You haven’t picked up I’m not saying for sure they are bad. Just that I have low trust because of past non-EV product experience. Lots of people in this boat. That’s just reality.
I understand you want to backtrack all the things you’ve been saying, but nobody has accused you of saying “for sure they are bad”
This is a public ledger, anyone can just scroll up.
Even though the thread is specifically about Chinese EVs, You are continually ignoring the topic to perpetuate tangential, baseless accusations about Chinese manufacturing and using racial slurs to disclaim your ignorance.
“Trade alone doesn’t improve how the[sic] act”
“Chinesium”
“Would help if other stuff from China was better made”
“Things made of “Chinesium” are known for amazing cheapness not quality.”
Then, after I explain how corporate manufacturing supply chains work, and lower quality is demanded by for and distributors, you admit that the reputation is not earned and is unfair.
“China manufacturing has got more tarring than those platforms and I agree it is unfair”
Although in every comment you’ve made you’ve been blaming the Chinese ethnicity for specific poor manufacturing processes and quality that other countries specifically request.
You’re using disclaimers to wave away your racist or ignorant lines, and then continuing to say ethnically bigoted and maintain disprove unfounded accusations.
You argue “I don’t trust Chinese goods comply unless they are independently checked.”
I provide the links that explain exactly how Chinese EVs are independently tested abroad and have been for years, while pointing out that similar auto companies not from China manufacturer products that literally fall apart.
You continue to use ethnic slurs and repeat that you need independent testing, even though Independent testing you were unaware of is done and the evidence has been provided to you.
You’re using ethnic slurs to describe the manufacturing process of a country, and then complaining that simple, factual rebuttals against your claims are not fair because you never clarified your racism or ignorance explicitly.
In addition to the explicit quotes provided above, the baseless accusations, implications and ethnic prejudices are right there in everything you said already.
You claim “China is a problem, but cars isn’t where I’d start.”
Then I’m not sure why you’re replying to a thread and comments specifically about the Chinese EV industry and manufacturing practices , topics you’ve demonstrated very little knowledge of and prejudice towards.
I’m not back peddling, I’m just spitting out any words you try and put in my mouth for a canned argument rebuttal. Or maybe we are just talking past each other. As long as both want good EV to replace ICE cars and fair trading, we’re probably not far off each other. As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up and cheap substand manufacturing will move to another country. Then that place or places will get the bad rap to climb out of. The cycle continues. Pretty that is starting now.
We aren’t talking past each other, you’re again advancing foolish and baseless racist falsities that have been disproven in previous comments.
“As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up.”
Incorrect, because 1) they are the worlds 2nd largest economy, so obviously money isn’t an issue 2) you’ve agreed that it is the fault of companies outside of Chinese requesting subpar products that result in subpar products manufacturing, not Chinese manufacturing standards 3) the quality of their products are already independently tested to exceed that of countries you are more ethnically sympathetic to.
You’re making the same false arguments backed by zero evidence and racist disclaimers.
You must know that it’s not total wealth of the nation, but the wealth of citizens that matters. When China is broadly all middle class, there won’t be cheap labour. Amazon, EBay and others is still awash with cheap goods that doesn’t always pass standards claimed. As I’ve repeatedly said, I don’t just blame Chinese companies for this, but those large multinational companies. I have said multiple times, it is unfair that Chinese manfacturing is blamed alone for this. There really should be “Amazilian” to go with “Chinesium” or something that combines them. This cheap crap is a problem for a lot of people. The environment. The buyers, not protected by the standards of their markets. Other manufacturers, having to acturally follow the standards, so struggle to compete on cost even more. It has made people, including me, skeptical of what may well be quality good coming out of China. Time will tell and build reputation. I hope for the end of cheap crap, but as I said, it will move on from China. Other economies have room for a lot of growth until all citizens everywhere are broadly similar. Seams like none of this is something I haven’t basically said at least once before…
Insisting on your ethnic-based(“Chinesium”) value judgments rather than accepting the relevant, material non-ethnic information that disagrees with your misguided notions is racist.
You are again conflating industry with ethnicity. They are not the same thing.
Again, I’m saying that term exist because the problem exists. Again, Amazon and EBay, etc, should be blamed too. I’m arguing about governance. Race doesn’t even exist. EU and US (and others) have turned a blind eye to the sale of things not meeting regulations of their markets. The Chinese government has turn a blind eye to this stuff manufacture and the flyby night shell companies selling it. I’ve already said China will not always be the place and it will move on to somewhere else. The problem, which you seam to want to deny exists and try to shut down will calls of racism, is not really China, it is bad governance and capitalism, and just corruption. As I said multiple times, it’s not really fair China is blamed alone.
You haven’t picked up I’m not saying for sure they are bad. Just that I have low trust because of past non-EV product experience. Lots of people in this boat. That’s just reality.
I understand you want to backtrack all the things you’ve been saying, but nobody has accused you of saying “for sure they are bad” This is a public ledger, anyone can just scroll up.
Even though the thread is specifically about Chinese EVs, You are continually ignoring the topic to perpetuate tangential, baseless accusations about Chinese manufacturing and using racial slurs to disclaim your ignorance.
“Trade alone doesn’t improve how the[sic] act”
“Chinesium”
“Would help if other stuff from China was better made”
“Things made of “Chinesium” are known for amazing cheapness not quality.”
Then, after I explain how corporate manufacturing supply chains work, and lower quality is demanded by for and distributors, you admit that the reputation is not earned and is unfair.
“China manufacturing has got more tarring than those platforms and I agree it is unfair”
Although in every comment you’ve made you’ve been blaming the Chinese ethnicity for specific poor manufacturing processes and quality that other countries specifically request.
You’re using disclaimers to wave away your racist or ignorant lines, and then continuing to say ethnically bigoted and maintain disprove unfounded accusations.
You argue “I don’t trust Chinese goods comply unless they are independently checked.”
I provide the links that explain exactly how Chinese EVs are independently tested abroad and have been for years, while pointing out that similar auto companies not from China manufacturer products that literally fall apart.
You continue to use ethnic slurs and repeat that you need independent testing, even though Independent testing you were unaware of is done and the evidence has been provided to you.
You’re using ethnic slurs to describe the manufacturing process of a country, and then complaining that simple, factual rebuttals against your claims are not fair because you never clarified your racism or ignorance explicitly.
In addition to the explicit quotes provided above, the baseless accusations, implications and ethnic prejudices are right there in everything you said already.
You claim “China is a problem, but cars isn’t where I’d start.”
Then I’m not sure why you’re replying to a thread and comments specifically about the Chinese EV industry and manufacturing practices , topics you’ve demonstrated very little knowledge of and prejudice towards.
I’m not back peddling, I’m just spitting out any words you try and put in my mouth for a canned argument rebuttal. Or maybe we are just talking past each other. As long as both want good EV to replace ICE cars and fair trading, we’re probably not far off each other. As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up and cheap substand manufacturing will move to another country. Then that place or places will get the bad rap to climb out of. The cycle continues. Pretty that is starting now.
You’re peddling something.
We aren’t talking past each other, you’re again advancing foolish and baseless racist falsities that have been disproven in previous comments.
“As China becomes richer, it quality of everything will go up.”
Incorrect, because 1) they are the worlds 2nd largest economy, so obviously money isn’t an issue 2) you’ve agreed that it is the fault of companies outside of Chinese requesting subpar products that result in subpar products manufacturing, not Chinese manufacturing standards 3) the quality of their products are already independently tested to exceed that of countries you are more ethnically sympathetic to.
You’re making the same false arguments backed by zero evidence and racist disclaimers.
You must know that it’s not total wealth of the nation, but the wealth of citizens that matters. When China is broadly all middle class, there won’t be cheap labour. Amazon, EBay and others is still awash with cheap goods that doesn’t always pass standards claimed. As I’ve repeatedly said, I don’t just blame Chinese companies for this, but those large multinational companies. I have said multiple times, it is unfair that Chinese manfacturing is blamed alone for this. There really should be “Amazilian” to go with “Chinesium” or something that combines them. This cheap crap is a problem for a lot of people. The environment. The buyers, not protected by the standards of their markets. Other manufacturers, having to acturally follow the standards, so struggle to compete on cost even more. It has made people, including me, skeptical of what may well be quality good coming out of China. Time will tell and build reputation. I hope for the end of cheap crap, but as I said, it will move on from China. Other economies have room for a lot of growth until all citizens everywhere are broadly similar. Seams like none of this is something I haven’t basically said at least once before…
Repeating your incorrect or racist tangents multiple times is not a virtue, not does it suddenly make your false statements suddenly true
So any unflattering critique of a section of Chinese industry is racist. Though of American, is unnote worthy. You like the CCP by any chance?
Incorrect again.
Insisting on your ethnic-based(“Chinesium”) value judgments rather than accepting the relevant, material non-ethnic information that disagrees with your misguided notions is racist.
You are again conflating industry with ethnicity. They are not the same thing.
Again, I’m saying that term exist because the problem exists. Again, Amazon and EBay, etc, should be blamed too. I’m arguing about governance. Race doesn’t even exist. EU and US (and others) have turned a blind eye to the sale of things not meeting regulations of their markets. The Chinese government has turn a blind eye to this stuff manufacture and the flyby night shell companies selling it. I’ve already said China will not always be the place and it will move on to somewhere else. The problem, which you seam to want to deny exists and try to shut down will calls of racism, is not really China, it is bad governance and capitalism, and just corruption. As I said multiple times, it’s not really fair China is blamed alone.