You’re seriously saying that the MSM, most of which enjoys a symbiotic relationship with the DNC are portraying Biden as WORSE than he really is??
It’s because I consume media from OUTSIDE of the MSM bubble that I know he’s not anywhere near as great as the likes of Politico and NYT keep pretending.
As a Biden supporter, I have to assume that all the lies and bullshit about him that have infected the (almost exclusively) young Democrats today is coming from Tiktok or Instagram or some other social media apo I don’t have.
It’s because I consume media from OUTSIDE of the MSM bubble that I know he’s not anywhere near as great as the likes of Politico and NYT keep pretending.
This supports that theory.
Do you idiots not see the parallels between you and MAGA? It’s the same exact playbook! “Don’t trust the MSM”, “do your research”, “get angry about xyz”
I have to assume that all the lies and bullshit about him that have infected the (almost exclusively) young Democrats today is coming from Tiktok or Instagram or some other social media apo I don’t have.
I’m 41 and don’t use any social media, unless Lemmy counts.
This supports that theory.
Nope. I was referring to sources such as The Intercept, The Nation and (for news about the Gaza genocide) Haaretz.
Not MSM ≠ not reliable news
Do you idiots not see the parallels between you and MAGA? It’s the same exact playbook!
Says the guy convinced that there’s no good reason not to worship the president formerly known as The Senator From MBNA 🙄
Don’t trust the MSM", “do your research”, “get angry about xyz”
Not trusting the MSM because they’re a billionaire-owned tool of the oppressive establishment that often lies to further such narratives as “the more cops the less crime” and “Israel’s just defending itself” ≠ not trusting them because they don’t lie ENOUGH like the MAGA cult.
My research relies on trusting the expertise of those who have proven themselves reliable. The maga “research” starts with doing everything but that.
I get angry about things that are wrong, such as everything the maga cult stands for and the lies of both them and the corrupt neoliberal elite that you’re simping for. They get angry at whichever imagined issue their handlers tell them to be angry about.
TL;DR: Horse shoe theory is bullshit made up by ideologically challenged liberals to falsely smear diametrically opposed opponents as identical.
Fish hook theory is much closer to reality, especially when it comes to propaganda.
You don’t tend to get much of that when dealing with people who can’t tell diametrically opposite ideologies apart and think that makes them the adults in the room 😄
I’m a social democrat, with communist leanings. Although I think humanity is/should go extinct to save the earths biosphere. Authoritarianism of any kind is bad, nice ad hominem though.
Great takes. More bitching about the nonfascist of the election while ignoring the tidal wave of disinfo looking to plant a literal russian stooge in the strongest office in the world.
Bystanders, please consider that lemmy is infilitrated just as other social media is. Those in here trying to pretend this is not a social media site, or that this place hasnt been infected with bad faith actors are more than anything trying to get u to drop ur guard and take their deculturalizing comments to heart without a fight.
The kgb bragged about infiltrating our social fabric back in the 80s. It doesn’t take much to see them hiding in the shadows here today.
This is literally not social media, it’s closer to an anonymous message board or forum. This place definitely has bad faith actors, look at this guy trying to call me a KGB agent lmfao.
Anybody who doesn’t support dear leader is a Russian spy 🤔
Still ignoring my points there, while deflecting with “haha look at this crazy here calling me out.” And then u accuse me of hero worship, a well known problem on the right, even if ive done no such thing. A very clever method of making both sides here look equally crazy to the bystanders. To them, i say:
I got banned in World News for calling out russian shills spreading clear kremlin propaganda. This place isnt safe, and when months from now ur leftist spaces do nothing but circlejerk over silly slogans and nonvoting, remember this comment, and ask yourself who stands to benefit from such a culture?
Most mature leftists are not ones to disparage u from voting so much as encourage u to take other forms of direct action. You will not have the option for either enable if this capitalist hellscape goes full fascist, and i assure u, US foreign policy being interventionist for 80 years is NOT the definition of fascism.
See this is the shit that supports horseshoe theory. Far-left and far-right, you’re all about idolarity and worship and dictatorships and changing the world by force. Moderates don’t believe in that shit. We don’t worship anyone. You’re just mad because your far right counterparts have a strongman to rally around and you currently don’t. But you do crave one.
Not trusting the MSM because they’re a billionaire-owned tool of the oppressive establishment that often lies to further such narratives as “the more cops the less crime” and “Israel’s just defending itself” ≠ not trusting them because they don’t lie ENOUGH like the MAGA cult.
It’s not about the “why”, it’s about the end result. You’ve been manipulated to be paranoid and angry, just like them. Of course, the methods of manipulation were a little different but you ended up in the same place.
(and let me give a disclaimer here: “both sides” arguments is just as terrible as your current left-wing MAGA shit. The far left like you are a sliver of the Democrats, but what I call the far right are actually in control of the Republicans. You spout absurd shit and it’s frustrating but at the end of the day largely irrelevant. MAGA spouts absurd shit and it’s frightening, because they have the power to turn it into absurd actions. Just because I equate the far right and far left in terms of stupidity and susceptibility to propaganda, does not mean I equate them in terms of dangerousness. Even worst case scenario, the average tankie’s utopia is better than the average MAGA utopia.)
See this is the shit that supports horseshoe theory. Far-left and far-right, you’re all about idolarity and worship and dictatorships and changing the world by force. Moderates don’t believe in that shit. We don’t worship anyone. You’re just mad because your far right counterparts have a strongman to rally around and you currently don’t. But you do crave one.
Someone never heard of the authoritarianism axis of the political compass…
You’re pretty close when it comes to tankies, who are far left authoritarians, but less authoritarian people exist on the left too.
Personally my stance vary from social democrat to almost anarchist depending on the subject, but always significantly less authoritarian than the DNC and the so-called moderates (actually center-right to right wing) who have no ideology except “my team good, everyone else other team”.
I’m a pacifist, I know that ACAB and I believe that the main purpose of government is to protect people from the tyranny of the powerful. So no, I don’t want “my side” to have a fucking strawman committing atrocities. Biden actively supporting some of those is plenty bad enough.
You’ve been manipulated to be paranoid and angry, just like them. Of course, the methods of manipulation were a little different but you ended up in the same place.
Another steaming pile of horse shoe horse shit.
I’m not paranoid and I’m not angry about anywhere near the same things as the fascists are. That you can’t see two people angry at the same person without automatically assuming that their opinions and reasons for having them are both identical, that’s a you being an idiot problem.
“both sides” arguments is just as terrible as your current left-wing MAGA shit.
Complaining about both sidesism being terrible while literally says that both of the sides that disagree with you are identical must be some kind of record! Surely you must be putting me on! Nobody can have THAT little self-awareness! 🤦
Anyways, I’ve officially had enough of your delusions. Have the day you deserve.
Some tropes are based in truth and the one about the MSM consisting of billionaire-owned outlets that unquestioningly support either neoliberalism (Politico, MSDNC, NYT etc) or fascism (Faux News, Breitbart, WSJ editorials etc) is one of them.
You’re seriously saying that the MSM, most of which enjoys a symbiotic relationship with the DNC are portraying Biden as WORSE than he really is??
It’s because I consume media from OUTSIDE of the MSM bubble that I know he’s not anywhere near as great as the likes of Politico and NYT keep pretending.
As a Biden supporter, I have to assume that all the lies and bullshit about him that have infected the (almost exclusively) young Democrats today is coming from Tiktok or Instagram or some other social media apo I don’t have.
This supports that theory.
Do you idiots not see the parallels between you and MAGA? It’s the same exact playbook! “Don’t trust the MSM”, “do your research”, “get angry about xyz”
I’m 41 and don’t use any social media, unless Lemmy counts.
Nope. I was referring to sources such as The Intercept, The Nation and (for news about the Gaza genocide) Haaretz.
Not MSM ≠ not reliable news
Says the guy convinced that there’s no good reason not to worship the president formerly known as The Senator From MBNA 🙄
Not trusting the MSM because they’re a billionaire-owned tool of the oppressive establishment that often lies to further such narratives as “the more cops the less crime” and “Israel’s just defending itself” ≠ not trusting them because they don’t lie ENOUGH like the MAGA cult.
My research relies on trusting the expertise of those who have proven themselves reliable. The maga “research” starts with doing everything but that.
I get angry about things that are wrong, such as everything the maga cult stands for and the lies of both them and the corrupt neoliberal elite that you’re simping for. They get angry at whichever imagined issue their handlers tell them to be angry about.
TL;DR: Horse shoe theory is bullshit made up by ideologically challenged liberals to falsely smear diametrically opposed opponents as identical.
Fish hook theory is much closer to reality, especially when it comes to propaganda.
I like your takes. I see you down here in the dregs of the comments a lot, keep up the good fight ✊.
Thanks for the encouragement!
You don’t tend to get much of that when dealing with people who can’t tell diametrically opposite ideologies apart and think that makes them the adults in the room 😄
Some people fail to see that they’ve been actively propagandized their entire lives, and to break with that reality is too hard/painful.
It’s expected from the republican side, they’re monsters, but the dems used to be a lot better about hiding it lol.
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I’m a social democrat, with communist leanings. Although I think humanity is/should go extinct to save the earths biosphere. Authoritarianism of any kind is bad, nice ad hominem though.
Great takes. More bitching about the nonfascist of the election while ignoring the tidal wave of disinfo looking to plant a literal russian stooge in the strongest office in the world.
Bystanders, please consider that lemmy is infilitrated just as other social media is. Those in here trying to pretend this is not a social media site, or that this place hasnt been infected with bad faith actors are more than anything trying to get u to drop ur guard and take their deculturalizing comments to heart without a fight.
The kgb bragged about infiltrating our social fabric back in the 80s. It doesn’t take much to see them hiding in the shadows here today.
This is literally not social media, it’s closer to an anonymous message board or forum. This place definitely has bad faith actors, look at this guy trying to call me a KGB agent lmfao.
Anybody who doesn’t support dear leader is a Russian spy 🤔
Still ignoring my points there, while deflecting with “haha look at this crazy here calling me out.” And then u accuse me of hero worship, a well known problem on the right, even if ive done no such thing. A very clever method of making both sides here look equally crazy to the bystanders. To them, i say:
I got banned in World News for calling out russian shills spreading clear kremlin propaganda. This place isnt safe, and when months from now ur leftist spaces do nothing but circlejerk over silly slogans and nonvoting, remember this comment, and ask yourself who stands to benefit from such a culture?
Most mature leftists are not ones to disparage u from voting so much as encourage u to take other forms of direct action. You will not have the option for either enable if this capitalist hellscape goes full fascist, and i assure u, US foreign policy being interventionist for 80 years is NOT the definition of fascism.
Take your medicine Grampa.
lol k mr ad hominem
git em
See this is the shit that supports horseshoe theory. Far-left and far-right, you’re all about idolarity and worship and dictatorships and changing the world by force. Moderates don’t believe in that shit. We don’t worship anyone. You’re just mad because your far right counterparts have a strongman to rally around and you currently don’t. But you do crave one.
It’s not about the “why”, it’s about the end result. You’ve been manipulated to be paranoid and angry, just like them. Of course, the methods of manipulation were a little different but you ended up in the same place.
(and let me give a disclaimer here: “both sides” arguments is just as terrible as your current left-wing MAGA shit. The far left like you are a sliver of the Democrats, but what I call the far right are actually in control of the Republicans. You spout absurd shit and it’s frustrating but at the end of the day largely irrelevant. MAGA spouts absurd shit and it’s frightening, because they have the power to turn it into absurd actions. Just because I equate the far right and far left in terms of stupidity and susceptibility to propaganda, does not mean I equate them in terms of dangerousness. Even worst case scenario, the average tankie’s utopia is better than the average MAGA utopia.)
Someone never heard of the authoritarianism axis of the political compass…
You’re pretty close when it comes to tankies, who are far left authoritarians, but less authoritarian people exist on the left too.
Personally my stance vary from social democrat to almost anarchist depending on the subject, but always significantly less authoritarian than the DNC and the so-called moderates (actually center-right to right wing) who have no ideology except “my team good, everyone else other team”.
I’m a pacifist, I know that ACAB and I believe that the main purpose of government is to protect people from the tyranny of the powerful. So no, I don’t want “my side” to have a fucking strawman committing atrocities. Biden actively supporting some of those is plenty bad enough.
Another steaming pile of horse shoe horse shit.
I’m not paranoid and I’m not angry about anywhere near the same things as the fascists are. That you can’t see two people angry at the same person without automatically assuming that their opinions and reasons for having them are both identical, that’s a you being an idiot problem.
Complaining about both sidesism being terrible while literally says that both of the sides that disagree with you are identical must be some kind of record! Surely you must be putting me on! Nobody can have THAT little self-awareness! 🤦
Anyways, I’ve officially had enough of your delusions. Have the day you deserve.
Forgot to add: lack of ability to comprehend nuance. Another similarity between you and MAGA.
Again with the projection! Do you have any idea how much nuance you have to miss in order to mistake an anti-authoritharian pacifist with a fascist?
Clearly not, since you’re doing it while insisting that I’M the weird one.
Now leave me alone and have the day you deserve.
how old someone is has no bearing on whether what they say is true
I only mentioned it because it has bearing on what media you consume. Younger people consume media from apps like tiktok and instagram.
I’m 32 and don’t use social media.
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You’re claiming moral superiority while actively dehumanizing those with differing political opinions than yours. Congratulations, you’re the bad guy.
So you’re going with the whole “liberal media” trope, eh? Figures.
Some tropes are based in truth and the one about the MSM consisting of billionaire-owned outlets that unquestioningly support either neoliberalism (Politico, MSDNC, NYT etc) or fascism (Faux News, Breitbart, WSJ editorials etc) is one of them.