MacBook Pro, Core i5, 2.8 GHz (I5-4308U), model A1502 (EMC 2875), Retina Mid-2014 13", MacBookPro11,1, RAM 8 GB, VRAM 1.5 GB, Storage 512 GB SSD
vlc, tor, brave, firefox… are apps that I cannot download. Neither can I use mac’s app store, because software is too old.
What would be the point of not nuking this OS X?
Good time to install Linux and switch for good. You’ll save thousands of dollars over your lifetime if you stop buying Apple.
Sincerely, a former mac user from 1999-2016
That’s a very solid advice! I started dual booting all my old macbook with Fedora KDE and another on Pop_OS and they are doing ultra well.
You can try OpenCore Legacy Patcher: https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/MODELS.html
I would personally install Linux Mint on it, or any other modern distro. That’s a CPU that has ~3000 points on Passmark, which means that most DEs work fine with it, but I think that Cinnamon would shine the most with it. I personally use XFce/Mate for anything between 500 and 1200 points, Cinnamon from 1200+, KDE 2000+, Gnome 2500+. I use LXQT or a WM on anything below 500. I “save” old computers of friends or cousins by installing Linux on their old machines, and that’s been my experience so far.
Source: Passmark (CPU Benchmark).
Why are you asking this here?
All I can think of is battery life may take a hit. OSX is incredible with battery life.
That said I get decent battery life on Linux. 9 hours idle or light use…maybe more. Not sure yet because I just replace the battery.
Also the trackpad. Nobody comes close to Apples trackpad drivers. From palm rejection, to gestures, to just simply pointing. Not even Microsoft’s precision track pads can compete.
Usually the wifi chips are broadcom based so they can be really shit on linux, but that obviously depends on the model.
os x peaked at snow leopard
I would not use an old version of macOS. Not only insecure but more and more apps won’t work with it.
You could use a “modified” version of macOS to install a newer release on your machine. The performance may not be great.
I have a 2008 iMac, 2009 MacBook Pro, 2012 MacBook Pro, and 2017 MacBook Pro that all run Linux.
Linux on old hardware flies. You may be surprised. Also, you can run totally up-to-date versions of everything. My 2008 Mac is running the version of Firefox released 4 days ago.
Unless there is some Mac only software you absolutely must have, get macOS off there.
[Edit: You did it say what hardware you have but, if you are on Yosemite, your hardware must be 2009 or older as well. I run XFCE on EndeavourOS for what that is worth. ]
You could use a “modified” version of macOS
where do I get it?
My iMac is gathering dust. It can’t run Debian due to proprietary video shit, so all I get is a black screen at boot. Tried fedora and my USB mouse doesn’t work at boot, I have to unplug and replug every single time. Who knows what kind of proprietary assholery they did to the USB stack
I should just sell it but I’m keeping it for “what if one day I need to open some iWork files?” - although i already proven a month ago that it would not correctly open iWork documents created with the latest version
You can’t use icloud for iwork files?
Wait, there’s a web viewer for iwork files? Does it allow to save as a PDF? But I guess it wouldn’t handle missing fonts
Oh hey! I think I know the solution to this issue because I just went through it last week with an old 2009 iMac I’ve got laying around. I don’t think it’s really a proprietary video issue. It’s a problem with the bootloader handing over the GPU to the OS. As far as I was aware, the AMD graphics card in my iMac has an open source driver.
Edit: I tried to type out how to do it but my client crashed and I’m not up for doing it again, here’s a link that will help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/38780/how-do-i-set-nomodeset-after-ive-already-installed-ubuntu
I dunno. Can you build ios apps on it? Probably can’t put a new dev kit on I guess. That would be my use case, otherwise linux.
imac or macbook, what model and specs?
Because you can upgrade to 11 and even farther. It’s useful to have a macos device so you can use it to work on other macos devices. Like having a metric and sae set of wrenches. I might believe that metric is a stupid system of measuring and defining standards that ought never be in common usage, but I have the wrenches to turn the bolts.
You should most definitely upgrade to a new version of osx (and eventually macos11).
Because your restored os is so old you’re not gonna be able to do that the “normal” way. You already found that out!
There’s two ways to go: you can do it yourself, it’s a two step process, or you can have someone else help you, it’s a one step process.
To diy: you’re gonna go from 10.10 to 10.13(high sierra) and from there to either 10.15(Catalina), 11, or beyond with the opencore patcher.
Download and create a high sierra install media and boot from it to upgrade to high sierra, switching your disk to apfs in the process. Once that’s done you’ll be able to make Catalina or 11 install media.
If you run into problems downloading the install media, use the patchers on the dosdude1 website. They have a button you can click to save the files on your disk.
To have someone help you: have someone else make a Catalina, 11 or beyond install media on their mac and use it to upgrade yours. I haven’t ever tried to upgrade one from 10.10 to 11, so you may end up needing to flatten and reinstall.
If you do t feel like doing two installs and don’t know anyone with a mac you can stand to be around, go to an apple store nearby and explain to the person at the genius bar (that’s really what they call tech support) that you can’t upgrade from a nearly ten year old os and ask them to make you up an install media.
Some of this stuff can be counterintuitive but if you run into a roadblock just holler.
What’s wrong with metric?
Who cares. He was using metric wrenches as an analogy. The topic isn’t the value of metric literally.
I do that’s why I asked
how long is this “foot” measure?
oh, it’s about as long as a persons foot. there’s a ruler if you need to get precise.
thanks, that’s useful and easy to understand, what about the meter one over there?
it’s the distance light travels in a vacuum over the span of 1/299,792,458 of a second. you’ll want to use the meterstick, but it’s too long for practical measurements at the same scale as the foot.
wow, who came up with that?
the french.
e: also, long detailed helpful post explaing exactly how to resolve a problem that happens to use measurement systems as a point of comparison the only response: “motherfucker what’d you say about metric?!”
I’m American and our standard measurements drive me bugnuts. Especially at smaller scales. Me and fractions never did get along.
A meter is approximately the length of my arm which is approximately 3 feet in American. A foot is roughly 33 centimeters, also as you pointed out, the length of my foot. A centimeter is roughly the width of my pinky nail. A centimeter is 10 millimeters. A millimeter is small enough I’m breaking out the micrometer.
How far is it from my home to work? About an hour and a half going in to work, roughly an hour coming back. It’s roughly 50 miles, but expressing it as time makes more sense.
@StrawberryPigtails @bloodfart just use the new american scale system
1 atom
1 germ
1 pebble
1 cat
1 car
1 lizzo
1 truck
1 nikocado
1 planet
1 discord useri agree with you. people should be able to use whatever measurements work best for what they’re doing!
of course, that’s how we got the hogshead…
I mean it’s not really about as big of a persons foot though is it. It’s just it’s name, measurements are meant to portable and precise with a real definition. Not just about the size of someones foot who’s foot? Your foot? My foot? Those are probably off by several inches. Plus conversions are huge pain in the imperial measurement system which can lead to huge issues.
e: your opinion on measurement systems lowers my trust in your other opinions
How portable? How precise?
The foot, as I explicitly referenced in my reply, has a definition that can be easily referenced to increase its precision: a ruler.
Error of several inches would fall into the realm of “about as long”.
What conversions are a pain under sae measurements?
Very precise so when you measure something you get it’s length so that it’s length can be compared to other objects. And portable so that other people who don’t have access to your specific ruler can fashion a ruler of their own that will give measurements that are the same length as yours
An error of several inches in any real world use case for a measurement system could very well end in disasted.
And from inches to foot, foot to yard and foot to mile.
Metric is easier to remember conversations, easier to use, and is way more portable and precise
who the heck is out here fashioning their own rulers. can you imagine that for metric? “jim, you finish making that cut yet?” “no. i need to zero the chronograph so i can make a meter stick.” all measurement systems have inexact portable standards and i’d say it’s not something metric handles better than sae.
there are 12 inches in a foot, three feet in a yard and 5280 feet in a mile. you can use the little star button under this post to “save” it for later in case you forget and need to refer back. i’m not trying to be passive aggressive, i used to have to look up the foot to mile conversion a bunch before i did a stint of surveying.
can you explain what you mean when you say that metric is more portable or precise? what measurements are more precise or more easily made to their appropriate degree of precision with the metric system?
Ok now do inches to miles, what about distance bigger then those measured in miles what now? Try miles to yards without looking it up what about measurement smaller than a 1/16 of an inch? What are we just gunna start using even smaller fractions? 1/1000 of an inch? or would it be some arbitrary unit called a speckle or something that’s 18/29382 of an inch?
And no one makes their one rulers except physics labs, and maybe ruler manufacturers.
Metric has more precision due to its definition based on a universal constant. Imperial could have that to but it doesn’t shake it’s weird conversions. Yes they are easy if you are doing surveying work but there’s a reason scientists use metric. It’s much easier to check and use especially when dealing with scientific notation.
Also fun trick for feet to miles is 5-tomatoes = 5 two 8 Os
Now let’s do kilometers Oh wait it’s literally just it’s name 1000 meters
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The point is… actually there are multiple points:
- Very quick OS with a very good power management;
- There are modern browsers available for it;
- SSL root certificates can be updated;
- Even if you’re to keep some old software it will probably be more useful than whatever else you can find on Linux. At least you get real Adobe, real MS Office and friends :)
hi, I downloaded the ISRG Root X1 certificate file, followed the instructions, added ISRG Root X1 to System (not to login, not to system roots), marked it to always trust, rebooted, but I still cannot install firefox esr or tor
ETA: I cannot use this version of the application with this version of OS X (I have 10.10.5, the application requires 10.12 or later)
ETA: I cannot use this version of the application with this version of OS X (I have 10.10.5, the application requires 10.12 or later)
That has nothing to do with the root certificates. The root certificates just make it so any browser or whatever on the system can communicate with the internet. If you want a working browser use https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy
then all you mentioned about adobe and MS office is useless for this particular X version. I have no interest in a 10 year old adobe version
https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux and you’re golden
- That guide is outdated
- That guide is too new for that Mac. Mainline Linux will work fine for ~2015 Macs.
