Exclusive: Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump - eviltoast
  • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    When I was young my parents introduced me to some old school Communists; folks who’d fought in the Spanish Civil War and been blacklisted in the 1950s.

    One of the stories they told was that back in 1968 the oldtimers were warning people to vote for Hubert Humphrey because they knew how bad Nixon would be, Too many young folks then thought ‘both sides are the same.’

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      8 months ago

      I don’t know much about him, but reading that he lost the young people vote for supporting the Vietnam War is such a good parallel for today.

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        LBJ realized he’d made a giant mistake and hoped Humphrey could end the War. Nixon ran as a ‘peace’ candidate and made things much worse.

        Trump’s people would nuke the entire Middle East hoping to bring about the Rapture.

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          8 months ago

          At what point does Biden realize he’s made a giant mistake? You’re lecturing us for not paying attention to history. Is Biden?

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            8 months ago

            Turn it around.

            Can you lay out a detailed plan showing Biden exactly what to do? Something that covers not just the Palestinians and the Israelis, but alos the iranians, the sryians, the russians, the Saudis, and all the other interested and highly armed parties in the region?

            I have no idea how to restart a problem that’s been formenting since 1948, do you?

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                If you think it’s that simple, you probably believed Trump was going to get Mexico to pay for the Wall.

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                  You asked me a question and I answered it. Are you going to answer my question now?

                  At what point does Biden realize he’s made a giant mistake? You’re lecturing us for not paying attention to history. Is Biden?

                  Or hell, let me ask you. Given the choice between supporting Israel or Biden winning the election which would you choose?

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                    You’re very funny.

                    You act as if you have absolutely zero understanding of the complexities of the situation, and then demand that I ignore them, too.

                    Israel has nukes. Think they wouldn’t use them if Iran invaded? Think they wouldn’t throw a few at Mecca and Moscow as a farewell gift?

                    That’s just one thing I’ve thought about. Biden probably has fifty worse scenarios from people who have studied the situation for years.

                    Pretending that just stopping is a realistic option is childish at best.

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                8 months ago

                Biden can’t decide that

                It was decided by a treaty like 75 years ago.

                To overthrow it would take massive changes and breaking contracts. Doable, but not in the time frame you want.

                It really isn’t as simple as you think.

      • misspacific@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        8 months ago

        jesus, well this is cementing my choice to move to a deep blue state to get away from people politicizing my existence.

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          Assuming you’re in the LGBT spectrum … sorry to say even there you might not be safe if Trump gets a second term. Things have softened for the LGB so those folks might be okay, but trans folks … I’d be worried.

          It also weakens purple states and national power when blue voters move out of purple states… Personally, I’d highly encourage folks moving to purple states to turn them more blue.

          Michigan or Pennsylvania might be a good choice. I keep holding out for Ohio, but we need to give the gerrymandering issues (hopefully we finally will this year).

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            As a trans person in a deep blue state, I’m hoping my state’s politics give me just enough buffer time that I can find a way to GTFO before the gestapo comes for me

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            Yeah, nowhere is confirmed safe. Fascism is attempting to ascend. Welcome to the 1930s, get a passport and fill a backpack with non perishable calorie dense food.

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            Living in Ohio with my trans husband, we’re moving to Vermont this summer to get away from it all. I feel like I’m shirking my duty by taking our votes with us, but we really don’t want to be here come November. Ohio has gone to Trump two for two, and I’m not feeling lucky on number three.

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          Go to Vermont. Like, seriously. Even though that state has a republican governor, Vermont is like one of the few states that gives a shit about a lot of rights.

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      The communist party of America consistently votes democrat and doesn’t run a candidate. Same with the American Nazi party and republicans.

      My attitude is simple, deal with the problems you can impact. The 2024 elections will not result in a loss of support for Israel. A fascist wants to run a coup in America. That’s on the table, he’s running for president. That’s a problem we can deal with.

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        There’s a line from the last season of ‘The West Wing’ that I always think of.

        It’s election Day and the GOP and Dem campaign managers run into each other in the hotel bar. One turns to the other and tells this story.

        "Got into the cab at the airport and started chatting with the cab driver. He’s a really smart guy and we’re having a great chat. Just before I get out I ask him who he’s voting for today.

        "He shakes his head. Damn, he tells me, I forgot it was election Day.’

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          Yepppp, I’ve had to tell so many people. I think it’s one of the benefits I got from being raised by a dyed in the wool democrat. We’d argue over a lot as I was pretty radical even as a teenager, but she taught me the value of voting and participating in the democratic process. And arguing with her taught me the value of convincing everyday folks of your position.

          I hate to tell the demsocs that we probably won’t elect away the capital holding class, I’d love it if we could, but we won’t. But we sure as shit can fail to vote to keep our worker protections and environmental protections. And we can vote to get a better situation, it just won’t be a revolution all on its own.

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            8 months ago

            I wish I could force every school to show what the original New Deal programs would look like if implemented today.

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      We watched Donald do worse than Watergate on live news broadcasts.

      Hmm, what to do? Better throw my ballot in the trash, because I am against genocide. If anything gets worse under this openly racist putsch planner screeching about dictatorship and absolute immunity, well, there was no way to have seen that coming, right?

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      I mean I dunno maybe they shouldn’t have ran a guy named hubert humphrey, sounds like the name you’d give to a fictional whale in a children’s novel hoo lee