Florida is nearing toss-up status as top Republican poll shows Trump’s lead nearly vanished - eviltoast
  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Pretty big deal if it holds up another week or two.

    Note however, that NS does not have them as being this close:

    *Checking the other results in FL, this is a bit of a fever dream. Only engage with it if you haven’t had some time for self-care this morning.

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      3 months ago

      Keep in mind that ~R+3 is itself close and withing the margin of error of a lot of polls. Many of the swing states have had near D+3 margins in the average at one point

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        A bigger issue than MOE is structural bias.

        Here is FL 2020:

        Dem’s face a self-imposed structural disadvantage in both inter and intrastate models.

        R+3 in FL should be read more accurately as R+6 or R+7 based on the best most recent structural bias measurement we have. The article is weekend whacking material.

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          That’s assuming the polling error goes the same way. That’s not a given at all especially as many pollsters have made methodology changes such as some doing much heavier rural sampling

          Polling error has gone both directions in the past. Dems were underestimated by polls in 2012 for instance

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            3 months ago

            You should base it on the data we have. The data we have says the polling bias for FL leans +3-4 for Republicans.

            You dont get to just “wish” it were some other way and base expectations around that.

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              Polling error has historically moved in inconsistent direction. Data goes back further than 2020. In 2012, Democrats were underestimated in florida by ~2 points. Romney was up 1.5% in Florida poll average vs Obama winning Florida by 0.9%

              Assuming it certain to go that way is not a given either. My point is that you cannot be certain about it

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                My point is that you cannot be certain about it

                Yeah and thats not really a point. Everything has uncertainty. We have to and do make judgements in the face of uncertainty of reality all the time.

                If you choose to live in a fact based reality rather, this is the thing we have.

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                  That’s not how your earlier comments are phrased. The earlier comments declare that this is a given structural bias and that it will always exist. How is entirely ignoring the 2012 election any more real than saying we can’t be sure?

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                    declare that this is a given structural bias and that it will always exist

                    You just lack reading comprehension.

                    The quote is:

                    best most recent structural bias measurement

                    The previous comments said, “the best most recent estimate of structural bias”, which was Trump v Biden 2020. Its the best because its not a simulation or modeling. Its two measured values. I’ve seen simulations and statistical models to estimate things like structural bias, but none of them are as good as a measurement. We should use the measurement.

                    I get it. You’ve got an axe to grind. And at this point you might be better off inside a warm fantastic cocoon where Harris is crushing it and is going to win FL and TX. It might be the last light of joy you get to experience.