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  • Mr Fish@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    There are four options for American voters: vote red, vote blue, vote third party, or don’t vote at all.

    Voting red is just bad. I highly doubt that the Gaza situation would get any better if Trump gets in, but I know for a fact that a lot of things will get much worse.

    Voting third party is a wasted effort. Sure, every sane person would prefer different people to run America, but the the shit fptp system means they’ll never get any traction. In another election voting third party could be worth it, since a third party might slowly get more support, but not this one.

    Not voting is just pointless. That’s just choosing to not impact anything.

    That only leaves voting blue. It’s not great, but it’s the only option left.

    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      but the the shit fptp system means they’ll never get any traction

      When do we fix the electoral system?

      In another election voting third party could be worth it

      Which one? Every election since before my time has been the most important election ever…

    • danciestlobster@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      Maybe this is overly wishful thinking, but I do think there is enough data analysis on how people vote that it could be real: if a large body of people with a history of voting blue vote in this election and vote blue down the ballot but omit the president, or have a third party for the president instead, then that might actually send a message to the Democrats that they are fucking up their candidate selection badly, and make them at least marginally more likely to cater to the left when choosing candidates in the future.

      That said I am not sure I can condone this tactic in good faith in this particular election given the alternative, but part of me feels like the right will perpetually have more and more abhorrent alternatives and there needs to be a line somewhere, and if it’s not at genocide then I honestly don’t know where it is.

      No matter how you look at it all the options are bad. At least Tim being slightly left of Kamala shows Democrats slightly more willing to negotiate with disenfranchised left voters than chasing nebulous farther right independents. Not left enough to condemn genocide though so a very minor distinction

    • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      I highly doubt that the Gaza situation would get any better if Trump gets in, but I know for a fact that a lot of things will get much worse.

      What would Trump do that the Dems are not already doing? Trump would be a genocidal monster, yes, but we have DNC goers literally mocking Pro-Palestinian protestors and covering their ears:

      There are four options for American voters: vote red, vote blue, vote third party, or don’t vote at all.

      Nope, there are an infinite number of options. If a math question is “what number is greater than 10?” And the Dems said 4 and the Reps said 2, that doesn’t mean the Dems are correct. Voting will not save us, so we must move outside the realm of electoralism. Join an org, build up dual power, replace the DNC and GOP by force.

    • zeppo@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      It’s weird how we can try to explain this to people for months straight and they’re still posting stupid memes about it.