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Summary
A Tesla Cybertruck crashed in Piedmont last November, killing three college students after hitting a cement wall and bursting into flames.
The California Highway Patrol (CHP) attributed the crash to intoxication and high speed but found that the victims likely died from the fire.
Testimony revealed the vehicle’s doors would not open after the crash, preventing rescue attempts. A survivor was pulled out after a bystander broke a window with a tree branch.
The CHP’s investigation into the crash remains ongoing.
Were they supposed to know that with their time machine or divine it through the occult?
Elon has been a public Nazi for a few years now.
MAGA idiot: sure.
Nazi years ago: name high profile headlines years ago that would have made that apparent to the casual public, and not only to obsessive social media dwellers heaping constant attention on his every move. Until the double Nazi salute, I doubt most people had any idea.
This video from 11 months ago goes over what he’s done over the years: https://youtu.be/xDyPSKLy5E4
Not exactly a prominent headline & I don’t see a transcript. The 16-page sources documents links to online references including of a large number of tweets, several articles not regarding Musk, and some news articles on Musk. This is quite a bit to wade through. It’d be better to name clear, prominent headlines as I suggested before. Nonetheless, I’ll glance through.
The articles I’ve glanced through cover his descent into right-wing extremism on X, suspensions of journalists’ accounts, overtures to Putin & Trump. They cover criticism by advertisers & special interests of Musk’s tolerance for the spread of hate speech on X. There was that episode when Musk agreed with a post making a veiled reference to the antisemitic Great Replacement conspiracy theory, which led to denunciations by the ADL, advertisers pulling out, and Musk responding by posting objections to antisemitism & to organizations that push “racism of any kind” and by paying visits to Israel & Auschwitz.
Most of these could be construed as forgettable online MAGA mayhem. While that last episode drew headlines, rather than pin Musk down as a Nazi, a casual observer could easily discount it as online outrage over a MAGA idiot who falls for conspiracy bullshit & rolls that back. They could do that right before they easily forget it.
I don’t deny the conduct is troubling. However, these online distractions don’t exactly make memorable, prominent headlines that conclusively pin Musk down as a Nazi to the casual public. They don’t capture the public’s attention as clearly as Musk’s double Nazi salute.
If you could point out such a headline that the people in the collision would have known before they purchased the vehicle, then I’d concede your point, but at the moment I don’t see it.
Here’s one from 2023. I think this is the one you were talking about.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-truth/index.html
I feel like when I said, “Elon has been a public Nazi for a few years now,” what you heard was, “the general public has known Elon is a Nazi for a few years now.”
Yes, maga idiots have excused his behavior for years, but that doesn’t mean people haven’t been calling him out as a Nazi for those same years because of his obviously Nazi like behavior. The Hitler salute was just the straw that broke the camel’s back, where the general public started to recognize that he is a Nazi. The swastikar didn’t go on sale until after much of this behavior had already been very public, so if you have a Model 3, you may have an excuse, but if you have a Cyberdump, you have no excuse.
Also, it’s just a fucking awful truck. If you’re going to buy a truck, buy a truck, not a vaguely truck shaped vehicle that can’t do what trucks do.
Yes, that piece refers to the same event.
Were you trying to imply moral culpability for people “buying their own coffin from a Nazi” or not? Moral culpability only works if they reasonably would have known, so that “buying it” is a choice eligible for moral consideration.
If you’re merely observing the situation without moral consideration to point out gee, that’s ironic, then I’m forced to agree: that is ironic. However, you seem to be claiming more than that with the word excuse.
Thus, for your claim to work they had to be aware, and since we know nothing about them, we can only reasonably expect they knew if the general public knew. So, I don’t think I misunderstood you.
Excused? No, they do the same and have for years. Feeding into Nazi conspiracy theories & agreeing with Nazis is typical MAGA behavior.
Remember Pizza Gate & the adrenochrome conspiracy? Both have roots in old antisemitic conspiracies of Jews consuming the blood of sacrificed children, though I doubt MAGA conspiracists know that.
Musk had a firm reason to know he was agreeing with a Nazi: the tweet he agreed with was answering a challenge for “cowards” posting “Hitler was right” to explain themselves. Even so, agreeing with Nazi conspiracies doesn’t amount to essentials that define Nazi: white supremacy, advocating for genocide & an ethnostate, etc. It doesn’t surprise me that people often see it as more MAGA idiocy similar to Trump saying both sides include “some very fine people”.
I agree it was public. I also submit that the general public probably saw it as MAGA instead of Nazi if they paid attention at all.
When people shop for a car, the company’s CEO may not be their top consideration if any. In the case of a Cyberflop, they may be looking at the environment, self-driving features, or fall for marketing gimmicks & believe they’re buying the greatest innovation.
Totally. For that alone, they deserve all the blame for getting that deathtrap.
Let’s just forget this minor disagreement. That car’s a piece of shit. Fuck that car.
I don’t think that Cybertruck owners deserve death, but if the Cybertruck kills them, they do share in the blame for not researching how much of a death trap it is. These were college kids, so they probably didn’t even know they should have researched that. The driver was also driving recklessly and under the influence. A safer car may have saved them from their own behavior, but in this case, I think they’re to blame.
That being said, I do think that, now at least, you don’t have an excuse if you buy a Cybertruck. You deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, and you deserve whatever your Cybertruck does to you. If you buy a clown car, you’re a clown.
So agreed, we can forget it. I was being too harsh in this case. And yeah, fuck that car.
I just wanted to say that your debate etiquette is exceptional, first of all. Secondly, I agree on many points. Musk has been a right wing nut job for years. He publicly became a Nazi last year/earlier this year depending on local awareness levels