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    Dems supporting trans sports bans (and lockeroom bans and bathroom bans and other sex segregation) are supporting the exact same ideology that justify sending us to men’s prisons. The idea is that we are too strong and manly and will r*pe and kill women if we are allowed to have freedom, so we need to be quarantined away with other men so that we get r*ped and murdered.

    I’m not voting for my genocide. If the choice in 2028 is between a transphobe and a transphobe, I’ll just kill myself.

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      Listen I’m trans too but if it’s fuckin Vance vs Newsom YOU KEEP THE FUCKING REPUBLICAN OUT OF POWER BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN IS ALWAYS WORSE. If you don’t understand this then take a fuckin history and civics course. The Republican party votes in lockstep and wants to kill trans people. The democratic party is a big tent party encompassing a wide range of ideologies from basically maga to basically socialist. If you think they’re equivalent you’re a fuckin idiot. Vote in every election for the most progressive option. And vote strategically. A protest vote for a nonviable third party is a vote for whoever wins.

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        her point wasn’t that that all democrats are exactly the same. if the party does not enforce any consequences for supporting anti-trans policy then it tells you what the institution actually values regardless of what individual members say.

        the fact that a democrat pivoted to anti-trans positions after winning primaries and has not been punished for it only makes it harder to trust other democrats

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        No shit, but there are transphobic Democrats supporting the ideology of gender segregation and trans genocide. If one of those bluemaggots gets the 2028 nomination, I’m as good as dead already, I might as well just skip the painful and humiliating part.

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            Prisons are segregated too for the exact same reasons, which means if they decide I’m too manly to play in women’s sports then I’m also too manly to go to women’s prison. It’s the same ideology, the same justification, I either kill myself or die in men’s prison.

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                Prevent? We all know that men’s prisons are r*pe dungeons! Everyone fucking jokes about it. Don’t drop the soap HAHA SO FUNNEH!!1 Demonic shithole Nazi country run by fucking monsters. The r*pe is the point of US prisons. Death to Amerikkka

                The idea that it’s “unfair” is based in the idea that women are weak and need protection, that hrt doesn’t cause biological changes, that trans women are not real women, that trans women are pervert freaks that can’t be allowed around women, it’s all the same. There’s a lot of baked in assumptions about sex in sports segregation, and they are the same assumptions for bathrooms and locker rooms and prisons. Once the door is open to this shit, it is inevitable that the next Republican regime will codify it.

                If the Democrats don’t reach some fucking bipartisan compromise and do it themselves.

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                    We’re still talking about the US, right? Because in this country the goal isn’t to reduce incidence of SA. The goal is to humiliate men by making them r*pe each other. That’s why it happens in the first place. Do you really think we couldn’t eliminate it if we tried?

                    And I favor the way the Paralympics already solved this issue. They separate athletes based on their ability, like how wrestlers are separated based on weight. Instead of just measuring sex, or hormone levels, measure things like weight and height and muscle mass and wing span and bone density etc etc. If we’re going to separate athletes, let’s make it scientific instead of based on some arbitrary social convention.

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          Democrats say things that flirt with transphobia because they are trying to win over Republican voters. (Dumb idea but that’s their strategy)

          Republicans say they want trans genocide because they want trans genocide.

          They aren’t the same, and at least one of them can be pressured into changing.

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            Bluemaggots say things that help build the argument for my extermination because they’re worthless fucking opportunist cowards that don’t stand for anything. I’m sure, in their heart-of-hearts, they don’t even care about trans issues one way or the other.

            However, that won’t stop them from “reaching across the isle” to vote for it in a big bipartisan compromise to show how reasonable and moderate they are; they’ll trade away my rights for idk canceling up to $20,000 in debt for Pell Grant recipients who open a business in a disadvantaged community and operate it for at least three years. Either we nominate a progressive or I die.

            Every single Democrat that supports any form of gender segregation supports sending me to men’s prison.

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              Well, I was trying to give you a hope for an out but I guess that’s a no go.

              I’d rather you didn’t kill yourself.

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                  It’s September 29. AFAIK most, if not all, of the primaries are over now. Either you got your ideal candidate or you didn’t, but either way, there’s only one way to keep the guaranteed-to-be-trans-genocidal Republican out of office at this point.

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                    I said 2028 in my original comment, didn’t I?

                    Also I notice you used “ideal” as if not wanting to be r*ped and murdered in men’s prison is idealistic. That’s the bare fucking minimum. If you nominate a candidate that supports the ideology for my genocide, I’m not sticking around to see how it turns out.

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            They aren’t the same, and at least one of them can be pressured into changing.

            weird, i just had a bunch of comrades get arrested for attempting to protest for a democrat to not comply with trump on trans kids.

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            Yeah, but when someone is trying to pressure dems into changing, people like you appear and cry that by pressuring them to change they’re basically supporting republicans

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              What kind of pressure?

              All the anti-D sentiment I see on Lemmy is from lemmy.ml people saying that Ds are just as bad as Rs (therefore don’t bother voting).

              Which of course convinces people who would vote against Rs to stay home and convinces Ds not to bother appealing to that kind of person because they’ll probably not vote anyway.

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                i vote in primaries and municipal/midterm years but whatever you say, officer

                democrats are more likely to call the cops on me than appeal to me in any way.

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                  i vote in primaries and municipal/midterm years

                  I’m glad to hear it, but I clearly wasn’t talking about people like you. That view isn’t shared amongst the legions of people pictured in the OP who screech that voting for a Democrat under any circumstance is the exact same as voting for a Republican.

                  Red Herrings not quoted for obvious reasons.

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                    That view isn’t shared amongst the legions of people pictured in the OP who screech that voting for a Democrat under any circumstance is the exact same as voting for a Republican.

                    that’s cause it’s a caricature constructed for the purpose of engagement baiting

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            Well, Republican voters actually vote. When you have this level of purity testing going on, why even bother with the left? You could be as progressive as possible, and then a picture of you reading Harry Potter 20 years ago means all the progressives stay home.

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              I mean I still go with the left because I agree with it and think it’s the right thing to do, but man the purity testing can be a drag

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        Their point was that there are snakes within our ranks, and we need to root them out. Conservative Democrats need to go

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      Well, kinda sounds like you’re okay with either outcome, so I don’t understand why you think democrats should suddenly care about your needs.

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          To be a victim one must first exist.

          A nonvoter does not exist in a political sense. By not voting they announce to the world: my opinions and I are irrelevant to the discussion.

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            By your broken logic we would have zero laws protecting children then.

            Should we also abuse retarded people because they can’t manage reading enough to vote as well? You are using the language of genociders.

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              No, I’m using the language of disgust after watching someone who does have agency choose not to use that agency and cry about being victimized instead.

              That’s also the difference between your examples and this one: agency, and the lack thereof.

              Edit: wanna see actual abusive behavior? Check out their responses. Threatening suicide to get their way.

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        I don’t want to die please don’t kill me I’ll be good I don’t want to die please please please things are finally looking kind of okay I don’t want to die I don’t want to die I tried so fucking hard and nothing good ever happens I don’t want to die I don’t want to die

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          So don’t vote for the republicans?

          Not being allowed to play high school sports in your preferred gender isn’t death. It’s barely an inconvenience.

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            What part of “I’m not voting for my genocide.” did you misread? Did you miss that part? I’ll just kill myself, I won’t vote.

            Not being allowed to play high school sports in your preferred gender isn’t death. It’s barely an inconvenience.

            As I already explained: the reason they don’t want me playing in women’s sports is because they believe I am a disgusting manly pervert that can’t be trusted around women and so I need to be segregated and quarantined away for their protection.

            That is the exact same ideological justification for sending trans women to men’s prisons. Exactly the same. Zero difference.

            Which means, if Democrats vote to codify me being a mutant untrustworthy abhuman freak, then when Republicans get back into power (and you know they will) they’ll just take it one step further and I will be r*ped for the rest of my very short life.

            So, fuck it. Nothing to live for, everything gets worse forever, might as well die.

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              The prison thing is evil but I don’t know any dems who support it.

              Is the fact that sports are segregated by sex, which is sort of standard, something you consider genocidal?

              Personally, I think sports should be banned in high school and college. That’s my vote.

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                Do I deserve to be r*ped to death in men’s prison. Oh cute you edited your comment now I look stupid

                The ideological justification is the same for both.

                Dems won’t be in power forever either. They open the door to this shit for Republicans to codify it when they get reelected.

                Either Democrats support my existence as a woman or they support my genocide. No in between.

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            Trans kids should be able to play sports, but anyone that cares about trans kids should also do everything they can to realistically plausibly keep republicans out of power. This almost always means getting the dem elected. Vote in dem primaries and vote for Dems in the general unless you’re in one of the rare areas that has a viable third party candidate.

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          What’s that? Did you hear something? A nonvoter? Must have been the wind.

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            Your mask is slipping.

            Don’t worry, if you force me to kill myself by nominating someone that supports my genocide, I’ll make sure everyone can hear it. Bushnell did more to change voters’ minds than every Democrat combined, and as a result changed the kinds of Democrats that are getting nominated. Opposition to the genocide in Gaza is now an 80/20 issue within the Democratic party.

            The martyr is immortal. That’s worth a hell of a lot more than your vote.

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              Martyrs generally spend less time bitching and more time doing.

              But you can’t even be bothered to vote, you ain’t gonna do shit.

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      There is a difference between not playing competitive sports and being sent to men’s prison to be raped and murdered. Life may be a fight, keep on fighting for a better world, and please stick around to see it!

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        One leads to the other. The exact same justifications exist for both - I am too strong and manly and disgusting to be trusted around women. They are rooted in the same ideology, that trans women are inherently dangerous and masculine and need quarantine.

        I’m not sticking around to be r*ped to death.

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          Reactionaries like them have no understanding of logic. All they can do is react to surface level with no deeper analysis of the systemic nature behind the curtain.

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          V-coding existed before any sports bans. Getting hung up on the sports bans won’t affect v-coding. We should also push back against the sports bans but your logic is backwards here.

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        Ok so trans people should be ok with the dems turning right on trans issues each cycle right?

        Keep pushing right conservatives! You got it!

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          While the Dems are in power we can have debates and use the opportunity to vote in primaries for progressives, while the reps are in power being trans is legally unrecognized. One of these is worse.

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          People who care about Trans rights don’t vote

          Party correctly sees voters don’t care about Trans rights

          Let’s make sure the “I hate trans people and hope they die” party gets more votes, that’ll show them!