• FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
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    8 hours ago

    Violence isn’t the way, though. Violent Protests are statistically less likely to achieve their goals on top of bringing more harm to everyone involved.

    However, it becomes justified in response to violence. No tolerance for the intolerant. For example, in China they’re met with deadly force if they hold a nationwide protest, so it’s completely justified and even necessary for them to use force to enact any real change.

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      I don’t know of a single protest that started with violence.

      All protests that I know lf which became violent were a response to police violence or the threat of police violence to shut down a protest.

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        I think you could argue January 6th insurrectionists committed violence the moment they packed pipe bombs into a cooler or built a noose. Similarly, the Proud Boys burnt down notable churches during their march a few years ago.

        Some people show up to these events in groups with loaded automatic rifles, such as the Charlottesville protests or Kyle Rittenhouse who hung out with other armed counterprotestors and then roamed the streets looking for a fight and then shot two people to death.

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          A planned insurrection isn’t a protest, it is trying to violently overthrow the government. Kyle was opposed to the protest and looking to commit homicide. He was a counter protester in the same way someone with road rage is protesting traffic.

          Being ready to respond to police violence isn’t starting with violence. It is being prepared.

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            Is that what the meme says, though? Because to me it says violence is justified because the state has used violence at unrelated events in the past as a general statement.

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              Rocks get thrown at police cars when the police try to shut down a protest, frequently using violence.

              it says violence is justified because the state has used violence at unrelated events in the past

              It doesn’t say that, it brings up throwing a rock at a car AFTER police violence. That is you projecting your apparent dislike of protesters standing up for themselves to twist a clear message.

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                  Agreed.

                  Also police should not use tactics against a peaceful protest to provoke a violent response, which they do all the time. Like crowding the protesters into smaller and smaller spaces, declaring it is necessary to disperse because of the time of day and they will violently force dispersal if they don’t, etc.

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          it’s a nitpick but not an automatic rifle. Semi auto, even with bump stocks or FRTs (Forced Reset Triggers)

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      If you donʻt think violence is a potential way, then donʻt use violence.

      Its the prerogative of the person(s) being oppressed to decide for them selves what force to use.

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      Violence or a credible threat of violence is the only thing that produces change.

      Unionizers had to fight mining companies armed with machine guns.

      The pinkertons specialized in using violence against unionizers.

      MLK succeeded only because of Malcom x. MLKs peaceful protests were peaceful only because of the watchers armed with rifles.

      Occupy Wall Street was kettled in the corner and ignored.

      About the only successful peaceful protest was the Iroquois indian sex strike and the American fight to give women the right to vote.

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        About the only successful peaceful protest was the Iroquois indian sex strike and the American fight to give women the right to vote.

        Lol okay, pal.