Yeah, well, mission failed then.
That’s ok. You can always try again yesterday.
Exactly. If it was possible to travel from the future, we would never see a failed attempt since they would try again. Unless it was intended to be a failed attempt. :)
Except the gunman was killed right? So he wouldn’t be able to try again.
was he “killed”, or did the butterfly effect simply wipe him from existence after he accomplished his task?
He didn’t accomplish anything though did he?
He pretty much guaranteed America will be the fourth reich
Besides all the people saying, “he will surely win now.” I’m not sure how that translates to him winning? Is that like you saying now you’re voting for him, cause those are two different things.
Well, he accomplished enough to change the trajectory of history and wipe his own existence. Doesn’t take much.
Yeah I guess.
Maybe another time traveller disturbed the shooter by pushing him because what would have happened if Trump was shot dead would have been truly apocalyptic in the longer run. Maybe we just witnessed the n-th time loop without remembering the other ones and this is the first one where the bullet only grazes Trump’s ear instead of blowing his brains out so now life on Earth as we know it can continue, and we can post about it on Lemmy.
Well, let’s just hope this managed to avoid some horrible skynet apocalypse 100 years later.
I smell a groundhog loop
PIME TARADOX
Yeah well nice job fucking that one up, John Titor.
I just finished this anime and get this reference. I love being in on da me mes
The anime you saw (which I was unfamiliar with) was based on a “real” thing- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor
Woah thanks for letting me know! If you like anime steins gate is worth a watch.
I also only knew the Stein’s;Gate reference!
Tbf, Stein’s Gate grabbed a LOT of real world shannanigans to weave into their Science Fantasy plot
This was my mostly comical thought. You know how people always say they’d go back and off Hitler? But somehow it never happened so either time travel doesn’t exist, or they just always fail. We’re just getting to see that in real time.
(That said, this fucker definitely changed the future so it’s probably not that.)
In my view, it would be naive to assume that killing Hitler before he became Chancellor would guarantee the prevention of the atrocities that followed, and it might even pose the risk of something worse happening. Events don’t occur in a vacuum. It’s similar to how dropping nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrific events in themselves, but who’s to say those events aren’t the reason nukes have never been used in warfare since? Preventing those bombings might have saved the people in those cities, but it also might have significantly lowered the bar for using nukes, increasing the chance of a true nuclear holocaust during the Cold War, for example.
So maybe time travel is possible, and someone did try to change history by killing Hitler, but then realized the outcome was even worse. Now, they needed an additional assassin to deal with the first one.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki may have prevented the future that the video game series Fallout predicts, as that never happened in their past.
There’s an interesting theory that Hitler was put in place by time travelers as the last-bad option that wouldn’t destroy the timeline.
Hitler (and Trump) made a number of blundering errors that any idiot should’ve/known better than to make. Had a competent, or even a supervillain-type been in charge, things could’ve turned out even worse than they did. You don’t have to look far- some of these villains attach themselves to those in power. Himmler and Heydrich would’ve been far worse for the world, but were somewhat limited by not being the ones directly in power.
I mean, there have been more than a dozen confirmed assassination attempts on Hitler (even suicide bomber attempts among them) and a few more unconfirmed possible attempts. The future did try their best (or just some brave people from the time itself).
Do you realise how many politicians get attacked every day? Do yourself a favour and check it out. It’s a lot, it’s bot not the safest job in the world, many get killed. There had to be an attack by a time traveler at least once
My favourite theory of time travel is that in the vast majority of timelines, travelling back in time guarantees that events will unfold as they always will, as given an infinite number of timelines in entropy there will be at least one timeline that forms a loop, and from that point effectively every timeline follows that loop. It may even be a multi-step loop, but it’s still a loop and the time travel causes the events that leads to the time travel.
For those who want to read about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
Time travel is possible. Changing the future however, isn’t.
It has to do with wave function collapse. The cat is both alive and dead until its observed, at which point the wave function collapses to reveal which it is.
So let’s say you go back in time and successfully kill Hitler. Well you’re now observing that outcome from a tangent timeline. In our timeline, that wavefront has already collapsed. There’s no takesies backsies. Its immutable.
If you can go back and try again, your just creating new wave funtion collapses, not changing the ones that already occurred.
Its like re-rolling a dice because you didn’t like the outcome. You can re-roll as much as you want, it doesn’t erase that first roll; its still there, imprinted on the quantum foam of the multi verse.
Schrödinger was scared of his own results, that’s what his cat is for. Not to show some profound effect about wave function collapse, but to show how the wave function must collapse (despite his calculations showing otherwise) because if the wave function doesn’t collapse, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead, which is preposterous.
However, we now know quantum entanglement to be a real thing; so, as bizzare as it sounds, the cat is both alive and dead, always. The number of timelines containing an alive cat diminish over time until eventually, dead cat is the only possible outcome. This is strong evidence for a multiverse existence. When you open the box you simply discover which universe you’re in.
I’ve always preferred the “creates a new timeline” explanation because it nicely negates the grandfather paradox. And you’re still changing the future, just the future of a different timeline.
But what about time crystals ?
The future will always happen.
Has always happened. Is always happening.
It was one of the guys from X-COM. He had a 98% percent hit chance but still missed somehow.
July 13th 2024, we were inches from America being Great Again.
After seen the photo.of his bloody face I have to say, as a non american, i’m sorry for you guys and for ukrane (and the rest of the world of course, since this time things will be MUCH worst). I hope you can recover but idk if you have mich time. I don’t think this wako can loose anymore
Thanks for that. Getting messages like this from outside the U.S. means a lot. For real.
Dark times, here. They were dark yesterday, but today proves things can always be worse.
Yeah, as an American all I could think was this clinched the campaign for him.
He can’t handle security for something like a small concert? He can’t handle security for the nation. Do people really think Obama wasn’t under constant threat? Please.
Now we need to make sure one idiots attempt to stop him from being president, doesn’t derail the rest of our determination to stop him from being president the democratic way.
I’m sure we can do it, but all the non MAGAts need to work together to ensure it.
Yes, the initial reaction seems to be “he just won”, but that’s a bit silly with 3-4 months to go. Don’t worry (yet)! We have no idea if the violence will escalate, or what absolutely fucking insane things will occur in this time (esp. Oct-Nov)!
“Which candidate will calm all of this down?” We await the verdict from the 1. INCREDIBLE or 2. DEPLORABLE (select one after election) people of
the USA… PA, WI, and MI.
As a Canadian I’m sorry for the Americans but I’m also fucking terrified for what this means for us. We’re already seeing it bleed (pun intended) into our borders and I don’t think I could handle if our politics went further that way. This is gonna affect a whole lot more than Americans.
Who’s bloody face? As a non-American I’m OOTL ig
Trump got shot at a rally, very minor injuries, would be assassin dead
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Trump was shot at at a rally. Grazed his ear, his security escorted him off stage after a minute or so. There’s a photo of him with a bloody ear, surrounded by his bodyguards, fist raised, with the flag in the background. Crazy good photo, arguably historic already.
Found it, legendary photo, hope it doesn’t help him become president again though
“at”
You saw a face with red liquid on it I will admit that much. What that liquid was or how it got there is not something I have evidence for.
Or maybe the cia only has a 50% success rate.
100% good guys 0% bad guys.
Math checks out.
If Red Dwarf is correct, Trump did it.
If not, maybe Vincent Van Gogh?
♾️?
No it was someone from the past. Trump’s boyfriend
His 20-year-old twink boyfriend
Ever seen the movie ‘The Dead Zone’? Too bad Trump didn’t grab a baby.
Mission failed, we’ll get 'em next time
I don’t know what’s going on but I wouldn’t be surprised for it to be a setup from the RNC to help drumph win the presidency.
People need to stop with ridiculous conspiracy theories. You’ve become what you hate
At this point, is that really so far fetched?
I don’t even mind if people speculate… but to be clear, there’s zero evidence of that right now.
The problem is that even with evidence I’m not sure I could believe it’s true of false.
This is completely idiotic. Trump almost got his head blown off, mere millimeters to rhe right and he would have had his head blown off.
Can you imagine such a thing? I know I can.
Some are reporting that he was hit by glass from the teleprompter rather then a bullet. Not sure how true that is.
Can’t keep the story straight. First it was a bullet and since no one is buying that it becomes a glass fragment from a magic bullet.
Because he can’t just be shot at for being a terrible person / president? That’s less realistic than a conspiracy?
It’s the US, everyone can get randomly shot for anything.
The land of opportunity
Honestly, one of my first thoughts was that it was a stray bullet from an unrelated drive by or something.
In case you’ve ever wondered what’s going on in the minds of Q-Anons, now you know.
I thought that too before seeing the video. I thought that maybe the wound to the ear was because of something else, but after seeing it it seems to me that only the bullet could hit him there. A setup involving the shooter shooting only his ear would be waaaaay too risky.
My first thought was staged. Lying liars lie and train us to look for the lie.
We doin’ Blue Infowars now.
Do you have any idea how hard it would be to reliability graze someone’s ear with a bullet?
They are saying now it was a glass fragment. Story keeps changing.
