Assuming bad faith over everyone who disagrees with you is a first step to fanaticism and vulnerability to external opinion.
Weaponizing tribe mentality to reach your goals is very bad long-term, and makes yourself susceptible to the same trap.
Lemmy, unfortunately, is very prone to that. Remember that time people called here for Biden to step down and were downvoted into oblivion? Where were they when he actually stepped down and everyone started cheering for Harris all of a sudden?
There are valid reasons to NOT vote for the Democratic party in these elections, even if you clearly don’t side with the Republicans.
Bye Felicia.
If they spent that energy campaigning for election reform instead of harassing Lemmy users I’d find it more convincing.
Sorry, guys. I’m voting for the only candidate that can end global warming.
This is the 3rd party I’ve been waiting for.
Please don’t play with my emotions
Giant Meteor / Butt Stuff ‘24!
This time we’ll get it in the end!
BOHICA.
Do you have a newsletter I can sign up for?
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Maybe the most egregious example of this was something I saw yesterday, which was somebody saying “Tim Walz needs to go vegan”. When pressed about why him and not, say, Donald Trump, they said that people on the left and center were more likely to actually be swayed. It wasn’t worth engaging any further, but I thought it was pretty hilarious that they bothered to try to push the 60-year-old VP candidate to go vegan, but not the 40-year-old VP candidate. Like, you know that you’re not pushing the needle for anybody with that post, right?
It’s about as useless as making a post saying that JD Vance should hang dry his clothes instead of wasting energy running a clothes dryer.
Suggesting it’s easier to convince a Midwestern football coach/car dad to go vegan than an NYC germaphobe is a level of optimism I have never seen
Look pal, the general said “sow division” amongst whatever socio-political lines we can see, ok? Why Do You Hate Black Vegan Catholics???
(/s obl.)
A trolley barrels towards a bunch of construction workers stuck on the tracks.
- If you pull the first lever it will divert and only kill one person.
- If you don’t pull the first lever it will kill 100 people, including that one person from before - he’s standing before the track change.
- But, and now this is key, there is a second lever to the right of the first that says “Display lever only, does nothing.” It does nothing.
What do you do?I couldn’t possibly pull either lever, that would put blood on my hands! Instead I spend all day on Lemmy urging everyone to pull the display lever. This is different from me touching any levers directly, because reasons.
Get on the tracks with them. We die together.
You blame someone else. It’s definitely not your fault, it definitely cannot be that.
Is doing my Jason Russell impression an option?
I said throw shit onto the track to try and stop the trolley once.
The philosophy majors did not like me pointing out it was ridiculous to imagine the problem existing in a void with an absolute limit on possible courses of action.
They liked it even less when I reminded them that the problem was invented to make fun of them by a philosopher who was arguing that both courses of action were ridiculous conclusions to reach given the broader context of a trolley crash not existing in a vacuum.
Thought experiments in the void is how we got the declaration that feathers and lead weights were affected by different rates of gravity.
Cool, so if you dont vote for Harris, you’re wasting your vote.
I also think philosophy is mostly dumb. But there is a vacuum here, shitty democracy or fascism. You can throw shit on the tracks, that just means one less vote against fascism
I was talking about the philosophy problem itself not the FPTP vote. As you could probably guess from the context of me dunking on the philosophy majors so much.
They’re not here in good faith and I don’t believe they ever were.
Where are all the Russian plants, oops I mean true progressives, at to tell us we’re just not leftist or progressive enough and Jill is totally definitely only ever trying to improve things for the country, ignoring her meeting with Putin and aides, and also Kamala is literally no different than Trump! Universalmonk, verdantbanana….i need you to straighten OP out! /s
Jill is too mainstream, I’ve voting for Rachele Fruit of the Socialist Workers Party!
Oh you’ve changed the candidate you’re backing, huh? You are a very serious voter with real principles and values, Mr. Monk.
Vermin Supreme for Every Elected Position 2024. The one true choice.
A mandatory tooth brushing law is the most un-American bullshit I can think of.
Not the hero we deserved, but the hero we needed. Nothing less than a knight, shining…
I was gonna try and write a comment 1upping you because I didn’t think Rachele Fruit was a real person, but then I decided to look her up just to double-check. Nope! She’s actually a real person.
She’s the next President of the United States
Hail to the Fruit
look i have had the choice for with or without lube for half a century now. Thing is saying I don’t want to get sodomized at all just results in the default of without lube. I hate it with lube but I really, really hate it without.
I would rather someome vote for a party other than Dem or Rep, than not vote at all.
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Average lemmy world user. Yall call people tankies the same way maga calls people socialists.
Oh look, a TANKIE
… Because I want people to vote? I did not expect that to be a hot take.
Encouraging people to vote third party in a two party system is enabling Fascism as those votes should go to Harris. Trump is a fascist. If you are arguing in good faith, I can explain why. But I feel like you’re not, hence, Tankie.
Wild.
May have been misinterpreted as a flat “I would rather someone vote for a party other than Dem or Rep” without “than not vote at all” to contextualize it.
“Misinterpreted” is a funny way to spell “illiterate”.
Voting for a third party in our two party system is throwing your vote away. Based on polling, a vote for a third party is a vote for Trump.
Take whatever you have against Harris and balance it against what a second Trump administration will bring.
TLDR it’s Fascism. Voting for any third party is signing off on Fascism.
If you’re an accelerationist, your side is not going to win. What you want is terrible and you’re a terrible person.
Tankie is the nicest way I could describe you.
It’s actually far worse.
You’re a Fascist sympathizer.
“Anyone who doesn’t think exactly like me is a fascist.”
Do you not see how this is abrasive? Do you think you are swaying anyone to your side with this kind of discourse?
Where’s that universalmonk blyat?
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You can’t call any of them by name, unlike Beetlejuice. You have to post something positive, even mildly so, about the Harris/Walz campaign. Then all the little rats come scurrying over to tell you how you’re a genocide stan and any real American should be voting for Cornoliverill Stein de la Fruit, and it’s definitely not because daddy Putin said so.
I broke the script the other day when they said they were ok with a trump second term. That they weren’t afraid of trump. I highlighted the conservative judicial appointments impact the working class and minority groups and they simply couldn’t address it.
I don’t have to explain anything to you.
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Discouraging 3rd party voting hurts democrats more than anyone. Studies show that 3rd party presidential candidates largely bring out people that would not have voted otherwise and largely benefit the democratic party down-ballot.
Don’t tell your apolitical friend about how they shouldn’t vote for Cornel. Don’t tell your friend about how voting for a 3rd party is pointless. Don’t tell your friend to vote for your person. Tell them to vote.
Edit: here’s my receipt.
Independent voters supported Democratic candidates over Republican candidates, 49% to 47%, according to the exit poll by Edison Research for CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS. According to the AP VoteCast survey for The Wall Street Journal and Fox News, independents supported Democrats over Republicans, 42% to 38% … While independents nationally voted for Democratic candidates by just 2 points, they supported Arizona Sen. Mark Kelly over Republican challenger Blake Masters by 16 points, Georgia Sen. Raphael Warnock over Republican Herschel Walker by 11 points (in the Nov. 8 election), and, for senator from Pennsylvania, John Fetterman over Republican Mehmet Oz by a whopping 20 points. ( My note on Fetterman, this was before the stroke)
And from a casual perspective, telling people their vote is pointless is (a) a way to show them you’re an asshole, (b) mostly pointless, and © quite possibly true regardless of how they vote.
I like it. Tell them to vote, then encourage them to vote for Harris (especially if you’re in a swing state).
You can try that, but they should be separate conversations. Have one conversation about how voting generally is good. Then have another conversation about candidates. Trying to roll it all in one will still discourage those types of voters for the partisan appearance.
What does MRW mean? I’m old.
I fcking knew it. These people can’t go one minute without bringing that place up. It’s disgusting.
My Reaction When…
Cool, thank you
Yeah, I’m gonna continue with my lesser evil voting like I do every election. The Democrats pinky promise that they will put forth good policy in the next election cycle.
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Nothing gets better permanently under Democrats. Nothing gets better under Republicans. You sir or ma’am, are a moron, and a traitor to the Republic. You’ve chosen the side of traitors. You’re either a shill, or a willing idiot. Your kind have a new world to face. One without your comfortable lies instead of inconvenient truths. Now your kind along with everyone else your kind has doomed, has to face harsh realities. Enjoy the apocalypse. Should be a show.
Did you know that one hundred percent of democrats die?
Chuck Schumer will live forever.
Him and Mitch the turtle, bickering at each other during the heat death of the universe.
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