I was watching a video on Willem Dafoe on his iconic roles, and his passion to craft and life, and positivity, exudes from him immensely. In that video, I am surprised he remembers from which of his movies the lines came from. It made me love him more as an actor because he loves life and his job.
But then during the interview, I remembered too when I watched Kevin Spacey’s interview before, admiring him and it turned out he is a creep. I was telling to myself about Willem Dafoe “please don’t be a creep, please don’t be a creep.”
Willem seems like a genuinely nice guy though but I hope I don’t get proven wrong!
Edit: clarified the title
I don’t know who either of the people are. 17 seems odd to me to say that a person doesn’t know consent, as in the UK (where I’m from) it’s 16, and a lot of us were fooling around a year or two under that.
Demi Lovato was 17 when a 29 year old man groomed her into a relationship. If your stance is 17 was “fair game” for a 29 year old. Then you’re excusing 17 year olds being fucked by middle aged men and older. Wake the fuck up, they weren’t anywhere close in age. I’m in the UK too and I’d be fucking furious if some near 30 year old was after my daughter.
The point you are making is aside from consent though.
The person you’re replying to said it was grooming and inappropriate. Don’t move the fucking goalposts.
I’m not moving the goal posts. Read vaultboy’s post. Of the four sentences (if we ignore the apparent typo) three of them focus only on the age gap. The other establishes the premise of grooming and mentions the age gap again. Vaultboys point never addresses a 17 year old’s capacity to consent. Vaultboy makes a case that the age gap is objectionable. That is a valid point, it’s just not the one that they thought were making.
Grooming and propriety are entirely different standards from rape. From what I gathered, they were claiming the former. Valderamma is being accused here of being a creepy sleazebag, not a criminal child rapist.
I dunno. From ABCDE’s comments and Demi’s lyrics I was reading the conversation as being about the latter. I didn’t really see anyone making the case that Wilmer wasn’t being a creep.
That’s fair. Demi did mention consent in her lyrics. I interpreted that a bit differently (that she may have felt too young to fully understand consent, not that she felt she was violated without consent). But I see your point.