I don't see the point of keeping OS X Yosemite 10.10.5 on my MacBook Pro, Core i5, software is so old SSL certificates are out of date, I can't update neither the stock software or any application - eviltoast

MacBook Pro, Core i5, 2.8 GHz (I5-4308U), model A1502 (EMC 2875), Retina Mid-2014 13", MacBookPro11,1, RAM 8 GB, VRAM 1.5 GB, Storage 512 GB SSD

vlc, tor, brave, firefox… are apps that I cannot download. Neither can I use mac’s app store, because software is too old.

What would be the point of not nuking this OS X?

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    Because you can upgrade to 11 and even farther. It’s useful to have a macos device so you can use it to work on other macos devices. Like having a metric and sae set of wrenches. I might believe that metric is a stupid system of measuring and defining standards that ought never be in common usage, but I have the wrenches to turn the bolts.

    You should most definitely upgrade to a new version of osx (and eventually macos11).

    Because your restored os is so old you’re not gonna be able to do that the “normal” way. You already found that out!

    There’s two ways to go: you can do it yourself, it’s a two step process, or you can have someone else help you, it’s a one step process.

    To diy: you’re gonna go from 10.10 to 10.13(high sierra) and from there to either 10.15(Catalina), 11, or beyond with the opencore patcher.

    Download and create a high sierra install media and boot from it to upgrade to high sierra, switching your disk to apfs in the process. Once that’s done you’ll be able to make Catalina or 11 install media.

    If you run into problems downloading the install media, use the patchers on the dosdude1 website. They have a button you can click to save the files on your disk.

    To have someone help you: have someone else make a Catalina, 11 or beyond install media on their mac and use it to upgrade yours. I haven’t ever tried to upgrade one from 10.10 to 11, so you may end up needing to flatten and reinstall.

    If you do t feel like doing two installs and don’t know anyone with a mac you can stand to be around, go to an apple store nearby and explain to the person at the genius bar (that’s really what they call tech support) that you can’t upgrade from a nearly ten year old os and ask them to make you up an install media.

    Some of this stuff can be counterintuitive but if you run into a roadblock just holler.

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        Who cares. He was using metric wrenches as an analogy. The topic isn’t the value of metric literally.

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        how long is this “foot” measure?

        oh, it’s about as long as a persons foot. there’s a ruler if you need to get precise.

        thanks, that’s useful and easy to understand, what about the meter one over there?

        it’s the distance light travels in a vacuum over the span of 1/299,792,458 of a second. you’ll want to use the meterstick, but it’s too long for practical measurements at the same scale as the foot.

        wow, who came up with that?

        the french.

        e: also, long detailed helpful post explaing exactly how to resolve a problem that happens to use measurement systems as a point of comparison the only response: “motherfucker what’d you say about metric?!”

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          I’m American and our standard measurements drive me bugnuts. Especially at smaller scales. Me and fractions never did get along.

          A meter is approximately the length of my arm which is approximately 3 feet in American. A foot is roughly 33 centimeters, also as you pointed out, the length of my foot. A centimeter is roughly the width of my pinky nail. A centimeter is 10 millimeters. A millimeter is small enough I’m breaking out the micrometer.

          How far is it from my home to work? About an hour and a half going in to work, roughly an hour coming back. It’s roughly 50 miles, but expressing it as time makes more sense.

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          I mean it’s not really about as big of a persons foot though is it. It’s just it’s name, measurements are meant to portable and precise with a real definition. Not just about the size of someones foot who’s foot? Your foot? My foot? Those are probably off by several inches. Plus conversions are huge pain in the imperial measurement system which can lead to huge issues.

          e: your opinion on measurement systems lowers my trust in your other opinions

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            How portable? How precise?

            The foot, as I explicitly referenced in my reply, has a definition that can be easily referenced to increase its precision: a ruler.

            Error of several inches would fall into the realm of “about as long”.

            What conversions are a pain under sae measurements?

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              Very precise so when you measure something you get it’s length so that it’s length can be compared to other objects. And portable so that other people who don’t have access to your specific ruler can fashion a ruler of their own that will give measurements that are the same length as yours

              An error of several inches in any real world use case for a measurement system could very well end in disasted.

              And from inches to foot, foot to yard and foot to mile.

              Metric is easier to remember conversations, easier to use, and is way more portable and precise

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                who the heck is out here fashioning their own rulers. can you imagine that for metric? “jim, you finish making that cut yet?” “no. i need to zero the chronograph so i can make a meter stick.” all measurement systems have inexact portable standards and i’d say it’s not something metric handles better than sae.

                there are 12 inches in a foot, three feet in a yard and 5280 feet in a mile. you can use the little star button under this post to “save” it for later in case you forget and need to refer back. i’m not trying to be passive aggressive, i used to have to look up the foot to mile conversion a bunch before i did a stint of surveying.

                can you explain what you mean when you say that metric is more portable or precise? what measurements are more precise or more easily made to their appropriate degree of precision with the metric system?

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                  Ok now do inches to miles, what about distance bigger then those measured in miles what now? Try miles to yards without looking it up what about measurement smaller than a 1/16 of an inch? What are we just gunna start using even smaller fractions? 1/1000 of an inch? or would it be some arbitrary unit called a speckle or something that’s 18/29382 of an inch?

                  And no one makes their one rulers except physics labs, and maybe ruler manufacturers.

                  Metric has more precision due to its definition based on a universal constant. Imperial could have that to but it doesn’t shake it’s weird conversions. Yes they are easy if you are doing surveying work but there’s a reason scientists use metric. It’s much easier to check and use especially when dealing with scientific notation.

                  Also fun trick for feet to miles is 5-tomatoes = 5 two 8 Os

                  Now let’s do kilometers Oh wait it’s literally just it’s name 1000 meters

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                    well, if youre’ drilling holes, 32s are pretty common, as are 64ths. my copy of machinery’s handbook uses mils, which are thousandths of an inch just like you said.

                    if no one makes their own rulers except labs and ruler factories then why is making rulers important for portability, something your said was important?

                    metric doesn’t have any more precision because of it’s definition based on a universal constant. over time as new constants arose, plenty of non metric systems adapted to them and changed to include their enhanced precision. the nautical mile is a great example of this! metric systems have also switched universal constants over time to become more and more precise, just like everything else.

                    a measuring system needs easy conversions most when the people using it can’t just look at the thing being measured and say “that’s not five hogsheads you imbecile! that’s a tun!” metric’s easy conversions are really good for stuff like voltage and the distance from the earth to the moon, but should everything be powers of ten? i don’t know. it certainly would remove pressure from people to learn how to easily divide by other numbers or comprehend fractions.

                    i’m not sure that’s a good thing.