Discuit is not a federated social platform, and we do not plan to support federation in the future either. This is because we do not believe that federated platforms, for a few specific reasons, have a chance of becoming mainstream social platforms one day.
Cringe
Guess they never heard about emails
Email is not a platform, though.
IMAP/POP3/SMTP are protocols, ActivityPub is a protocol too.
Are you pointing to something else?
Yeah, they are talking about platforms, not protocols.
Lemmy.world is the platform. Or mastodon.social. Or Gmail. Or Outlook.
I’m really not sure what point you are trying to make.
Would I have said “Guess they never heard about Gmail and Outlook being federated”, would that have been better according to you?
My point is that you can’t compare a platform like reddit to a protocol like email.
While gmail and outlook are insanely big, how much of all email traffic do they handle? Sure, they are insanely big, but I doubt they are above 50%
On the other hand, how big is reddit compared to all other link aggregators? I think it’s pretty surely far above 50%.
Or how big is YouTube as a VOD platform?
I’m not advocating for discuit, but being like “they think federation can’t build a mainstream platform, but look at email” is kind of missing the point.
Also email is the only example for federation. It’s an outlier, mainly because it was one of the first things on the net. Everything else is platforms, unfortunately.
Gmail and outlook both took off though
Guess i have no reason to go there then.
Shout out to Piefed and its 75 monthly active users: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats
The beautiful thing about the Fediverse is that those 75 users are in an ecosystem with the 50k+ Lemmy/K/mbin users, along with users from Sublinks, Mastodon, Firefish, etc.
Firefox?
Haha dumb autocorrect. Firefish is what I was trying to say.
Hahaha now if only Firefox was federated instead of CEO-managed… 🤔
firefish is dead though. Sharkey is where people have moved to
Iceshrimp too
Huh, is there some drama I missed?
No. The dev just couldn’t handle it
PieFed represent! Highly recommended, the ‘Topics’ feature that aggregates multiple community is super valuable to me
It is a very neat feature indeed! I would use Piefed as a main if they had “Comments” view, but I guess it will come at some point
And a whopping… 3 servers?
Seems like a cool project though, along with sublinks. Might try them out once they are a bit more stable.
Piefed is quite stable as of now already, if you are curious
Wait, why is Discuit being accounted for if they are not federated?
I think it’s just a comparison because during the Reddit Exodus people often suggested Discuit instead of Lemmy because ActivityPub is “too complicated”. So I guess this is a good demonstration that federation really is our best hope at replacing the big billionaire social media platforms.
As another point of reference vs Discuit’s 6,787 registered users, Lemmy has 1,904,195 registered users. Kbin has 66,175, and Mbin has 5,453 registered users.
Before this post I had never even heard of Discuit.
Same here. I heard a lot about lemmy when Reddit killed itself.
It’s regularly brought up on /r/RedditAlternatives when we suggest Lemmy
Ah. I haven’t been back to that place in quite some time. xD
That’s indeed the reasoning, thank you for phrasing it
I wonder how many of those registered members are active? Maybe 38?
Last time I saw something, I think it was about 300.
Almost as many as there are in the colonial fleet in Battlestar Galactica. So does that mean we can expect that the colonial fleet had someone as prolific at shitposting as The_Picard_Maneuver? That’s encouraging to know if so
There was, back when I was active there. Around the time I migrated to Lemmy there was some drama and I believe that user was suspended. I don’t check it frequently enough anymore to know if there’s a current Picard maneuver surrogate.
He made an account on another instance and he’s up to the same bullshit that got him banned in the first place, but these admins are friendly to it
Wait, did they do something bad? I thought they were just a prolific poster of memes.
This was a different person. They’d taken a username of someone popular in a number of communities on Reddit and were purporting to be that person.
Wait, I’m still confused. Is The_Picard_Maneuver impersonating a redditor, or was there a different user impersonating a Battlestar Galactica redditor?
Same here
Upon reread, I think they’re referring to a similarly prolific poster, not The_Picard_Maneuver.
Does Discuit use ActivityPub?
Negative. It was usually quoted by ActivityPub skeptics who were looking for a centralized solutions, “easier to use”.
I was never aware of the numbers, I’m surprised how much smaller it is.
Squabbles, later Squabblr, is also an* interesting casestudy in failure.
He tried to capitalize on the Rexodus, but iirc could not pick just one lane b/t “freedom” and intolerance of the intolerant - you can never have both. Interestingly the Fediverse is currently deciding the same thing, with some neat new tricks coming in v0.19.4 that should help.
mastodon : when you block another account they cease to exist and can no longer interact with your account at all ever
lemmy: when you block another account, the only thing that happens is you can no longer see or interact with that accounts past or future activity, though they can still see, vote, and comment under yours which, just like reddit, is ripe for abuse and doxxing
there can be no discussion of tolerance or free speech when there can be no way to block other abusive accounts from your content or you from harrasment
Oh that sucks. Tbf the entire concept of the Fediverse is an enormous security nightmare regardless: someone was telling me how a person could spin up an instance and share a picture also served up from their machine, then maliciously correlate the incoming IP addresses from the latter of people who viewed it vs. make interactions (voting or comments) in the former to identify you irl. But at least that takes some technical effort, and there seems no reason not to put additional obstacles up to make it harder.
Unfortunately the Lemmy developers seem to have little incentive to add features that are primarily for Westerners who e.g. don’t agree that an authoritian admin and/or mod is always correct regardless of the facts. And Westerners don’t seem in that much of a hurry to make alternatives - although K/MBin exists already and Sublinks is coming as well. If we want better, we would need to put in the work to make it happen.
It’s still a thousand times better than Reddit:-). Except I no longer recommend Lemmy to people that I meet irl - I can’t keep doing that in good conscience anymore, until there is an instance that defederates Lemmy.ml. Yes the new person could block many people and even whole instances, but it seems a little similar to recommending that someone use Arch Linux - like, really!? Hopefully the concept of the Fediverse will improve someday soon and I can do that once more, bc I really do want to.
Honestly, I think the future of fediverse advocacy for now should be recommending a specific instance and not explaining the federation part until they are using it
It’s the present already.
People want a URL, give them a few if they really want to choose.
Federation should stay behind the scenes
Agreed - as Blaze always says, save the why and how it works (under the hood) for later and for now just show them the goods.
And when a major instance defederates from Lemmy.ml I will start recommending that exact instance to people.
Or, an admin at sh.itjust.works mentioned the possibility of automatically applying a user level block to it for all new users, along with a bot message about how to remove that block. As discussed above, it would be far from perfect (e.g. someone mentions that the genocide going on in Ukraine is bad and gets hit by many downvotes with no clue where they came from bc they are not shown notifications from the people who may reply to say how it is actually good though, bc Russia is the one doing it…), but indeed it would be better than now.
An IP address alone does not identify you. It might identify your general area.
Any other website works the same way. I can go buy a domain, set up a plain html site, and view the IP of anyone who visits the site.
What kind of features are you looking for?
Whoever you’d recommend is already exposed to the lemmy.ml people or worse, it’s just through Facebook or Instagram or Reddit. At least here they’re a little self-contained.
I don’t go to Facebook, X, Instagram, or Reddit. Some people that I talk to irl also don’t follow social media. Why should they - what does it offer then? To those people I have been recommending Lemmy in the past, and now I don’t do that anymore. I would like to though.
I think content really should be served on a p2p basis recon it would improve robustness and reduce load on servers also would stop the whole ip vote association. I believe thats how peertube serves its videos but i dont see why it can’t be extended to serve all media
I presume that would have security issues of its own:-), and this is just a guess but it might look more like traffic that some ISPs may want to ban, if implemented like that?
I haven’t done anything remotely piratey for decades but people say that there are forums that way. I’m not intending to conflate P2P with the likes of TOR that is merely one implementation of that, just saying that apparently the implementations exist.
That’s a shame, what a perfect name for every social media site
that guy def had same vibes as spez, so nice of him to show what a dumbass he was before he got anywhere
No they don’t, nor will they according to their about page.
So what is its “unique vision” and how badly had it been co-opted by racists?
About as badly as lemmy has been coopted by tankies
I still really enjoy Discuit.
It’s nice.
