The main thing I’m learning from this thread is that a surprising number of people don’t shut their machines down when they’re done using them. Which is wild to me.
As someone who knows how to manage the power and update settings in Windows to prevent this from happening, I am learning that Linux users may not understand how to actually configure Windows to their liking. Which is wild to me.
A lot of modern windows laptop don’t let you shut them down.
They use something called Windows Hybrid Sleep and it should be illegal. Selecting shut down in windows will keep the machine in a state where it will turn on at random times to check for updates. Especially fun whrn in your backpack creating a furnace.
Have you seen how fast computers turn on these days (from complete shutdowns)? It’s 2-3 seconds (if hibernation is completely off). Barely an inconvenience - specially not one worth risking the pc turning on by itself on random times.
I mean since the advent of SSDs I’ve not found the boot times of computers to be all that slow and I typically quite like coming back to a clean desktop on a new day rather than having junk from yesterday being thrown at me.
Even if the boot time is fast, you lose a lot of the program states. Not only it takes extra time to load those applications, it’s also a fair amount of effort to put everything back where it should be.
If it was necessary to shut computers down, no problem, it’s not too much time and effort. But there’s normally no need to shut computers down, it’s just wasted time with no benefits (usually).
yeah if ur working on something you should sleep the computer, but if you’re working with, like, one app, or if youre not working on anything, i see no reason not to shutdown ur pc
I was mostly talking about stationary computers, but even in case of a laptop (unless it runs Windows which has terrible sleep management) the benefits of starting your work immediately once you open the lid outweighs the cons of losing a couple percent of battery overnight.
sure? i could bring the same argument back to you:
why wouldn’t you shut it down? so that you can wait a couple of seconds less?
there’s basically no difference. it only depends on what you’re used to doing and maybe if you care about the little electricity that’s being used constantly for little to no reason
But you can’t bring the same argument back to me. Cold booting requires more time and effort. Thus to make that argument, one needs to provide the benefits that compensate for the downsides. Some people provided possible benefits that matter to their specific case, like, PSU makes noise (actually, that was you in a different thread), or they want to save laptop battery, etc. But if we are taking about a modern stationary computer with mains power, there’s practically no benefit to shutting it down, only downsides.
Of course it’s completely valid for somebody to do it out of habit, but they can’t expect to use that as a valid argument for others to do it.
the more time and effort is like, literally a couple of seconds for most pcs, unless it has a hard drive
for now i kind of have to turn my pc off all the time because the roof has a couple of leaks right on top of where my stuff is and it could rain at any time. when i move i’ll probably keep turning it off though, as i always turn it on and go and get something to eat, so boot time makes no difference, and i just personally hate it when it turns on from any key press
If you have a watercooled system getting less hours on the pump is always good, especially with a cheaper AIO.
Also not all pumps are completely quiet when in sleep
i mean, i used to have an old power supply that made a pretty loud high pitched noise constantly so i had to always turn the switch to go to sleep. maybe they have something similar in the motherboard
For me the only thing I needed to “put back where it should be” was my VPN. Bu I switched to wireguard from Eddie, so now I don’t need to adjust anything on startup
Sign in states for tokens expire when you power cycle. If you’re in IT or moving between classes, not only would you have to wait for power down and power on each stop you make,you’d also need to sign into every tool you use that requires credentials. I work as a field tech for an MSP. If I had to shut down at the end of each stop and boot back up then I’d have to spend 20-30 minutes signing back into my RMM, ticket system, azure portal, knowledge base etc on top of the site specific stuff I’m already going to have to sign into for that stop. Sleep great. Just disable S0 sleep.
Shitty software? The software is great. It sucks that we live in a world that needs MFA to be secure. I also don’t think any software exists in the IT space that doesn’t require some sign in. Every RMM on the planet is going to require secure sign on and so will every knowledge base software. You also need to sign in to access things like domain DNS. Most of my job is locked behind half a dozen sign ins. That’s how it goes for MSPs anything else would be unsecure.
me too. i see no reason not to shut it down, unless boot time takes way too long (you dont have an ssd), you use windows (always takes too long), or you have a bunch of apps open and don’t want to lose the workflow.
though i just have to shutdown anyway because my pc is right under a couple of roof leaks and it might rain while i’m sleeping or not at home
Look, I used to work with computers that would take 5 minutes to turn on. I’m done waiting for computers to boot, I want it to take the least time it can. If hibernation takes just 1 second off, I’m gonna use it.
When I got my first (and only) PC, it was outright SUGGESTED to never power it down. By HP. So yeah I just sleep my computer, and yes I have to deal with the bullshit in the meme lol
Always wondered why the fuck my PC is awake before I even touch it.
The main thing I’m learning from this thread is that a surprising number of people don’t shut their machines down when they’re done using them. Which is wild to me.
As someone who knows how to manage the power and update settings in Windows to prevent this from happening, I am learning that Linux users may not understand how to actually configure Windows to their liking. Which is wild to me.
No point. Sleep works great and live updates are flawless.
A lot of modern windows laptop don’t let you shut them down.
They use something called Windows Hybrid Sleep and it should be illegal. Selecting shut down in windows will keep the machine in a state where it will turn on at random times to check for updates. Especially fun whrn in your backpack creating a furnace.
Thankfully it can be disabled via AD policy.
Shouldn’t have to use fucking group policy just to stop your machine updating at inopportune times. Fucking Windows.
It’s always funny to me when people call Linux complicated and in the next sentence say shit like that
As if doing registry edits and group policy stuff is acceptable for basic features and settings
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Ah yes, the greek hydra of IT. Disable one policy, two more shall take it’s place.
You dont need to use group policy.
Admin console: powercfg.exe /hibernate off
Now its off. Hybrid sleep is just a faster Hibernate.
Or just turn off fast Startup in the power settings.
I meant that you can thankfully disable it with group policy so that the 3000 laptops I manage at work don’t all cook in backpacks every day.
Or just disable the Fast Startup option
Ah yeah I forgot about hybrid sleep as I turned if off years ago and forgot it existed. Such a nonsense feature.
I remember you have to press either Shift or Alt for the shutdown button to actually shut down the PC.
is that not on by default for every windows installation?
Why would you? Sleep uses so little power and the resume is instant.
If it wasn’t for S0 standby being such a piece of shit I’d never shutdown my computer unless it was for an update or hardware maintenance.
Have you seen how fast computers turn on these days (from complete shutdowns)? It’s 2-3 seconds (if hibernation is completely off). Barely an inconvenience - specially not one worth risking the pc turning on by itself on random times.
Because a laptop waking from sleep while in a bag is a fire hazard.
If S0 standby wasn’t so shit, or we could go back to old reliable S1-3 that wouldn’t be an issue.
I mean since the advent of SSDs I’ve not found the boot times of computers to be all that slow and I typically quite like coming back to a clean desktop on a new day rather than having junk from yesterday being thrown at me.
Even if the boot time is fast, you lose a lot of the program states. Not only it takes extra time to load those applications, it’s also a fair amount of effort to put everything back where it should be.
If it was necessary to shut computers down, no problem, it’s not too much time and effort. But there’s normally no need to shut computers down, it’s just wasted time with no benefits (usually).
yeah if ur working on something you should sleep the computer, but if you’re working with, like, one app, or if youre not working on anything, i see no reason not to shutdown ur pc
Even if it’s only one app, what is the purpose? To save on electricity that powers RAM?
Well yes why not save that battery power
I was mostly talking about stationary computers, but even in case of a laptop (unless it runs Windows which has terrible sleep management) the benefits of starting your work immediately once you open the lid outweighs the cons of losing a couple percent of battery overnight.
Why would you loose that couple percent of battery if boot time is fast and only have two apps for the work
sure? i could bring the same argument back to you:
why wouldn’t you shut it down? so that you can wait a couple of seconds less?
there’s basically no difference. it only depends on what you’re used to doing and maybe if you care about the little electricity that’s being used constantly for little to no reason
But you can’t bring the same argument back to me. Cold booting requires more time and effort. Thus to make that argument, one needs to provide the benefits that compensate for the downsides. Some people provided possible benefits that matter to their specific case, like, PSU makes noise (actually, that was you in a different thread), or they want to save laptop battery, etc. But if we are taking about a modern stationary computer with mains power, there’s practically no benefit to shutting it down, only downsides.
Of course it’s completely valid for somebody to do it out of habit, but they can’t expect to use that as a valid argument for others to do it.
the more time and effort is like, literally a couple of seconds for most pcs, unless it has a hard drive
for now i kind of have to turn my pc off all the time because the roof has a couple of leaks right on top of where my stuff is and it could rain at any time. when i move i’ll probably keep turning it off though, as i always turn it on and go and get something to eat, so boot time makes no difference, and i just personally hate it when it turns on from any key press
Make it quiet so I can go to sleep
But a sleeping computer is just as quiet as a shut down computer… Which is totally silent. I don’t get it.
If you have a watercooled system getting less hours on the pump is always good, especially with a cheaper AIO. Also not all pumps are completely quiet when in sleep
i mean, i used to have an old power supply that made a pretty loud high pitched noise constantly so i had to always turn the switch to go to sleep. maybe they have something similar in the motherboard
For me the only thing I needed to “put back where it should be” was my VPN. Bu I switched to wireguard from Eddie, so now I don’t need to adjust anything on startup
See I want all the junk from yesterday.
Just like the brain computers need off-time to calm their electrons and unflip their bits.
/s but a lot of issues really are solved by a reboot
The only reason why my uptime is only a month is because I took my PC with me on a work trip which involved packing it.
Sign in states for tokens expire when you power cycle. If you’re in IT or moving between classes, not only would you have to wait for power down and power on each stop you make,you’d also need to sign into every tool you use that requires credentials. I work as a field tech for an MSP. If I had to shut down at the end of each stop and boot back up then I’d have to spend 20-30 minutes signing back into my RMM, ticket system, azure portal, knowledge base etc on top of the site specific stuff I’m already going to have to sign into for that stop. Sleep great. Just disable S0 sleep.
That’s ass. Your bosses should be moving away from that shitty software
Shitty software? The software is great. It sucks that we live in a world that needs MFA to be secure. I also don’t think any software exists in the IT space that doesn’t require some sign in. Every RMM on the planet is going to require secure sign on and so will every knowledge base software. You also need to sign in to access things like domain DNS. Most of my job is locked behind half a dozen sign ins. That’s how it goes for MSPs anything else would be unsecure.
me too. i see no reason not to shut it down, unless boot time takes way too long (you dont have an ssd), you use windows (always takes too long), or you have a bunch of apps open and don’t want to lose the workflow.
though i just have to shutdown anyway because my pc is right under a couple of roof leaks and it might rain while i’m sleeping or not at home
honest question, because i use windows and i shut down every day. is 20 seconds really “too long” for a full boot up?
I think a lot of people are still stuck in the HDD days where windows could take 15-20 mins for a cold boot.
But I only sleep windows because I like to get game updates while I sleep.
no, i was joking about the windows part there
i’d say too long is 1 minute or more
Look, I used to work with computers that would take 5 minutes to turn on. I’m done waiting for computers to boot, I want it to take the least time it can. If hibernation takes just 1 second off, I’m gonna use it.
When I got my first (and only) PC, it was outright SUGGESTED to never power it down. By HP. So yeah I just sleep my computer, and yes I have to deal with the bullshit in the meme lol
Always wondered why the fuck my PC is awake before I even touch it.
Back in the day we did that because it too long to boot so we never shut it down.
20 years later we have servers at home that we never shut down.
To be fair I don’t always use it like that but suspend is convenient if I have a continuous work that is scattered all around.
what i’d day is “always turn off your computer when you’re done using it”, meaning you sleep it when you have work you don’t want to lose.