Supreme Court restores Trump to ballot, rejecting state attempts to ban him over Capitol attack - eviltoast
    • Maggoty@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      49
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      edit-2
      9 months ago

      Yep and they just handwaive it. They assert the other sections are held against the states so this must be too. They also assert that only Congress has enforcement power for it despite nothing in the amendment saying so. It says “Congress shall have power…”, not sole power, not the power. There is no exclusionary language to preclude a state’s normal constitutional right to run it’s elections. Instead this adds Congress to the list of bodies that can enforce this.

      The remedy for a state running an improper election is also not the supreme court. It is Congress, as laid out in the Constitution they supposedly are experts at enforcing. And yet they keep giving themselves major powers not in Constitution.

      • hddsx@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        9 months ago

        You have the most interesting take that I’ve read: Congress shall also have a way to enforce this and not just the States. I kind of wish you had argued that in front of SCOTUS.

        • Maggoty@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          9 months ago

          Sometimes I wonder if our constitutional interpretation is so twisted because we’ve been going at for so many years. But getting a new one is going to require decades of catch up work by the Democrats. Republicans have been practicing for a Constitutional Convention and actively seek one.

      • hddsx@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        9 months ago

        They explain in the ruling why it doesn’t make sense in the context of when this law was made to have states decide.

        Should a confederate state decide who is eligible to run? No, it should be the federal government

        …or so they argue

        • Ech@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          9 months ago

          So we can just ignore the Constitution when the laws are outdated and don’t make sense anymore? Cool. Let’s do gun control.

          • Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            9 months ago

            The Constitution says “The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.” SCOTUS isn’t ignoring the Constitution for once.

            • Ech@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              edit-2
              9 months ago

              Noteably, SCOTUS doesn’t legislate, nor are they “Congress”. If there is a law saying as much (states can’t control primary ballots), though, sure.

              • Ullallulloo@civilloquy.com
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                9 months ago

                Yeah, SCOTUS can’t remove a candidate for insurrection. The only way is if Congress passes a law describing who is.

          • hddsx@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            9 months ago

            Where did I say that we can just ignore the constitution? Hell, I’ve been downvoted to hell on Reddit for suggesting that rights to firearms is restricted for militias…

        • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          edit-2
          9 months ago

          I couldn’t find a single legitimate reason in that decision to arbitrarily remove the power of the states or the democratic voters to remove a candidate based on very clear strictures in the Constitution, except for the implication that the conservatives would try to use this measure by claiming every valid candidate had somehow committed insurrection.

          But conservatives already basically tried to do that with Biden with their “documents” case for more than 2 years now and it didn’t work, they couldn’t make even that relatively insignificant charge stick.

          In this case, we have a judgment of a candidate liabile of an insurrection that directly violates the presidential oath of office thay previously took.

            • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              9 months ago

              It is hereby noted that 17 hours ago hddsx said confederate not conservative.

              Someone give you shit about it?

              • hddsx@lemmy.ca
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                9 months ago

                You ignored the context of the civil war. It wasn’t about liberals or conservatives. It was about the federal government not allowing former confederate states to elect confederates into federal office. In other words, as determined by SCOTUS, this is the constitution explicitly taking power away from states and delegating it to the federal government. Thereby it is NOT a reserved right of the states and the people

                • Varyk@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  I haven’t talked about the civil war at all, I think you’re trying to respond to a different commenter.