Why do some people in the USA assume all immigrants are illegal and should "go back to where they came from"? Shouldn't that logic apply to all non-Native Americans? - eviltoast

Not everyone thinks this, but I know an extreme right-winger who thinks this. He is also a conspiracy theorist who thinks non-white people are out to get white people so, yeah, odd.

Not every immigrant is illegal or bad. I know a girl who didn’t speak English for 3 years when her family legally immigrated, so of course she’s been told this.

  • DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works
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    2 days ago

    The answer to your question is right in your question.

    “Logic”

    Cold, hard logic no longer applies. Reality is manufactured now. Pointing out a logical fallacy doesn’t change anyone’s mind if that logic doesn’t coincide with their ideology.

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    Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist. In my experience, if you reply with yeah this is a problem we need to change how it works so people arent forced to do illegal things, they will tell they just dont want them here. Its not about coming in illegally its about non white people coming here. We really need reform. Your friend is on very sad and dangerous path.

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      Id say about 90% of folks that push for this dont understand how our immigration/asylum system works other 10% would be hateful racist.

      It feels like the percentages are the other way around.

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        Eh I feel like its harder to find a racist than it is to find a dummy. Most people just dont understand why they are doing so bad at life so they need someone to blame

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    The oligarch owned media/government/education system wants the working class fighting each other rather than going after the real parasites (the oligarchs). They use 24/7 cradle to grave propaganda to convince people that the threat comes from “others” instead of the bosses. Easier to get people to punch down.

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      24/7 cradle to grave propaganda

      A very astute observation… They get the plebs we we are younger and you parents are fucking bootlicker larping it too.

      Disgusting

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      1. Not all US cirizens feel this way. Convict47 won by 1.5%, with 19 million less voters Thant the previous time. Voter suppression won this election.
      2. And for the ones that feel this way, you’ve got it absolutely right, plain old ignorant racism.
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    someone called my Ukrainian coworker a wetback.

    i just… want you to think about that and what it says about how dumb bigots are

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      I feel both superior and stupid at the same time in this moment. I don’t know what a “wetback” is. Based on context I’m going to guess it’s some kind of racist remark that doesn’t apply to Ukrainains. But for the life of me, I can’t think of what it would even be saying.

      So I feel stupid for not knowing…but also like I’m probably the better person for NOT knowing.

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          A thousand guesses, and I would have eventually landed on it being against Latinos (necause there’s only so many races). But I never would have correctly guessed the Rio Grande part.

          That’s some very very specific racism right there.

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            Biologically, there are no multiple human races. There is a single human species. Socially, there are an infinite number of races.

            The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.

            wiki

            The use of races to distinguish people socially is playing right into the racists’ playbook by forcing you to play on their turf, where reason is out of the window.

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        Unfortunately I’m familiar with the term. It refers to Latin people immigrating into the U.S. without documentation by swimming across the Rio Grande river which forms part of the border between the U.S. and Mexico.

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      So… looking at the context and the intent, is it pure racism even if they didn’t come up from the south? It’s bigoted, I guess?

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    Oh i have no doubt they tell native Americans to go back where they came from. Especially folks like Tejanos who speak Spanish and used to be Mexican.

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    “Shouldn’t that logic apply to…”

    One must remember that people aren’t logical. They’re hypocritical and willfully ignorant.

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    A lot of people are influenced by alt-right news (Fox News, Newsmax, OAN) who keep repeating the false claim that undocumented immigrants are mostly gangsters and violent criminals. In truth, undocumented immigrants are way less likely to commit a violent crime than an average American citizen.

    Trump said, regarding the first deportation flight:

    Three hundred people sitting on a plane. Every single one of them is either a murderer, a drug lord, a kingpin, the head of the mob, or a gang member

    Yet none of those deportees had any criminal conviction in either country (according to Newsweek, a slightly-right news source).

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      remember: oligarchs are the real criminal enemy, not your fellow 99.9%

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    those people are looking for something to hate. This is also why those kind of people are deadend for humanity. If they get rid of all immigrants they will find some other group to hate and after getting rid of those they will find another again until there are only 2 people that want to kill eachother, if you excuse the hyperbole.

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    Yesterday, at a park, I saw some Patriot Front (a neonazi group) posters on two adjacent polls. One was something about the “American spirit” descending from “European blood”. The other said “America is for Americans”. Without a hint of irony.

    As if Europeans didn’t immigrate but just popped out of the ground here, or something?

    Racists aren’t known for their critical thinking skills.