Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending Sunday 6 October 2025 - eviltoast

Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last weekā€™s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

  • Soyweiser@awful.systems
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    re: how can a chatbot help with life?

    This just their brains on science fiction, they think chatbot can help like the independent AI agents could in the science fiction they half remember. Or at least they think marketing it like that will appeal to people.

    A lot less, ā€˜Copilot make this list of bullet points into an emailā€™ and more ā€˜Copilot, lock on to the intruder, close the bulkheads after them and flush it to the nearest trash compactorā€™.

    I think that ā€˜giving microsoft the power to do things in my behalfā€™ is quite an iffy decision to make, but that is just me. Ow look it autorenewed your licenses for you, and bought a subscription Copaint, it even got you a deal not 240 dollars per year, but 120, a steal!

    E: I saw this image and because cursed eyeballs is the gift that keeps on giving, I will link it to yall as well, nsfw warning. This is the AI future microsoft wants

    • YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems
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      I think itā€™s also a case of thinking about form before function. Itā€™s not quite as bad a case as the metaverse nonsense was, but thereā€™s still a lack of curiosity about the sci-fi they read. In most stories that treat AI as anything less than a god, the replacement of people with artificial tools is about either what gets lost (the I, Robot movie, Wall-E) or the fact that effectively replacing people requires creating something with the same moral worth (Blade Runner, I, Robot, the Aasimov collection, etc).

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      I am neutral on MSFT - to me itā€™s a bog standard transnational company with better than most working conditions because itā€™s not making stuff you can make in sweatshops. But itā€™s really impressive how theyā€™ve gone from the beige-box tyranny of Appleā€™s 1984 ad, via the ā€œHalloween Papersā€ era where they were every Linux weenieā€™s biggest boogeyman, to todayā€™s bland backer of OpenAI. Note that theyā€™re not really advertising it. How many people who are horrified by Copilotā€™s Recall feature also know theyā€™re the biggest investor in the company that makes ChatGPT?

      From a corporate governance perspective, being so central to the tech industry for so long is kinda impressive.

      • David Gerard@awful.systemsM
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        this is why i keep hammering on how, functionally, OpenAI is a branch of MS and theyā€™re only separate so OpenAIā€™s reputation doesnā€™t stain MS.

      • istewart@awful.systems
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        Despite the industryā€™s deeply ingrained neophilia, I think it speaks to the importance of backwards compatibility and legacy systems.

        I canā€™t help but think that the genAI craze will end up being a regrettable side-quest along the path to ā€œcoding for non-programmersā€ akin to Visual Basic. But hey, I bet thereā€™s a lot more legacy VB apps being kept alive out there than anyone would be comfortable with.

        • gerikson@awful.systems
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          Despite having been one of those Linux weenies back in the day I have a lot of respect for the amount of work MS puts into backwards compatibility, dev tool upkeep, etc. And now theyā€™re actually Open Source! Hell hath frozen over (or they realized no universities wanted to pay Visual Studio licenses and lost a couple of generations of coders to Linux)

          • bitofhope@awful.systems
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            And now theyā€™re actually Open Source!

            Eh, kind of but also not. VS Code is proprietary, but you have the vscode:vscodium::chrome:chromium thing. Unlike in Chromiumā€™s case, the proprietary version actually comes with some amenities one might actually care about (mainly in the plugin repository).

            You could say Open Source got some big wins in 2010s, leading to MSFT doing their fair share of contributions to Free software and openwashing as much of the rest as they can manage, but letā€™s not kid ourselves. They wouldnā€™t need to openwash if most of their stuff werenā€™t still proprietary. Last I checked MSVC, SQL Server, Azure, Copilot, IIS, Power BI, and the DirectX SDKs were all totally closed and jealously guarded.

          • froztbyte@awful.systems
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            And now theyā€™re actually Open Source

            sorta, but itā€™s a veneer in furtherance of other goals (telemetry, market dominance, and control)

            one of the things I do with my computers is run LittleSnitch in always-prompt mode (LS is an app-level firewalling solution on macos), and hooo boy do I hate it when I end up having to open/touch vscode for some reason. the last time I did, I spent most of the first 5 minutes being prompted for (undeclared!) connections vscode attempted to make in the name of telemetry. similar experience with vscodium interacting with packages, and a bunch of their toolchains