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- europe@lemmy.ml
Berlin’s immigration authorities are moving to deport four young foreign residents on allegations related to participation in protests against Israel’s war on Gaza, an unprecedented move that raises serious concerns over civil liberties in Germany.
The deportation orders, issued under German migration law, were made amid political pressure and over internal objections from the head of the state of Berlin’s immigration agency.
The internal strife arose because three of those targeted for deportation are citizens of European Union member states who normally enjoy freedom of movement between E.U. countries. None of the four has been convicted of any crimes.
“What we’re seeing here is straight out of the far right’s playbook,” said Alexander Gorski, a lawyer representing two of the protesters. “You can see it in the U.S. and Germany, too: Political dissent is silenced by targeting the migration status of protesters.”
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International law: Conducting and Support of Genocide is Illegal.
U.S./Germany law: Protesting Genocide is Illegal.
The challenge lies in the fact that criticism of Israel is often intertwined with accusations of anti-Semitism. Germany finds itself in a delicate position: on one hand, it has pledged unwavering support to the state of Israel; on the other hand, it must uphold the right to dissent and allow protests against Israeli policies.
It’s not delicate at all.
If you don’t stick to your values when they’re being tested, they’re not values: they’re hobbies.
—Jon Stewart
I don’t understand how the quote applies to the situation described. Germany has a deep responsibility to support Israel because of its history with the Holocaust. However, it also believes in free speech and the right to protest. The challenge is balancing these two—supporting Israel while allowing criticism of its policies without crossing into anti-Semitism.
No, Germany feels a responsibility to help Jews as reparations for the holocaust. Not a blank check to the rightwing Israeli government or giving them a pass when they violate international law. And certainly not violating Germany’s free speech laws by arresting nonviolent protestors condemning a foreign government for their war crimes. There’s no challenge here unless you think every protestor is an anti-Semite.
Here’s the thing: in your view of the world, everything appears simple—everything is either black or white. Protesters are good; cops are bad. Palestine is good; Jews are bad. In reality, the world is far more nuanced.
Not at all what I believe but you’re looking for some kind of excuse to dismiss what I’m saying. I find that it’s always the excuse by Zionists on this sub when an atrocity is pointed out that they support, “it’s complicated,” as if that is a reason to keep up with the injustice. In this case, no it’s not complicated. Germany is violating their free speech laws and undermining their commitment to international law because they are supporting an atrocity. There’s actually easy solutions here with a sensible middle ground, and of course Germany isn’t doing it.
Peace.
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Choosing between an incredibly bad lie to commit genocide and not committing genocide must be a hard choice for Germany, knowing their history and regret for their previous genocide
No wait, Germany is supporting genocide again.
“Germany has pledged unwavering support to a genocidal colonial apartheid” really is not the own Germans think it is.
The world is far too nuanced to be categorized as merely good or evil, as you suggest. Following the atrocities of the Holocaust during World War II, Germany has assumed a profound moral and political obligation to safeguard and support the state of Israel, a commitment that remains a cornerstone of its foreign policy.
Yes, Germany has expressed strong support for Israel during the ongoing conflict, primarily through diplomatic efforts and humanitarian aid to Gaza.
Nuance for genocide what is next nuance for Adolf Hitler? “Well he did kill all those Jews but you have to remember he was denied his art education!”
Here is a good rule to live by:
Genocide bad.
Nobody has ever suggested that genocide is a good thing; that is an argument you introduced yourself. Furthermore, you alleged that Germany supports genocide without elaborating on how this claim is substantiated.
Germany Turns to U.S. Playbook: Deportations Target Gaza War Protesters (Literally the post you are in)
Why should anyone give a fuck about that?
If those EU citizens take it to EU court they’d probably win very easily. Can’t just take away freedom of movement, one of the tenets of the Union, without any due process. Seriously fuck the German politicians who pressured for this. Guess fascism is making a return, didn’t even need the AfD for that.
Albert Einstein is 100% correct.
Israel applying pressure on Germany.
Israel the kings of the world?
Nah if the USA gets blamed (deserved) Germany gets fucking blamed (also deserved as the original fucking Nazis they shouldn’t have been forgiven, either).
Germany, no…
he tried to warn us
Just yesterday people were cheering up germany government for rearming for war and everyone arguing against it was being downvoted.
I was there. It was weird.
“I think re-arming doesn’t do anything but spend money that could be better spent on helping people.”
“Shut up, this is exactly what we need right now!”
“So you don’t care about helping people?”
“That’s a strawman!”
Wow it looks like we were right again, but still downvoted and removed. Odd how that always works.
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well known russia supporter
Never supported the russian government in any of the comments i ever made. You sound brainwashed on propaganda.
Harry, yer a tankie now.
Doesn’t seem very pro Russia to me
Everything anti-genocide is apparently pro-Russia… I’ve been accused of being a tanky, and a Russian shill; and well, I’m most certainly neither of them.
I’m sure i’ve even commented before that they should kill putin but according to the propaganda you must have it tattoed on your body or it doesn’t count and you are still a russian troll.
Look further, he comments a lot. He tries more and more to conceal his views
Also had a look at their comment history, does not look very damning to me. Can you link a comment you are referring to?
He retroactively went a day back in time to “conceal his views” after you called him a Russian shill?
I fucking hate the timeline we’re living in
Fash support fash. Germany has been supporting genocide for a long time.
It’s really amazing how liberals will completely accept genocide up until the very second that it affects them.
It is heart breaking to see Germany begin to give in to fascism again. What happened to “never again!” ???
It’s because: “this time it’s different”
It was a lie.
And in a decade or so, before you know it, Deutschland will be invading Poland again.
Nah, Putin already has marked the map with Trump’s sharpie.
My prediction, built on assuming we’re in the stupidest timeline, is that Germany will try to help the Palestinians…by carving a new homeland for them out of Poland.
People started to claim that the people did the thing that was supposed to never happen again did them with no moral self-justifications. This lead to the same evil people getting away with evil yet again if they pull out a (usually fabricated) crime statistics, etc.
Look, if we don’t tolerate at least a little genocide of somebody else, then we’re basically throwing our votes away. /s
Oh really? How? What genocide?
Uh… The one in Gaza?
Fucking disgusting.
Hmm.
Fuck germany.
Germany likes to pretend they’re super liberal and that they have no fascist citizens. They’ve gone completely to the other side of history where they now pretend like they’re above it all. I’m sick of people pretending like Germany is some sort of promised land
I am a German citizen and we do not pretend we don’t have fascist citizens. Why do you think we do?
Because everything we hear in Canada about Germany is lollipop propaganda about how perfect Germany is. You don’t see it from the inside but to the rest of us, the German government spends money to make themselves look like the country everyone should strive to be. You’re part of the machine so it’s no surprise you’re not aware of how others perceive you.
We are literally told that any Nazi or fascist activity is banned and illegal, and not allowed. yet i see plenty of photos of German neo Nazi rallies
Oh interesting. Can you tell me what they are Spending the money on? I know of DW who often pushes german Propaganda but I think in the whole picture of the news media their reach is relatively small compared to other news outlets’ reach.
But I still don’t think we pretend there aren’t any Nazis in Germany. You may have missed it or the news hasn’t reached you ;) but there was a big wave of protests in 2024 against rightwing extremism here Wikipedia no need to read it all but you can scroll down to the list of protests and look at the participant amounts.
B/c USA is brainwashed by the zionism that Germany supports. We’re raised thinking that Germany changed and is now a leader in anti-semitism, etc. It’s brainwashing.
But anybody with a clue, including many Germans, realizes that their zionism is still anti-semitic AF. It’s an attack on non-fascist jews and a literal genocide against palestinians.
Yeah fuck the Israeli government
I hope they can escalate to Strasbourg. Can they?
Germany is way out of line here.
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Nazis being Nazis
“Good” old Nazi thinking never left the German elites, hence their “unwavering support” for a nation committing Genocide very openly because of the race of its people, hence the highly manipulated Press over there spreading and amplifying race-based views and hence their casual bypassing of legal rights to silence those who would demonstrate against such ultra-racism and the support of Genocide based on it.
They might have changed who the ubermenschen and the untermenshen are but they still keep on classifying people into those two categories by race and treating then very differently, as well as using force to silence dissent against such views and practices.
In light of Russia’s aggressiveness, the recent news of Germany militarizing itself sounds like good news, but in light of the increasing regression of Germany back to their old extreme-racist and repressive practices those are very bad news - a Germany which thinks race justifies Genocide and suppresses by force dissent from such way of thinking is bound to sooner or later once again use such military power against those they deem “lesser races”
