Read this in a shitty Russian accent that is slowly becoming a vaguely Ukrainian accent because I have played too much Stalker.
I really need to play disco elysium
Can you link to that?
just a post about nutomics post, but at least there is a screenshot:
https://lemmings.world/post/23484515
Also nutomic is a transphobe
https://lemmy.ml/post/18761554
Which is reason enough to not give them any money in my book
Checks the screenshots. Extremely mid take regarding sports that’s shared by a lot of people that aren’t terminally online. Transphobe, alright.
“biological men” is a dead giveaway. Just because a lot of people are transphobic doesn’t mean it’s okay.
Transphobia is bullshit no matter what. Deal with it.
If we all stop donating to Lemmy just because the devs are being tankies, how will Lemmy survive?
I don’t want to go back to the bot-ridden reddit with its elon-simping CEO.
If the devs being tankies kills this space then it doesn’t matter.
I like Lemmy too, but i don’t like it enough to financially support transphobic fascists.
Every service or product we use is owned by powerful people far worse than the Lemmy developers.
If we all boycott lemmy and let it burn then we have go back to profit oriented bot infested social media at the end. By design lemmy isnt owned by lemmy devs and we can block their instance by a single click.
This is something i can choose to contribute to.
If I didn’t have to buy food from megacorps I wouldn’t.
How are pro-genocide fake-communists (russia is an authoritarian capitalist state, China is a capitalist society) any better than American oligarchs?
The publicly stated dictatorship instead of the still struggling democracy is the main difference.
China has a dictator who will erase you if you step out of line.
In the US I step out of line every day and am still mostly protected by free speach laws, if the fascist regime ever tries to hurt me or my family/friends I also am allowed to own guns to defend them with.
There is always another site or an community.
That’s a fair question, and maybe we should be concerned. They’re already saying development will stop without more donations.
There are alternatives. Projects have died or been forked before because of the actions of their developers. OrganicMaps comes to mind (they are both a fork of something, and recently a new fork was started to detach from the developers (I can’t think of the name).
I’m just one person, but I’m not going to give .ml any financial support, you can be sure of that.
I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there
I’m in the modlog a lot so I can confirm that that is true, however, like @fiddlesticks@lemmy.dbzer0.com mentioned, he shares a transphobic flavor of their mindset sooo yea
but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.
LMAO “Donate directly to me and you won’t have to worry about it! Butttt it’ll still go to the exact thing you’re opposed to.”
@nutomic@lemmy.ml said I could donate directly to him since he doesn’t do as much moderation over there
Having observed a few different types of small team dynamics in my time, my speculation from a distance is that nutomic is the sensible one who does the bulk of the actual work, and dessalines is the other one.
He kind of has my sympathy and I do like Lemmy as software and it is clearly a good thing, but at the same time, at this point in the world if someone on your team is working to silence anyone who talks about Russia in unflattering terms, you can go fuck yourself as far as I am concerned. I am happy their instance is failing and I hope it keeps on failing until they stop doing legwork for murder, tyranny, rape, and torture. Honestly, “I wish my internet place had more users and people didn’t make fun of me so much” is a pretty mild negative consequence to experience from that.
Nutomic thinks trans people are bourgeois propaganda
Given how the tankie mind works, that probably means that they are actually russian propaganda.
Lol good point
but also mentioned that donations for development go towards server costs for .ml. Hell no.
Having taken donations for similar shit before: isn’t that illegal if they aren’t open about it? Had I done that with my donated money I’d have been sued out my fucking ass
Nutomic is .ml, not doing much moderation is an excuse probably because he has underlings to do it for him.
Glavset must be tightening its belt.
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Cutting off funding because of political differences is stupid. Would you rather this go down the same path as Reddit?
If the political difference is between building a multistory carpark or underground carpark with a park on the ground level, sure, it’s stupid. If the political difference is “Russia does nothing wrong, Ukraine deserved to get invaded because of nazi” and “Russia is to blame for being the aggressor”, then it’s definitely not.
You’re allowed to fund propaganda machine, and people allowed to not do it.
Why are you using the propaganda delivery system they created?
I’m not using lemmy. ml
Lemmy was made by .ml admins. Why do you use Lemmy?
See you all on reddit ✌️😁
If you peddle propaganda and justify genocide and wish more genocide on the world, I side with the people you deem stupid every single time.
By the same logic you are supporting genocide by using the platform they developed. See how you can make dumb connections like that?
Just had a ml user tell me russians never did a crime against humanity since all they did was kill nazi collaborators and continue to do so today.
You are doing your mental gymnastics to side with people like that. Not a nice look .
And you are using the platform made by .ml admins so you are doing the same. I’m not condoning anyone’s politics or opinions. Just be morally consistent. If you don’t support their views then why are you using a platform they developed?
Because i was not aware those pieces of shit developed it. Because i am on a federation made by people those monsters want all to be genocided and im not paying a single dime. Thus they are working for free to improve the platform i’m on. Platform that is used to counter russian propaganda.
Lol ok bud. Maybe calm down with the rhetoric. Far left is never going to have the amount of power you think they currently have meanwhile there is an actual Nazi uprising all over the world.
(different user here)
No, but I want the funds to only be used for Lemmy development, not for their tankie server. They are the ones that make it impossible to do one without the other.
Ok have fun going back to reddit then when the platform becomes abandonware.
Ooor I can make it clear where I draw the lines, and hopefully get the developers not to spend the donations on their tankie server. Weird how that works, right?
Guess you can’t draw the line at using the platform they developed however.
And why should I? Can you make an argument for how using their platform is supporting their tankie server on a comparable level to sending them money?
A bit hypocritical to continue benefitting off of their labor and time by using the platform but their political views is where you draw the line, yet you continue to use the platform. Maybe if you actually believed in what you said you would stop using the platform and go back to reddit. But do go on and preach from your virtue signaling high horse about how paying $30/per month for their server coet (which they use as a testing bed) is too much for you to handle.
It’s not political differences, really. Go ahead and be communist, I don’t care. It’s the heavy handed moderation style. It’s a 1 sided instance and anything to the contrary gets deleted and a time limited ban. They go against exactly what they think they stand for.
I was against blocking them because i dont want to create an echochamber(and i still support this on an instance level) but after they banned me and just keep downvote bombing anyone whos not a fucking poo tin or whinnie boot licker i had to block them.
they were never posting/arguing in good faith, ml and hexbear are insular echo chambers. the amount of posts i accidentally entered in ml and hexbear were all badfaith arguments. i pointed out sg1 in some propaganda discussion, and they called it to “liberal propaganda”
And when you say anything anti-Hamas or Stalin you get people who just continue to insult you and downvote bomb you.
I joined Lemmy in November. By New Years I had independently figured out what was wrong with .ml and its users.
The less of that garbage, the better.
What app so you use to browse lemmy and how do I block .ml?
