Me, an old west cowboy exiting a salon: “Would be a shame if I had to draw this here hip-iron.”
Varment Buscadero Up to No Good pointing his own pistol right at my chest: “Draw, you yellow-bellied sarsaparilla swillin’ son of a gun. Imma gonna plug you good and proper, 'for ah take that there horse.”
As the fastest gun in the west, I smoothly withdraw my six-shooter and plant all six rounds perfectly through his chest before he can even twitch his trigger finger.
“Gosh darnit. Them ammo rounds worth more than mah old sway-back, Trixie. Gonna have to visit the old general store and spend mah last plugged nickel, fore ah mosey on outta this here pig swallow.”
“Exiting a salon”
You can skimp on ammo, but not on looks.
The fucks wrong with a 9mm
if it takes you 20 shots to neutralize a threat at point-blank, I don’t think you should be allowed to own a gun
Fun thing in Australia, you don’t need to be able to hit a target to get a gun licence. Licences tests are more focused on firearm safety.
I mean, that’s how it should be. Just like getting drivers license requires you to demonstrate you can drive safely, so should a firearms license.
Drive safely and not hit things even.
In my country we’re required to set an acceptable lap time around the local racetrack.
Local race track, formerly air field, future housing project.
5.7 is known to be pretty terrible for its “stopping power” for lack of a better term. Its a handgun round design to penetrate body armor. In doing so it had to make sacrifices in bullet dimensions and weight. It performs similarly to a .22 magnum round which is a frankly wimpy cartridge meant for small game like rabbits.
So 20 rounds to stop a human isn’t stretching the truth too much.
But 20? Like if you get shot once, hell, more than once, wouldn’t you just more or less drop from the pain?
In high stress situations people frequently don’t even realize they got shot until after the adrenaline wears off. In my EMR course they trained us that we need to physically check for bullet wounds ourselves if a shooting was suspected because you can’t rely on the victim knowing that they’ve been shot.
That’s why mag dumping is more or less standard practice in survival situations. Sure, 1 bullet may kill the person, but it probably won’t do so for several minutes and until then you’ve only pissed them off. So you shoot and keep shooting until they actually drop. Which, when you’re talking about a particularly wimpy round like the one above, can take far more bullets that most people expect.
Kind of like how I unload an entire can of bug spray at the wasp that came into my house.
As a European this is my only frame of reference.
Your money or your life!
Life please. Make sure and line it up properly though, I don’t want to end up a vegetable.
Now go and pick them up like you did with nerf rounds as a kid
This all could have been avoided with a Discworld-style Thieves Guild
20 rounds of 5.7x28 are like what, 10 to 30 bucks when bought in bulk? I don’t know how that contrasts with carrying a $700 gun around.
Just checked online: $0.40 to $1.50 per round. $8 to $30 for the 20 rounds.
Uh because the gun isn’t consumable and the ammo is???
Look at this guy, carrying around a used gun.
5.7 has gone down in price with more guns coming out it in. Buying 20 rounds of defensive ammo in 5.7 in 2019 would have easily been much more than $30. Still less than $700 but probably more than just handing over all your cash
I want to say 5.7 went up 2019/2020 something crazy, there are old forum threads referencing pricing on Ammoseek from around that time, about $1.8 per round is the most expensive I could find.
But yeah, I didn’t even check the date on the original post.
*Maths
Sorry to be pedantic, but I believe it’s spelled “maffs”
- Mathematical
- Anti
- Telharsic
- Harfatum
- Septomin
It’s not about the money
Yeah, it’s logistically much easier to buy more ammo than to have to replace IDs, credit cards, family photos, etc.
Haha I love the idea of a PS90 …it’s fun when used safely at a range not as a cosplay element for the gravy seals. But the cost of the ammo has kept me from impulse buying one…I don’t any any cool weapons currently but I also don’t need them.
Because my trebuchet is full of threats.
This is the same reason I don’t own a Five-seveN
Chiappa rhinos and 357 magnum aren’t insanely expensive tho. It’s tons of fun to shoot too
What would you recommend for a personal weapon? Assuming the proper training happens too
While much depends on how a weapon fits and feels while using it, an honest appraisal of your abilities and your commitment to practice and where you think you will use that firearm for defense.
While the .357 magnum is still considered the best “one shot man stopper” round even yet today, the bulk and weight of a revolver chambered in .357 coupled with the heavier recoil makes it less appealing to most shooters. Plus it is a lot more expensive to practice with. The current standard handgun thinking is 9mm is the correct choice. It’s popular with militarizes around the world because it’s cheaper to make and it’s easier to train raw recruits in a reasonable amount if time to be at least adequate in it’s use. That also tend to hold true for civilians.
A “nightstand gun” vs “carry guns” is another issue. A home defense gun that doesn’t get carried can be larger and heavier than one you might want to regularly carry. Carrying a pistol can be a pain in the ass after a long day.
Think about where you might need to use that gun. A home defense gun in an urban area or inside an apartment, over penetration is a serious issue. A lot of rounds can easily go through walls and kill someone sleeping on the other side. The .357 is one of them and 9mm is not a lot better either. Oddly enough, the 5.56 rifle round, when tested, tends to penetrate walls less often than many self-defense handgun rounds - YMMV. An AR15 could be the safest choice for many.
My personal choice for a self-defense handgun is a 9mm SIG P365XL, (no safety version). It fits my XXL hand very well, points naturally when acquiring the target, and I like the flat trigger and sights. My wife prefers the S&W 9mm EZ, (manual safety plus grip safety). She likes the fit and the slightly less muzzle flip between shots.
Thank you very much for that nice well thought out summary…I will say despite the 357s stopping power I’ve see enough crime shows with cops facing a guy with an automatic weapon while they struggle to reload a sex shooter to know I need a semi automatic, because in my head I am a hero…but my logic knows I’m not…yet.
Time for me to get some lessons
they struggle to reload a sex shooter
They make a pill for that!
