These 12 major companies caved to the far right and stopped DEI programs - eviltoast
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    6 hours ago

    Oh look on the picture: the first one is corporate scum, the second one is also corporate scum and somehow the third one is also corporate scum

  • Let's Go 2 the Mall!@lemmy.world
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    well damn. I was considering a Ford Maverick because my car is old and is having problems. guess I’ll look elsewhere. No new Toyota either.

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      Get a Mazda, they arent perfect (they dmca’d the Homeassistant integration), but at least they have immediately started to help Californias and as far as I was able to find out, they didn’t crawl in to Trump’s pocket…at least, until now… Only downside is, the CX-50 is made in the same plant as the Toyota Corolla Cross.

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    Amazon

    Meta

    McDonald’s

    Walmart

    Molson coors

    Ford motor

    John Deere

    Lowes

    Harley Davidson

    Brown Forman

    Tractor supply

    Toyota

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        You reply to Amazon recruiters? The last email I got wanted me to move across the country and go to the office. I almost replied hahahahahhaha but decided it was more professional not to reply at all

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          The most serious discussions I’ve heard about adjusting comp and benefits have been around hiring and retention, so I figure turning down recruiters may be my best chance to affect practices.

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    I can’t think of another time in history where we got a new president then all of a sudden all these companies come out and change their policies so quickly. It’s weird it’s over social issues too

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      It’s almost like… They never cared in the first place. I don’t know why so many people are shocked. They only ever cared about money. The millisecond they were no longer at risk of losing capitol for not having a thing of course they were all gonna drop it.

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      It’s all money. They change their policies to suit their shareholders. The shareholders could not care less that they are discriminating against minority groups.

      Fuck all of this. I hope every CEO gets what is coming to them-Painfully, broadcasted live.

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      It is weird along with the whole tail end of the election and the confidence Trump and Musk displayed knowing they were going to retake control. I wonder if they have something secret in their back pocket that they’re using as leverage which we’ll all see at some later date.

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        The Republicans rigged the election!? That entire accusation of the Democrats stealing the 2020 election was just one big confession.

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          I don’t suspect that they did, though I wouldn’t put it past them. I think it’s more along the lines of some highly effective (for them) weaponized governance that they plan on rolling out soon.

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      The nationwide poll (aka, the election) was a pretty good data point for current feelings on the topic. It’s not nearly as cool today to hire people based on their race.

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    19 hours ago

    How about we hire and promote people who are correct for the job, regardless of their gender or race?

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      Because the people who are ‘correct’ for the job always end up being white guys who are direct relatives of someone in management

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      Fully agree in an ideal world.

      But in practice, if men, for example, are the only people hired, they tend to be the only people who get experience, making them always the most qualified for the job.

      Extra Facts: For jobs behind the camera, there are something like, only 13% of women employed in the film industry. Not all industries are equal so your through fits really well in some places and less so in others.

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        For jobs behind the camera, there are something like, only 13% of women employed in the film industry.

        That doesn’t necessarily imply sexism at all, note. If it turns out women are just 6 times less likely than men to want to have these jobs, then this percentage would be 13% in a perfect non-sexist world. (Though 13% is concerningly low; the percentage of women that go into computer science is around 20-25% and that’s one of the strongest effects. Plausibly the remaining 1.5-2x difference here is due to sexism; I can buy filmmaking being one of the most sexist industries).

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          I can’t speak for the whole industry, but I’m a person who wanted to make movies and started out as a film major. When you walk into a room as a student and it’s all men, you want to quit because you feel like you aren’t supposed to be there.

          As a developer now, I still feel this way, but I’m a grown up now and I just ignore that feeling.

          I think women want to do these jobs but they feel like they aren’t allowed to, or are directly told they aren’t allowed to.

          13% is the average of all behind the camera jobs. Composers, cinematographers, writers, directors. There are more women in writing positions and there are very few female composers.

          Geena Davis Institute and Women in Film if it’s something you’d like to know about.

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            Oh also, Geena Davis Institute does a lot of great research on how men and boys are portrayed in film too. It’s not just about women’s problems.

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          If it turns out women are just 6 times less likely than men to want to have these jobs,

          Suggesting that women don’t want to work in a fully bro-culture environment isn’t really the best arguement you could make.

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      DEI didn’t force anyone to hire anybody

      If a corporation wants free money then they can staff a diverse workforce. It’s literally always been a choice.

      Only the idiots are convinced this is a real issue at all. It’s a distraction from actual problems in the world that negativity effect people.

      DEI laws were required to be created during integration because non whites were being denied loans, jobs, and houses based on race, those are the real DEI laws they want to repeal along side diversity subsidies.

      BTW incentivizing diversity measurably improves the wealth/income gap between whites/non whites today and helps upward mobility, which is why they still exist.

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      19 hours ago

      As long as you’re on board with systemic racism, sure. DEI programs were created to address historic discrimination against minorities.

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        I would argue that if your goal is to fix systemic racism, a much more effective approach would be to target the pipeline problem early on by focusing on improving education systems in poor/racial minority communities. Their difficulties in competing later on in life stem directly (and I would argue most strenuously) from disadvantages they experience early on. If companies see improvements in the resumes of racial minorities, they will naturally be more likely to hire them; I would argue that their greed for having the best employees will override the racial biases of White CEOs and HR managers.

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          by focusing on improving education systems

          The same people removing DEI legal protections are also gutting the education system.

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          Better resumes are good, but there are plenty of studies showing bias towards the name alone on a resume and that a white-sounding name gets more bites than names more associated with a minority race.

          People have biases, conscious or not. Did you know that women’s positions in orchestras increased greatly after switching to blind auditions? And I can’t find a legit source in 2 min of searching, but there’s also been indication that the sound of high heels affects hiring outcomes even in blind auditions.

          Example studies on names and hiring outcomes: 2004, 2023, 2024 (even the “best” companies still showed a 3% bias towards white candidates vs 24% for the worst), 2016

          So yeah, there are a fuckton of steps to addressing systemic racism and starting early in the process is a critical step. But the narrative that an equivalent resume is all that’s needed to close the gap is false and dangerous.

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            Oh, I agree, and I wasn’t trying to suggest what I wrote above was all that’s needed. I’m a big proponent of racially blind admissions/hiring processes. Exclude any data that could be construed as being race-identifying. The more we can force admissions/hiring to base their choices solely on performance-relative metrics alone, the better.

            However, I have to admit that such a goal is a bit unrealistic. Race-identifying information will likely always find a way into admissions/hiring processes, simply because of interviews. I don’t claim to know how to create the perfect system, obviously. This is a complex problem that people a lot smarter and more educated than I have been striving to solve for decades.

            But I think that raising people up from the very bottom of society is still the best approach, the most efficient way to do that is by focusing on disadvantages experienced early in life. If you can level the playing field during kindergarten, you provide a more equal launch pad for every stage of life thereafter; keep working up from there and we’ll eventually wind up with a more equal result in adulthood.

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            I never said addressing systemic racism was limited to addressing said issues in educational attainment alone. Clearly, it’s a multifaceted problem that requires a broad range of fixes.

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              if your goal is to fix systemic racism, a much more effective approach would be to target the pipeline problem

              You really fucking implied it.

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                You can externalize your assumptions all you want; it doesn’t change the fact that interpersonal communication is the responsibility of all involved.

                I.e., grow up and stop winging about minor details on internet forums.

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                  You literally said that it’s “more effective” to give Black people better resumes than to stop systematic racism at the top.

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            Eh. Yes, if you’re looking at the data from efficacy studies alone. However, I would argue that DEI programs create political turmoil that creates harm to society that these studies don’t take into account. Addressing systemic racism is important, but DEI approaches have created understandable division about majority groups being discriminated against in the service of fixing the problem. I think focusing on wealth inequality has the overlapping effect of helping minority racial groups while sidestepping the race politics inherent to DEI programs that give fuel to racist groups in society.

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              The turmoil is manufactured. Nobody actually gives a shit except Fox News being livid about companies having the woke, and people who regurgitate it.

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                Only in the same sense that most political opinions are “manufactured” by mainstream news outlets. It doesn’t really matter. DEI’s problems are valid criticisms, and you can’t simply dismiss them because they’re highlighted by right-wing outlets.

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          I would argue that if your goal is to fix systemic racism, a much more effective approach would be to target the pipeline problem early on by focusing on improving education systems in poor/racial minority communities.

          Well the Republicans are getting rid of DEI and the Department of Education.

          So our education is about to get a lot worse, but at least minorities will have a harder time getting jobs!

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            Republicans’ motivations for getting rid of DEI certainly aren’t mine. Believe it or not, there are people out there who disagree with the DEI approach but still agree that systemic racism/sexism in society is a problem that needs addressing. Don’t lump me in with the GOP.

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              So systemic racism still effects opportunities of minoritiy communities up to today and you understand that.

              How do we counteract this systemic racism without systemic changes? You want to change things without changing anything. Making people educated doesn’t fix racism.

              What if I told you that DEI was the result of an educated society making the most effective changes to the system to counteract systemic racism?

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    Ok. Not sure it matters. Those programs were largely symbolic anyway.
    Is there any real data suggesting they had any positive effect on anything?

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      While not exactly the same thing as DEI programs, affirmative action programs have a history of efficacy studies that demonstrate positive (if only moderately so) results. However, there’s also solid research that points to backlash effects and criticisms of “positive discrimination.” In other words, while affirmative action programs do somewhat accomplish their goals of helping minority groups achieve, they come at the cost of intentionally discriminating against majority groups (mainly Whites), which understandably creates antipathy towards them from the majority groups. Also, despite some people’s claims that these programs don’t give slots to minority candidates with weaker test scores, resumes, etc, actual examinations of them have shown that this is not actually the case in practice, and that companies and schools have given preference for weaker scoring minority candidates in order to create the public image of being more diverse.

      Basically, affirmative action is a mixed bag and I suspect DEI programs are similarly so. The overall net effect may still be positive though, if only slightly.

      Personally, I think a better strategy would be to improve education systems for poor communities. Instead of focusing on race directly, focus on improving outcomes for the poor. Due to overlaps in racial and economic variables, you’ll wind up helping racial minorities while avoiding the criticism of engaging in “positive discrimination.” Plus, fixing the pipeline problem early on is a more efficient approach, since it focuses on preventing people from failing early on rather than trying to fix their failures later on.

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      As a trans person, I can tell you that it’s generally pretty huge to see it in the mission statement, but followthrough and clearly outlined internal policy is priceless.

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        DEI didn’t force anyone to hire anybody

        If a corporation wants free money then they can staff a diverse workforce. It’s literally always been a choice.

        Only the idiots are convinced this is a real issue at all. It’s a distraction from actual problems in the world that negativity effect people.

        DEI laws were required to be created during integration because non whites were being denied loans, jobs, and houses based on race, those are the real DEI laws they want to repeal along side diversity subsidies.

        BTW incentivizing diversity measurably improves the wealth/income gap between whites/non whites today and helps upward mobility, which is why they still exist.,

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      DEI policy costs corporation = ~3% of its training budget. The reality of a woman being hired for a position she would have never been considered for before DEI = priceless.

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    You know who hasn’t abolished DEI efforts yet and asked shareholders to vote against abandoning them? Apple. And historically Apple tends to beat the market. So imma go ahead and make a the wild statement that these companies will eat a bag of dicks in 10 years and end up adopting DEI under another name while Apple stays the course.

    I do think that badly implemented DEI is worse than no DEI and many orgs implemented it badly so this could be a net positive in the end.

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      Yes, but Apple has also built their empire on horrible practices in China and by exploiting tax loopholes to the point where they regularly pay zero taxes. I’m not trying to be a purist here—I have an iPhone and an Apple Watch—but I don’t think their retainment of DEI programs should be construed as a moral choice; Apple products are largely purchased by liberals, so they have a public image to mind if they’re going to avoid reducing sales by pissing off their main customer market.

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        I would argue that Apple has actually done more to increase the quality of working conditions in China than any other company. Is it still a horrible environment, yes, but without Apple I’m not sure that it would have been better.

        I don’t find a problem with exploiting tax loopholes because 9/10 times the loopholes are there by design, this is something to take up with the IRS and the government, because corporations HAVE to take advantage of said loopholes to stay competitive.

        But to address directly your comment, I didn’t say that them retaining DEI was a moral choice. I believe it was a business decision, which is why I framed it as them historically beating the market while these firms don’t. Apple has clearly seen the value of DEI in their revenue and operations, otherwise they would be cutting the program real quick.

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      Tim Apple donated to the guy who wants to make DEI illegal though, so if Apple does stay the course, I just hope it ends up being under someone else’s leadership.

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        Research clearly shows most corporate entities (and their figureheads) donate to both sides of the political game. They want to have friends in power no matter who wins the election.

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        Tim is a very pragmatic man, and like any CEO he’s not an ideologue so he paid the bribe. It’s the cost of doing business under the corrupt Trump administration. Is he a coward for doing so? Maybe. But if he didn’t pay it and Trump acted against Apple the blame would fall on Tim and he would be replaced with someone friendlier towards Trump. Maybe Tim figured it was better he stayed in charge to minimize damage, as gay man who has no doubt faced his fair share of persecution and prejudice.

        Then again Peter Thiel is also gay and he’s the puppet master behind Silicon Valley’s sudden heel turn. So is Sam Altman who is also donating.

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      I don’t think consumers really cared until the rightwing brainwashing machine told them it was the most pressing topic in existence right now.

      I see people online screaming that they’re going to cancel their costco membership because they decided to keep the program. I have yet to see a single person explain how Costco’s hiring decisions affect them in any way.

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      I would wager the vast majority of consumers don’t give a damn about things like this. And in cases that they do, it’s much more likely that they’ll care about the absence of such programs than the reverse.

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        A minority got promoted instead of him and he can’t admit that they deserved it.

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          I’m a manager who’s tired of wasting my time interviewing candidates that were picked because they are a minority but actually not qualified for the job

          It’s a waste of time for me just as much as it is the candidate

          Also the last unix admin I hired was black who didn’t indicate on their application that they are a minority. He got the interview and then the job because he knew how unix worked. Not because he is black. Do you follow me?

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            As a manager I have the ability to screen resumes and not interview people who aren’t qualified so as to not waste everyone’s time.

            You need to work on your hiring process.

            Do you follow me?

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        Because choosing people based on skin colour is racist

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          That’s true but that’s not what DEI is for. It’s aim is to simply be inclusive and not exclusive. DEI was never intended to be a quota or to hire someone less qualified simply because of race. That is actually racism.

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            Yet that’s how many orgs implemented it which is why so many people are against it. It’s not that DEI is bad, it’s that badly implemented DEI is worse than no DEI at all. But the pendulum ever swings and always with more momentum towards progress.

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              Utter trash. Please show me the organization that hired more women and minorities than white males.

              The DEI pendelum allowed a few woman and even fewer minorities the chance at a job they could never get and now it is time to swing back to all white males again.

              It is an extreme sexist and racist overreaction, end of story.

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                Could you explain how DEI works in practice. Not in theory or what it is supposed to do, but rather how companies implemented it and carried it out.

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                  Sure, I do find it strange that you edgelords who seem to have a hard time with DEI training have never taken it

                  You take a class either independently or with a group. During this time you receive instruction explaining how all people are of value and how having a diverse range of decision makers produces better decisions.

                  There may be some scenarios that highlight how having, let’s say a woman in the workplace could be helpful. Imagine a bunch of men sitting around bitchinng about their wives. The women in the group explains something about how women think and the guys realize that they are misinterpreting what their wives are doing.

                  That is about the gist of it. In a lot of ways it is the kind of lesson you would learn in kindergarten. A lot of people never got this lesson and are extremely racist and sexist. DEI attempts to deliver the message they never got.

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          Woah there buddy, it is women who have benefited the most from DEI. Depending on your reaction to this you can tell if you are really more sexist than racist.

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            Doesn’t your point simply mean DEI encourages more sexism than racism, but doesn’t actually deny it encourages racism too?

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              If you think giving a minority or women a shot at a job they would have never had the opportunity to get is racist or sexist then you have your answer.

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                  You merely have to answer the question. Please state whether you feel it is sexist/racist or not.

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            That’s sexist

            You basically are saying women are inferior to men if they need to be given special consideration in the hiring process

            • Doomsider@lemmy.world
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              You are the one that said they are inferior. DEI teaches us that all humans have value and that diversity is good for decision making.