Bro, I think you have a tanky kink. For every tanky I actually see, I swear I see five or more posts from you complaining about them.
Just admit it: you want to be dominated by tankies so your asshole can be nationalized for the good of the people.
Edit: I am joking!
I wanna be rolled over by a tank after reading this.
I’m sure some tankies would oblige if you ask nicely.
There is a push by alt-right types to claim tankies are the alt-right of the left:
Which completely overlooks how limited and deenergized tankies actually are.
They’re limited in general, but they’re all over lemmy for some reason.
Because the creators are tankies. Lemmygrad and lemmy.ml are the creators’ own instances.
Uh.
You have fun projecting your fantasies onto others, I suppose.
Sorry for being uncomfortable with atrocity denialism. Guess that’s weird to you.
atrocity denialism
supporting literal genocide
Wow y’all have really lost the plot huh.
Seriously, it’s concerning. My entire front page of federated instances is just liberals knee jerk hating on leftists using tired old talking points that have been debunked hundreds of times already.
You blue MAGAts are going to get shit on in November and I’m going to laugh all the way home.
If you spent half this energy trying to help people, the blues would win every election for a century.
You okay lib?
Given every time I’ve responded to PugJesus, you’re giving me shit in short order, sock puppet account confirmed!
I was actually just joking but forgot my /s.
I was actually just joking but forgot my /s.
Schrodinger’s Douchebag
I was actually just joking but forgot my /s.
Poe’s law. A lot of people on here genuinely think there aren’t any tankies, despite the fact that a toe dip in most of these threads will show people with such delightful takes as “Authoritarian is a word made up to discredit communists” and “Soviet Secret Police were just a necessary defense against reactionaries!”
“Soviet Secret Police were just a necessary defense against reactionaries!”
How is that any different from pretending tankies support the Antebellum South?
You liberals sure are suspiciously enthusiastic when it comes to the exact same hyperbolic propaganda.
Sun Yat Sen is actually known to have also came to the conclusion that Lincoln was some degree of Proto/Para Socialist leader, his map for the Republic of China was based in part off that impression of Lincoln and his political theories and policies.
Mao was a pretty big fan of the US as well until they didn’t give him weapons. Then It was all “ok buddy Stalin”
Castro and Ho Chi Minh as well, Castro was actually receiving American support initially before he got cut off, IIRC either because he was being a bit “too” revolutionary for his backers’ liking or because Bautista negotiated his way back into America’s good graces.
Ho Chi Minh had petitioned the US for diplomatic assistance with France, and the US might have been persuaded to provide it until France declared they would switch sides to the Warsaw pact if the US breathed a word of it to them and didn’t help them shut it all down (this was after the US had absolutely humiliated them in the Suez crisis and Marshall plan conditioning), before proceeding to shrug and leave the US holding the bag for the mess they made anyways.
tl;dr, God Damn The French!
either because he was being a bit “too” revolutionary for his backers’ liking
It was this one - of course, not allowing US corporations to use Cuba as their personal toilet doesn’t strike me as very “revolutionary.”
Same Marx letter: “While the workingmen, the true political powers of the North, allowed slavery to defile their own republic, while before the Negro, mastered and sold without his concurrence, they boasted it the highest prerogative of the white-skinned laborer to sell himself and choose his own master, they were unable to attain the true freedom of labor, or to support their European brethren in their struggle for emancipation; but this barrier to progress has been swept off by the red sea of civil war.”
Unfortunately it wasn’t actually swept off, instead of “at least we aren’t slaves” it’s “at least we aren’t the periphery” that became the boasted prerogative making core country labor feel like it has more investment in the system and more to lose than it actually does, and keeping them demanding anti-immigration and anti-trade and bombs to maintain hegemony.
talk about making up a guy to get mad at lmao
I can never tell when tankies are arguing in bad faith, or legitimately not understanding the point. Not that it really matters in the end, I suppose, lol
Some large number of them are larping facists trying to troll.
No doubt. Unfortunately, some are certainly genuine.
Yup. I keep saying this about places like Hexbear. From my interactions, the majority seem to be True Believers™. People keep mistaking the “authoritarian first, and leftist maybe third or fourth (but sometimes nothing but lip-service)” attitudes as fascism. However, they are two completely different forms of authoritarianism. Sure, both tend to celebrate summary executions and use LGBTQ+ people as a means to an end but, the desired end is different.
It’s the lead.
“hey guys my enemies are all commie nazi condeferate and every other bad thing I can think of! I am the serius one”
lol
Yeah, a Tankie would never resort to such a tactic
I certainly hope they wouldn’t because it’s really silly and doesn’t seem very effective
edit:
I thought of one!
Now excuse me while I ragepost like a dozen stale memes about those damn literary Karens running free libraries as virtue signalling in racist petite bourgeois suburbs!
Idk who pissed in their cheerios but they’re going wild with shit memes about something
picture of Israelis using USA supplied arms to murder children
PugJesus: "look at these fine liberals stopping fascism and upholding democracy "
I mean Hamas got into power in Gaza by winning a plurality of the votes and then permanently “suspended elections” after that. And they talk a lot about past humiliations and wanting to restore the ethnic makeup of the region to the way it was in history books by ethnically cleansing Jews.
Whatever you might feel about Israel, Hamas covers pretty much every square on the fascist bingo card.
good point let’s just nuke Gaza /s
Silence child, adults are talking.
I wonder if they’d be extremists if they weren’t in such extreme conditions.
I’m pretty sure that had it been already fashionable back then for the powerful to use the word, the Résistance Française would’ve been called “terrorists” by the Nazis in occupied France.
That’s just a variant of the “We invaded Iraq to free them from the murderous dictator Saddam Hussein” argument of Republicans which sounds great until you notice that the 1.2 million deaths caused by the American invasion (around 140 thousand directly killed) massivelly dwarf the total of deaths caused by Saddam in his entire time in power.
Giving them the “peace of the grave” isn’t quite the “good deed” that one might thinking if fixated on the word peace.
Then there’s of course the small detail that Israel itself was subsidizing Hamas (curiously, just like the US was doing for Saddam originally) so the whole idea that what they’re doing now is really helping Palestinians, beggars belief.
After Iraq, that line of “argument” is beyond the “fool me once shame on you” stage and well into “fool me twice shame on me”.
Yeah and there’s also the “peace for our time” argument of Neville Chamberlain. How did that go?
Israel is not engaged in a war to secure oil supply like the US was in Iraq, you know damn well the reason why this war started and it’s not at all the same thing.
Then there’s of course the small detail that Israel itself was subsidizing Hamas
So are you arguing against Israel making a ceasefire deal? Seems you’re on Bibi’s side about not wanting to make any kind of deal with Hamas.
After Iraq, that line of “argument” is beyond the “fool me once shame on you” stage and well into “fool me twice shame on me”.
After Neville Chamberlain’s attempt to appease fascists, I think that’s the “fool me twice” kind of thing. You admit to knowing that Israel has made deals with Hamas in the past to appease them, so you’re just making more arguments against never negotiating with them ever again. Are you sure you’re not a Netanyahu supporter?
That’s a hilarious use of the Chamberlain example given that the large strong nation invading their neighbours and killing massive numbers of civilians is Israel, same as Germany was doing back them, and Israeli politicians, just like the Nazis, keep on spouting some of the most rabidly racist Fascist stuff (including such beauties as “human animals”, “final solution” and even sugesting the nuking of Gaza) since … well … the Nazis.
Appeasing Israel - the actual large nation occupying their neighbours and mass murdering civilians along etnic lines - would be the closest to what Neville Chamberlain did, but not even Chamberlain actually sent the large aggressor occupier nation Genociding people along etnic lines of his day free military support to accelerate their Genocide, so History from now on will look at Chamberlain with a far less critical view thanks to the present day examples of ultra-racist Fascist Genocide support from the likes of Joe Biden and Olaf Scholz.
Hamas is a fascist group that gained power with a plurality of the votes and never had an election after that. Their goal is to restore the ethnic makeup of the region to how it was in the history books. They make propaganda centered around past humiliations in war and promote the need for strongmen to make things right. They are misogynistic and homophobic. Promoting ethnic cleansing has always been a central policy for them, and on October 7 they moved up to genocide.
Sorry, but Hamas wins the prize for organizations most like the Nazis. And like the Nazis they are currently having their ass handed to them by a democracy.
Look at the photos of German cities at the end of WWII. Which city in the world currently looks like those photos?
Fascism is a self-destructive thing. The same way that the hatred of the Nazis brought about the destruction of Germany, The hatred of Hamas has destroyed Gaza. The German people turned away from the politics of hatred following WWII and that’s worked out really well for them. Sadly I’m not sure the same will happen for the Palestinian people because there are people far removed from Gaza that continue to promote hatred and refuse to acknowledge the evil of Hamas. The suffering of the Palestinian people won’t end until they can overcome their hatred.
Oh man, that’s hilarious.
“Israel razed up the version of the Warsaw Ghetto called Gaza which they themselves created for the etnicity of a neighbouring country, so now it looks like a post-war bombed out German city hence Hamas are more like the Nazis”
It’s like claiming that everybody who breathes is like the Nazis because Nazis breathed.
It’s pretty desperate to go look for stuff that Hamas didn’t actually do but was instead done to not even Hamas but Palestinians, by a completely different force who chose to do it, to claim that because it “looks like German cities at the end of WWII” hence Hamas are the ones more like the Nazis.
Guess what: the guys murdering tens of thousands of children who they call “human animals” along with the rest of an entire people, and who desire a “final solution” are the Zionists, not Hamas, and even if Hamas turn out to be Fascists and would be as bad as the Nazis if they had the chance, we don’t know that for sure whilst we do know with absolute certainty that Zionists are ultra-racist etno-nationalist Fascists just like the Nazis who are right know of their own choice purposefully murdering civilians just like the Nazis did.
Hamas isn’t even close to the level and kind of ultra-racists supremacist mass murder of civilians being commited by the Zionists along with the most racist dehumanizing excuses since the Nazis. The only in terms of Nazi-like actions and discourse anywhere close to Zionists are the actual Nazis, and even the Nazis didn’t purposefully target and murder children and journalists as much as Zionists.
In the Nazi scale, even when seen in the worst possible light Hamas are weak wannabes compared to Zionists.
I don’t like Hamas either also never mentioned them.
Just concerned with the fascist state next door that’s committing a genocide and the American government’s support of them in that genocide.
Israel is a democracy. It’s common for fascists to discredit democracy.
What are the signs you’d look for that would indicate that you’re in a fascist movement?
Space cowboy I like your name. I’m not going to argue with you. I believe that you honestly think that. The propaganda machine definitely wants you to.
Here are three things I find fascist and evil that Israel is doing.
Colonizing expelling and now committing genocide against an ethnic minority.
Banning news stations that disagree with you like Israel has banned Al Jazeera.
Having different kinds of citizenships with different rights for different people based on inalienable traits like race.
Always accuse the other side of that which you’re guilty of.
You didn’t answer the question, you just continued to accuse the other side (a democracy) of being fascist.
Again, what are the signs you’d look for to determine whether a cause you’re a part of is a fascist movement?
Bro I just gave you three signs with links to articles about all three…
Are you a bot? Please say the exact phrase. “I am not a bot” without quotes if you are not a bot.
I’m asking a question that you won’t answer and you’re the one just spamming links.
Are you a bot?
For a third time… what are the signs you’d look for to determine whether a cause you’re a part of is a fascist movement?
Those elections were for the West Bank too. They decided to stop holding elections because Israel blocked them from taking their place. At that point, why have elections?
There are local elections in the West Bank. There aren’t national elections because holding a national election in the West Bank only would be an admission that Gaza is a separate territory from the West Bank, so there would no longer be just one Palestine.
Well yeah, because West Bank is still controlled by the party Hamas beat in elections. The party that was beat because they’re an Israeli puppet.
OP obviously does not know the definition of a tankie.
C’mon, say it a third time, and maybe this time it’ll get some traction!
Well, someone is wrong. But it’s not OP.
It’s a new way of saying “commie”, used because it doesn’t instinctivelly make people think of McCarthism and the Red Scare as explicitly using words such as “commie” and “Communist” would.
In other words, rebranding, a Neoliberal speciality.
The Red Scare is not just a thing of the Fascist Far-Right over there: now that they’re even cozying up to Genocidal Fascists, the Oligarchic American Far-Right (a.k.a. Neoliberals or just Liberals) are also starting to use the same framing of “Everybody to the left us are Communists” as the Fascists, though, granted, they’re more modern and sophisticated than the Fascists and use focus groups and other market research techniques to evaluate the reception of their messaging, which probably showed that words such as “commie” don’t go well with their target audience, and things like “tankie” yield much better messaging interiorization and viral spreading thanks the absence of pre-existing skepticism associations, unlike with “commie”.
As more and more of the façade of Neoliberalism collapses and it becomes more and more obvious theirs is not a Political Ideology of Properity for the many, that their talk of Merit is complete total bollocks (every single one of the most celebrated “success stories” of the current Era were born rich) and that they’re just a slicker, well-funded, marketing-heavy modern pro-Oligarchy Ideology, expect an increase in their demonization of any and all political opponents, much of it already visibily in many countries were Neoliberals call themselves “center” and “moderate” and call any political party who is not Neoliberal “extremists” - equally for leftwing or rightwing - even though the Overtoon Window having moved so much to the Right in 4 decades means most of those to their left who they call extremists defend policies that were considered center-left in the 70s (unions, universal healthcare, social security, progressive taxation, consumer protection, market regulation, nationalized critical infrastructure) whilst to the right of the Neoliberals there’s just the Fascists.
It’s a new way of saying “commie”, used because it doesn’t instinctivelly make people think of McCarthism and the Red Scare as explicitly using words such as “commie” and “Communist” would.
In other words, rebranding, a Neoliberal speciality.
Oh shut up and get off your high horse, Tankie was literally created by communist party members after the Soviets brutally crushed Socialist Democracy in Hungary in '56, and gained more use by communists after the brutal crushing of Socialist Democracy in the Prague Spring of '68.
For 60 years Tankie has been a term used against Authoritarian socialists by democratic socialists. Neoliberals have nothing to do with yall deep throating every autocrat than can say “America bad”.
So “thankie” is now used in the US in the same sense as “commie” used to be used in the US: to imply that somebody is an authoritarian communist.
Which is what I wrote.
I never said or implied it the term was invented by neoliberals. I further never said it was used by neoliberals in the correct way, i.e. for actual authoritarian communists.
It’s exactly the core of the problem that neoliberals use “tankie” in the same way that “commie” used to be used by old fashioned capitalist: to imply that anybody to the left of them aren’t merelly center-right/center-left/left but actually the same as authoritarian communists.
It would be absolutelly fine if Liberals were using “tankie” to refer to actual authoritarian communists only, but that’s not what’s been happenning at least here in Lemmy: it’s been progressivelly applied to those less and less to the left (authoriarian or otherwise) to the point that it’s even used for people who disagree with Biden’s support for Zionism (an ultra-nationalist etnic fascist ideology) and the Genocide they’re committing, or in other words, against those who do not support an etnic cleansing by a fascist government (i.e- those to the left of a position extremelly far to the right of center).
This is similar to how in the old days “commie” was used for, say, people who were in favour of unions, though this present day usage of “tankie” is worse since back in WWII in American “commie” was not used to slander those that did not support the Nazis, though in Nazi Germany accusations of being a Communist were indeed used against anybody that disagreed with Nazism.
My complaint, which you basically brought up, but more specifically is the capitalist stooges are comparing militant communist of the cold war era to the people today that just want universal health care, more unions/stronger labor laws and better cheaper or god forbid free education.
lol right? Tankie just means uneducated troll who pushes “everyone is bad but me” and communicates largely in memes because they lack all original thought.
So by that definition you’re both tankies?
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Yes the definition was
You
I’ve encountered this one before. Their only purpose in life is to find a counter argument, and mock you for something. It is impossible to fight them because they aren’t trying to win or lose, just wear you down. They have no actual opinions on anything. And most likely, they feel like a total loser in real life.
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Oops, looks like you used the wrong picture
It’s hilarious how tankies never understand, or pretend to never understand, any meme presented that doesn’t involve worshipping authoritarians painted red.
how much does the kgb pay?
It’s the FSB now.
Oh, rebranding. Smart.
