Emotional outburst on live TV from Gaza over death of reporter encapsulates collective grief - eviltoast

“No one is looking at us or the extent of this disaster or the crimes that we are experiencing in Gaza,” he said. Still holding his microphone, he slid off his flak jacket marked with the word PRESS and unstrapped his helmet.

“These protection jackets and helmets don’t protect us,” he said, flinging the equipment to the ground. “Nothing protects journalists. … We lose our lives for no reason.”

  • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    This is heartbreaking, I don’t know what else to say. The justification that these casualties are acceptable because “Hamas is there too” is just nonsense. If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?

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      I doubt Hamas was at this reporter’s house, which was singled out by Israel for an airstrike, which they then pretended to know nothing about.

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        You’re probably right, I’m just trying to get ahead of their typical excuse for collateral damage

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          It’s not even collateral damage is it? It’s the damage they intend to inflict, killing journalists who dare to show the world what Israel is doing.

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            Not just journalists, kill the journalist AND his entire family by waiting until he gets home and then bombing his house.

            Hamas look like angels compared to israel

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              Hamas look like angels compared to Israel.

              Idk if I’d go that far. Hamas is at least honest about it, though. They don’t try to hide the fact that they want every Jew dead. Israel will continue to genocide Palestinians while denying that the whole time.

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                Completely false. They want the colony of israel gone and their land back. They are not interested in ethnic cleansing like israel.

                There are videos of Hamas members that invaded israel and DIDNT kill people on purpose. Many such accounts. https://youtu.be/rD7NI0tGbp8?si=uXg5km2BGCXkGosQ

                Of course there are outliers of people that just want to murder, but the Hamas policy is not the murder of every colonist.

                Now let’s not glorify Hamas too much and pretend they’re super nice people. They are a violent militant faction. But just like the Taliban, Hamas just want occupiers off their land. They’re not interested in going to America to kill all the non believers or any of that stupid stuff.

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                  'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and

                  kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the

                  rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind

                  me, come and kill him.’ (Article 7)

                  'The enemies have been scheming for a long time … and have

                  accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money,

                  they took control of the world media… With their money they stirred

                  revolutions in various parts of the globe… They stood behind the

                  French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the

                  revolutions we hear about… With their money they formed secret

                  organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions -

                  which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies

                  and carry out Zionist interests… They stood behind World War I …

                  and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the

                  world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge

                  financial gains… There is no war going on anywhere without them

                  having their finger in it.’ (Article 22)

                  'Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet

                  expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have

                  finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they

                  will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out

                  in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’.’ (Article 32)

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              1 year ago

              I agree with the first part, not so much with the second. They’re both pretty nasty.

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      Nuke the whole world, hamas is on the planet. Killing all humans is the only way to be sure.

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      How do you know who is Hamas and who is a civilian? It’s not like Hamas honorably sticks to identifiable uniforms in this war they started

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      If that’s the case why won’t Israel let civilians cross the border into Israel to prevent their murder?

      Whether you agree with Israeli attacks or not, obviously the answer to this is because it’s impossible to filter out Hamas terrorists, which is the main thing they’re trying to prevent.

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          Your right, best to kill them all then.

          Where did you get that?

          What do you agree with btw?

          I’m not happy with what Israel is doing. But I don’t know of a better way to get rid of Hamas either. And I’m convinced that if we want a free Palestine and a working two state solution, freeing it from Hamas has to be the first step without which no sustainable situation with Israel can ever be achieved.

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            Better way is easy: a one state solution like Israel claims it wants would be better than this. Declare everyone in Palestine an Israeli citizen, move in law enforcement in force, and arrest murderers for murder.

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              I agree that it would be better for the Palestinians, clearly Israeli Arabs have better lives than people in Gaza and West Bank despite also facing some discrimination, but Gazans would never agree to this (that is clear from public opinion polls done by PA institutions - for example over 70% of people in Gaza support violence against Israeli civilians), so the end result would be exactly the same is this one. You would still have an army of violent murderers hiding in tunnels with almost two decades of preparation for exactly this.

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            I should have put an /s there I guess. You don’t know a better way than genocide? If the treatment kills the host then it is not in fact a cure.

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              If Israel wanted to kill all people in Gaza, they could just carpet bomb them without ever stepping a foot in. The only reason to do a ground invasion that will inevitably bring a ton of Israeli casualties is to reduce civilian deaths.

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        Either they’re armed and easy to identify or they’re not at which point there’s one less person to worry about shooting Israeli soldiers while their tunnel network is dismantled. I don’t see the problem.

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          Do you honestly not see the problem with letting out at the very least tens of thousands of people, possibly hundreds of thousands, and guarding them all well enough so that none of them can do any hostilities that can be done without smuggling arms out of Gaza (whether it’s sabotage, inciting violent protests to keep the IDF occupied or terrorist acts using weapons smuggled into Israel from elsewhere)?

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            It’d be hard sure. Still better than bombing the spots they directed people to and killing droves of civilians.

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          No, now you have two more people inspired to shoot Israeli soldiers and civilians. It’s like you don’t even understand how people’s minds actually work.

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        My dude has never seen a customs office or checkpoint in his life

        No its obviously because Israel doesn’t care about Palestinians lol. They wouldn’t have literally any of these issues if they hadn’t been doing like 80 years worth of state sponsored occupation and murder.

        You really think the people in Gaza chose to willingly leave their former homes and land to move into a military enclave?

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          You are extremely naive if you think that a military checkpoint would solve this problem. Egypt was not able to stop Hamas terrorists and their supplies going back and forth through the Rafah border crossing to commit acts of terror in the Sinai peninsula for example. And that was during “business as usual”, not in a situation where potentially hundreds of thousands of people would likely have to go through.

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            Bold of you to assume Egypt isn’t complicit in letting that happen lol.

            Their military literally runs on bribery. So much so that there’s a local conspiracy there that Egypt provided Israel with all the intel during the 6 day war because they had no intention of fighting and negotiated to get Gaza off their hands in exchange for never having to worry about Israel again.

            Again though, my point is that Hamas as an entity wouldn’t exist if Palestinians were considered regular citizens and not forced off from their own property.

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              Again though, my point is that Hamas as an entity wouldn’t exist if Palestinians were considered regular citizens and not forced off from their own property.

              This may be true and it would be good to consider this when deciding what to do after Hamas is gone, but it doesn’t change anything about current situation. The fact is that thinking a military checkpoint would filter out terrorists is incredibly naive, and whether Israel cares about the lives of civilians or not likely wouldn’t change this particular issue at all.

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        Why does Israel not let people leave and use its famed intelligence services to identify who the Hamas fighters are? It is looking like the Israeli government simply prefers collective punishment or even genocide.