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  • Zink@programming.dev
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    2 months ago

    You very much do have the right to do that, as you should. And you don’t have to justify it for any reason.

    But IF you have a preference between the R and D candidates, and somebody points out that you mathematically helped the one you dislike by voting third party or staying home, they are still correct. It’s not any kind of moral or ethical thing on its own; it’s just a side effect of how our voting system is designed.

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      2 months ago

      I don’t understand how it’s not a moral or ethical thing. Morals and ethics literally define which policy you vote for and mathematically helping or being neutral to the side you know will do things worse for your morals I feel like is pretty directly connected.

      Don’t get me wrong, I sympathize. My preferred candidate has done some bad things but it’s not even close to how bad the other candidate is. If the two candidates were Hitler and mecha Hitler like I’m not gonna be happy but I’m voting for the less bad of the two. Third parties are just not mathematically viable

      Also vote shaming is like peak democracy. You have a right to disagree with me and vote however you like. I’m not trying to take that away from people voting third party but I also have a right to complain about it

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        2 months ago

        I meant that pointing out that you’re helping the person you don’t like isn’t a judgment call or an insult or anything. It’s just describing the mechanics of the system, whether you prefer the good guy or the bad guy.

        Your actual vote choice is chock full of morals and ethics though!

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        2 months ago

        Ethics and morals are a murky thing. Simon de Beauvoir wrote a whole book called The Ethics of Ambiguity on it and everything. Wouldn’t it also be unethical for me to vote against my own conscious?

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      2 months ago

      It’s objectively false to say that you “mathematically helped the one you dislike.” If you remove a third party voter from existence, then both major parties receive the same number of votes and have the same chance to win. What you mean to say is that third party votes pass on an opportunity to help/hinder the candidate the voter prefers more/less.

      • Rhoeri@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Man…

        How many people are you going to get wrecked by before you stop? I’m seriously embarrassed for you.

        You have no logical point to make here. And it’s been pointed out to you to the point that you HAVE to be trolling. There’s no other reason for someone to be this stupid unless it’s purely intentional.