“No one is looking at us or the extent of this disaster or the crimes that we are experiencing in Gaza,” he said. Still holding his microphone, he slid off his flak jacket marked with the word PRESS and unstrapped his helmet.
“These protection jackets and helmets don’t protect us,” he said, flinging the equipment to the ground. “Nothing protects journalists. … We lose our lives for no reason.”
This is heartbreaking, I don’t know what else to say. The justification that these casualties are acceptable because “Hamas is there too” is just nonsense. If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?
That would humanize those whom they oppress.
I doubt Hamas was at this reporter’s house, which was singled out by Israel for an airstrike, which they then pretended to know nothing about.
You’re probably right, I’m just trying to get ahead of their typical excuse for collateral damage
It’s not even collateral damage is it? It’s the damage they intend to inflict, killing journalists who dare to show the world what Israel is doing.
Not just journalists, kill the journalist AND his entire family by waiting until he gets home and then bombing his house.
Hamas look like angels compared to israel
Hamas look like angels compared to Israel.
Idk if I’d go that far. Hamas is at least honest about it, though. They don’t try to hide the fact that they want every Jew dead. Israel will continue to genocide Palestinians while denying that the whole time.
Completely false. They want the colony of israel gone and their land back. They are not interested in ethnic cleansing like israel.
There are videos of Hamas members that invaded israel and DIDNT kill people on purpose. Many such accounts. https://youtu.be/rD7NI0tGbp8?si=uXg5km2BGCXkGosQ
Of course there are outliers of people that just want to murder, but the Hamas policy is not the murder of every colonist.
Now let’s not glorify Hamas too much and pretend they’re super nice people. They are a violent militant faction. But just like the Taliban, Hamas just want occupiers off their land. They’re not interested in going to America to kill all the non believers or any of that stupid stuff.
'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and
kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the
rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind
me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)
'The enemies have been scheming for a long time … and have
accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money,
they took control of the world media… With their money they stirred
revolutions in various parts of the globe… They stood behind the
French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the
revolutions we hear about… With their money they formed secret
organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions -
which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies
and carry out Zionist interests… They stood behind World War I …
and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the
world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge
financial gains… There is no war going on anywhere without them
having their finger in it.’ (Article 22)
'Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet
expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have
finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they
will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out
in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.’ (Article 32)
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I agree with the first part, not so much with the second. They’re both pretty nasty.
Makes you wonder what they do get away with
Nuke the whole world, hamas is on the planet. Killing all humans is the only way to be sure.
Shh, don’t give them ideas!
eh, just gaza
How do you know who is Hamas and who is a civilian? It’s not like Hamas honorably sticks to identifiable uniforms in this war they started
If they filter through the border they can’t be armed. It’d be pretty easy to take away all their arms if no one was left to guard their tunnels.
The war has been going on since long before October.
That’s pretty clearly not true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel–Hamas_war
7 October to present
You said there wasn’t a outstanding conflict going on before October. “That’s pretty clearly not true”
I provided you counter examples. Now you have evidence of the conflict activity before October.
Uhh, no. I said Hamas started this war. Which they did. On 7 Oct. Before then, there was no war. Now, there’s war. Idk what you want
If you insist.
it’s really obvious:
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in a tunnel underground? terrorist
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shooting Israeli’s? terrorist
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not getting the fuck out of an active war zone and pretending to be a civilian? terrorist
Should all of Ukraine abandon their land because Russia declared their land an active war zone?
If someone invades your country do you not have the right to fight back? You’re basically saying, leave or die. How does this logic not apply to the attacks of oct. 7th? Not defending said attacks, just pointing out how utterly brainless your statement is. It also sounds like approval of genocide.
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If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?
Whether you agree with Israeli attacks or not, obviously the answer to this is because it’s impossible to filter out Hamas terrorists, which is the main thing they’re trying to prevent.
Your right, best to kill them all then. What do you agree with btw?
He agrees with the occupiers if his history serves as enough evidence
Your right, best to kill them all then.
Where did you get that?
What do you agree with btw?
I’m not happy with what Israel is doing. But I don’t know of a better way to get rid of Hamas either. And I’m convinced that if we want a free Palestine and a working two state solution, freeing it from Hamas has to be the first step without which no sustainable situation with Israel can ever be achieved.
Better way is easy: a one state solution like Israel claims it wants would be better than this. Declare everyone in Palestine an Israeli citizen, move in law enforcement in force, and arrest murderers for murder.
I agree that it would be better for the Palestinians, clearly Israeli Arabs have better lives than people in Gaza and West Bank despite also facing some discrimination, but Gazans would never agree to this (that is clear from public opinion polls done by PA institutions - for example over 70% of people in Gaza support violence against Israeli civilians), so the end result would be exactly the same is this one. You would still have an army of violent murderers hiding in tunnels with almost two decades of preparation for exactly this.
I should have put an /s there I guess. You don’t know a better way than genocide? If the treatment kills the host then it is not in fact a cure.
If Israel wanted to kill all people in Gaza, they could just carpet bomb them without ever stepping a foot in. The only reason to do a ground invasion that will inevitably bring a ton of Israeli casualties is to reduce civilian deaths.
So less deniable war crimes?
Either they’re armed and easy to identify or they’re not at which point there’s one less person to worry about shooting Israeli soldiers while their tunnel network is dismantled. I don’t see the problem.
Do you honestly not see the problem with letting out at the very least tens of thousands of people, possibly hundreds of thousands, and guarding them all well enough so that none of them can do any hostilities that can be done without smuggling arms out of Gaza (whether it’s sabotage, inciting violent protests to keep the IDF occupied or terrorist acts using weapons smuggled into Israel from elsewhere)?
It’d be hard sure. Still better than bombing the spots they directed people to and killing droves of civilians.
No, now you have two more people inspired to shoot Israeli soldiers and civilians. It’s like you don’t even understand how people’s minds actually work.
My dude has never seen a customs office or checkpoint in his life
No its obviously because Israel doesn’t care about Palestinians lol. They wouldn’t have literally any of these issues if they hadn’t been doing like 80 years worth of state sponsored occupation and murder.
You really think the people in Gaza chose to willingly leave their former homes and land to move into a military enclave?
You are extremely naive if you think that a military checkpoint would solve this problem. Egypt was not able to stop Hamas terrorists and their supplies going back and forth through the Rafah border crossing to commit acts of terror in the Sinai peninsula for example. And that was during “business as usual”, not in a situation where potentially hundreds of thousands of people would likely have to go through.
Bold of you to assume Egypt isn’t complicit in letting that happen lol.
Their military literally runs on bribery. So much so that there’s a local conspiracy there that Egypt provided Israel with all the intel during the 6 day war because they had no intention of fighting and negotiated to get Gaza off their hands in exchange for never having to worry about Israel again.
Again though, my point is that Hamas as an entity wouldn’t exist if Palestinians were considered regular citizens and not forced off from their own property.
Again though, my point is that Hamas as an entity wouldn’t exist if Palestinians were considered regular citizens and not forced off from their own property.
This may be true and it would be good to consider this when deciding what to do after Hamas is gone, but it doesn’t change anything about current situation. The fact is that thinking a military checkpoint would filter out terrorists is incredibly naive, and whether Israel cares about the lives of civilians or not likely wouldn’t change this particular issue at all.
Why does Israel not let people leave and use its famed intelligence services to identify who the Hamas fighters are? It is looking like the Israeli government simply prefers collective punishment or even genocide.
At 8:30 p.m. Thursday, after signing off from a live report on Gaza’s soaring death toll, Abu Hatab headed to his nearby home in Khan Younis where he lived with his wife, six children, brother and brother’s family, his colleagues said.
On his way, he spoke to the Palestine TV bureau chief, Rafat Tidra.
“He was so professional, as always,” Tidra said. “In that conversation, he was focused on what he was going to report the next day, how we were going to work.”
At around 9:30, an Israeli airstrike hit his house, wiping out the Abu Hatab family. No one survived. His neighbor’s houses only sustained limited damage from the blast.
So was there a Hamas base under this journalist’s private residence or something?!
Hamas are very much like Visa, they’re “everywhere you want to be.”
The IDF also murdered 972 Magazine journalist Khalil Abu Yahia.
Whoa israel just directly bombed his house with his whole family inside because he was press. What the fuck.
israel is saying they will kill you AND your entire family of you report on their war crimes.
It’s easy to take an enlightened centerist approach here saying things like “both sides do awful things” and “everyone should stop”. And while to a point that this is true, there has a history of revenge repesials going back devades. But that really ignores the vast power imblance between Israel and the strip.
From basic utilities to free movement on roads to kicking Palestinians out of their homes in favor of Israeli settlers. It’s a small easy thing to relax in your chair and say everyone is wrong, but this conflict can end when Isreal stops their oppression. Not providing clean water and bombing medical infrastructure is genocide all by itself. Gaza is an open air prison where movement is restricted. It’s high minded arrogant nonsense to say Gaza should focus on their own country when Isreal is literally bombing their water wells.
Both sides do awful things. Everyone should stop.
But let’s be honest here, the area didn’t belong to the zionists for a really long time. The international community forced Palestinians off of their land and for a good 70 years Palestinians they have suffered. Zionists should not have been given the means to invade the Palestinians.
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this conflict can end when Isreal stops their oppression
It can end when hamas surrenders.
Not providing clean water and bombing medical infrastructure is genocide all by itself.
It wasn’t a problem before October 7th. Maybe hamas should’ve done something about preventing such a situation, to build water purification facilities etc. Also maybe not build war infrastructure under medical infrastructure.
It’s high minded arrogant nonsense to say Gaza should focus on their own country when Isreal is literally bombing their water wells.
It’s low minded arrogant nonsense to say that Israel should not react to attacks of terrorists who vowed to not stop attacks until they destroy Israel with it’s 9 million population.
So now Israel targets Hamas AND the press? The latter just feels so wrong.
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No they were targeting them specifically from the beginning, not just now.
At least 31 Journalists have been killed and we’re not even a month in.
Here’s the wiki site that keeps count: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_2023_Israel–Hamas_war
Here are current year and prior maps to 92’ that you can tweak from the Committee to Protect Journalists. It really helps to change search parameters like causation, year, region etc, to get a very full view of how absolutely abnormal the number of journalist deaths are.
This one got to me: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zMKyH4jCnTE
Fuck. This is extremely hard to watch. My heart breaks for this man and his family.
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Israel has a storied history now of killing journalists, here is the most famous example:
https://www.vox.com/2022/5/11/23067365/shireen-abu-akleh-palestinian-journalist-killed-israel
God damn.
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Yes, the situation in Gaza is awful and a tragedy in every way imaginable. It is a war zone.
Your right, Israel should cease it’s indiscriminate violence now and call for an immediate stabilization of the civilian population on the ground. That was a big leap for you man. Proud of you Dobby!
Hamas should surrender so everything can end.
Hamas doesn’t care if those civilians and journalists die anymore than probably Israel does. It goes to show how stupid this is because everyday Israel becomes more the murderer, more the oppressor, more the aggressor, more the monster. I’m sure Hamas leadership love it because they literally have to do nothing as proud Israel marches into the history books as the land hungry maniac butcher of the middle east. This is how a 9/11 works and you buffoons are out here trying to roast Hamas marshmallows on the smoldering corpses of women and children.
Sounds like it was a bad idea for the Gazans to put them in charge of their government. Maybe they should do something about that
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If we start a war we pay the cost
I’m glad that Israel refuses any further US military aid or funding then
They took power illegally years before the literal majority of Gaza citizens were even born.
Edit: My apologies, the ones that are almost legal adults would have been infants or toddlers at the time Hamas seized power. They really should have done something about that while they were learning how to walk and speak. /s
Okay, and? I’m sorry, my dude, but Hamas won the election before they illegally seized power, and it’s not like the people of Gaza have tried to do anything about that. Who is supposed to do it for them?
Yeah, it sucks that sometimes the citizens of a nation pay the price for the actions of their leaders. But who else can change their leaders for them?
You’re talking about a population with extremely limited resources that is literally 50% (or more) children that has been under two fascist boots for the last decade and a half. There does come a point where a level of desperation combined with a possibility of a better future will instigate a revolution, but right now? They don’t see a possibility of a better future. With Israel’s Likud on the other side of the wall and no resources to rebuild after a coup, what’s the point in gambling everything on maybe being able to overthrow the more local oppression?
Also, education in Gaza is very inconsistent and most political revolutions are started by people with education and nothing to lose.
Your right, perhaps we go punish the skeletons in North Korea next?
If North Korea starts a war, its people will bear the brunt. But that’s a bad comparison - Hamas was elected.
Maybe tell that to the children (who are 2 out of every 5 murdered) who didn’t even exist for this definitive election of yours. It’s a fine comparison. It’s been so long since either event that your blaming a currently suffering group for the mistakes of it’s predecessors, and it rings just as gross and hollow. Why don’t you tell me how women should dress so they don’t get raped?
Lots of people should do lots of things to make the world better. I feel they’re not going to, though.
Yeah. Hamas is the only group which can really end this, though. Israel ending it involves a lot of dead people. They’re not going to stop until Hamas cannot make war any longer, and I can’t blame them.
Yeah. Hamas is the only group which can really end this, though. Israel ending it involves a lot of dead people. They’re not going to stop until Hamas cannot make war any longer, and I can’t blame them.
The world and history will blame them. Nobody, not a single soul, is concerned with where you cast the blame.
Yes, yes, of course, it’s all the fault of the defenders
How far into someone else’s lands are these “defenders”?
if your protection gear isnt working, get better gear. if that isnt possible, it may be time to rethink your life decisions.
I think you’ll struggle to find protective gear that will protect you from a direct airstrike
moving right on to the 2nd option then, eh?
Or how about the 3rd option: western backed states don’t commit war crimes targeting journalists?
with the amount of garbage takes I’ve seen from you, I would hope the irony isn’t completely lost. try taking your own pathetic advice.
