UN says 800,000 people have fled Rafah as Israel kills dozens in Gaza - eviltoast
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    6 months ago

    I’m neither pro-Israel nor pro-Hamas, but I believe the correct answer is “same as in every other war”.

    In other words, the maximum rate of Gazan casualties you will accept depends on the maximum rate of Axis casualties you would have accepted in WW2. That might be zero or it might be fairly high.

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        6 months ago

        from 2019 through 2022

        That’s cherry picking.

        The civilian casualty rate in Gaza is about the same as the Second Chechen War and less than on the East Front, in North Korea, or in Vietnam.

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          Since I asked how many children and not the rate of children, I’m pretty sure a count of children is not cherry picking.

          But I guess your answer is that any amount of children killed in a war is acceptable and nothing to be complaining about.

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            I didn’t say it was acceptable. It is no more acceptable than civilian deaths in Germany, Japan, or Chechnya.

            People are often more concerned about the rate of deaths because Gaza is relatively small. But if you really are counting how many and not the rate, then the vast majority of wars were worse than Gaza. The number of civilian deaths in Dresden alone is comparable to those in Gaza. Over 150,000 civilians have died in Iraq.

            And as I said, some people find one civilian death to be unacceptable, others are willing to accept more than one. I’ve never met anyone who is willing to accept “any amount”.

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              Interesting that you keep saying ‘civilian death’ and not ‘child.’ Seems like we’re talking about two very different things.

              I’ve never met anyone who is willing to accept “any amount”.

              Then see the person who replied to me who says it’s worth killing any amount to get rid of Hamas.

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                Interesting that you keep saying ‘civilian death’ and not ‘child.’ Seems like we’re talking about two very different things.

                Maybe so. But personally, I believe that all civilian deaths are equally tragic whether of a child, an old man, or a mother. In fact, I would object if someone said “X dead women is acceptable, but X dead children is unacceptable”, because personally I believe that whatever X you choose should be age-independent. YMMV

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      I’m neither pro-Israel nor pro-Hamas

      What worm ate your brain and made you think that is the choice of sides here?? Fighting for Palestinian emancipation has nothing to do with being pro-Hamas you dingus.

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        Those are the two sides that are currently at war. They are both religiously motivated right-wing regimes, and I support neither one.

        I’m also not fighting for Palestinian “emancipation”, for the same reason I’m not fighting to “emancipate” Istanbul from Turks or New York from Americans.

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          If Israel were ONLY attacking Hamas, you’d be correct.

          The problem is they are insistant on attacking, bombing, killing, and displacing all of the innocent Palestinians in Gaza as well, because they have been at war with Palestine, not Hamas, for generations now.

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            They are at war with Palestine just as Americans were at war with Germany and Japan. Many civilians were killed and displaced there, too.

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                    I don’t follow.

                    Hamas is the government of Gaza even though Gazans are suffering thanks to Israel. Just as Hirohito was the leader of the Japanese even though they were suffering thanks to America.

                    In both cases, a government failed to protect its people.