A long and distinguished family - eviltoast
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    10 months ago

    Hate to be that guy, but the icing on frosted Pop Tarts contains gelatin derived from bones, hooves, tendons, ligaments, etc., making it not vegetarian.

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      10 months ago

      That makes it not vegan but last time I checked, vegetarians only steer clear of meat, not all animal products. It’s like veganism, but less obsessive.

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        10 months ago

        Animal carcasses are not vegetarian… Things like milk, eggs and honey (honey can be questionable) would be classed as vegetarian. Essentially anything that causes an animal to die to be consumed would not be vegetarian.

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          10 months ago

          There’s no real question with honey. Honey is vegetarian, but not vegan.

          Vegetarian = does not eat animals, vegan = does not eat animal products.

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          10 months ago

          anything that causes an animal to die to be consumed would not be vegetarian.

          That would explicitly NOT include gelatin, which is made from the hooves and the like of animals already slaughtered for the parts people eat. Literally no one is slaughtering animals to make gelatin.

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            10 months ago

            It would also decidedly not include pork tenderloin, which is made from the tenderloin of animals already slaughtered

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                10 months ago

                Mate. The animal has to die for the product to get made. There’s such a thing as avoiding waste: You wouldn’t slaughter an entire horse and just use the hooves, nor would you chop a chicken for just the wings. You use as much as you can. Stuff like gelatin usually has multiple source animals precisely because it’s made of what used to be wasted. There isn’t a way to extract these things without causing serious injury or death to the animal, ergo it is very much not vegetarian.

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                  10 months ago

                  The animal has to die for the product to get made

                  The animal has already died to make another product. There’s no additional animals killed to make gelatin.

                  There’s such a thing as avoiding waste

                  Exactly. Using the extra parts to make gelatin rather than just throwing them away is avoiding waste.

                  You wouldn’t slaughter an entire horse and just use the hooves, nor would you chop a chicken for just the wings. You use as much as you can

                  Yes, that’s what I’m saying!

                  Stuff like gelatin usually has multiple source animals precisely because it’s made of what used to be wasted

                  As opposed to killing any extra animals for gelatin. How the fuck can you keep disagreeing with the point you’re DESCRIBING in the affirmative??

                  There isn’t a way to extract these things without causing serious injury or death to the animal

                  You just described at length how no animal is killed for gelatin and as such using gelatin doesn’t involve any additional deaths versus NOT using gelatin. It’s not that difficult to understand…

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        It’s actually one of those things that varies for each person, how extreme they are with vegetarian. They might avoid anything that contains geletain including gummies or certain medications because it requires an animal byproduct to make.

        Eggs and dairy are not part of an animal carcass. You don’t have to kill an animal to enjoy it.

        Vegans believe using animals for any food (or maybe even product) is wrong so they avoid eggs, milk, dairy, etc. Or maybe it’s they are vegan in that they only eat eggs or whatever from their own free range chickens. Some vegans won’t get vaccines if they contain egg protein.

        Basically often both diets are often moral choices so there can be as much variety to how restrictive or serious it is just like any human will have variety in their morals details even if there is overlap on general idea (ffs just look at Christianity)

        And oh there are people who are vegetarian just because they don’t like the taste or texture of meat!

        Sorry for the ramble I found this really interesting when I became friends with people who have different diets. It’s interesting how much variety they can have.

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          10 months ago

          Some vegans won’t get vaccines if they contain egg protein.

          Vegan here, that seems a little extreme, and I haven’t heard of any vegan who does that. Also for many vaccines they make egg-free variants anyways. There are not really many good excuses to not get vaccinated if you ask me

      • Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        10 months ago

        last time I checked, bones, hooves, tendons, and ligaments, are meat, not just animal products, and most vegetarians would agree

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          10 months ago

          None of those things are meat, no. Meat = muscle tissue. Bones, hooves and connective tissue are not muscle tissue.

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              10 months ago

              It’s not a petty distinction, it’s an accurate and meaningful one: when I eat meat, an animal has been slaughtered for that purpose. When I eat or otherwise use gelatin, no animal has been slaughtered for that purpose as those parts are byproducts of animals already dead. Thus, no animal is killed for gelatine

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      10 months ago

      Yeah, and kids parties? That shits at like state fairs and amusement parks and always there is your freezer.

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        10 months ago

        Cottage pie can be made with anything else really, not explicitly beef, but shepherd’s pie should exclusively be lamb - it’s in the name.

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      10 months ago

      I see your point, but tamales are traditionally wrapped in corn husks or banana leaves. The covering is also not baked or fried onto a tamale.

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        10 months ago

        The paper/corn/banana leaf is just for forming. The masa surrounding the filling is the equivalent of the bread on these other items. And sure, they’re cooked by steaming. The end result is much like a hot pocket.

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    10 months ago

    Hotpockets and Poptarts but

    No pasties. The wayward topless dancer daughter.

    No (Chicken) Pot Pie. The stoner draft dodger uncle.

    No shepherds pie. The religious freak, mashed potato brained uncle.

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        10 months ago

        Not proper croissant dough, this comes in a can and would make a French baker angry. So it’s real easy to wrap the weenies in.

        Don’t forget about those little weenies that come in a can, sometimes we wrap those in shame dough too.

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      10 months ago

      It amazes me that American’s are still trying to make this a thing.

      They’ve not only “invented” the sausage roll, they named it after a staple part of a Christmas dinner. It’s two simultaneous kicks in the face.

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    10 months ago

    Whoever drew this has never seen a beef wellington before. That’s a whole loaf of bread with a slab of beef stuffed in it.

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      10 months ago

      They forgot one.

      BEEF BURRITO - The stoner that just chills on the couch, until the burritos or weed is gone, whichever comes first. (Date of origin undetermined)

  • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.netOP
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    10 months ago

    Please refer to the community name. This is a checks notes shitpost - I’m not here to post factually accurate information

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    10 months ago

    Ho Hos: the free spirit aunt who worked as a go go dancer in the ‘60s to fund her hippy lifestyle