UN Human Rights Office - OPT: Unlawful killings in Gaza City - eviltoast

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I swapped the original article at the request of a mod to from a source deemed more reliable, but to avoid confusion when reading the comment section prior to this edit, here is the link to the original article. I chose the Relief Web source listed by some who commented. Cheers!

  • jet@hackertalks.com
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    11 months ago

    Clearly you’re right. But the UN report did not say what the article said it said. Which means it’s biased reporting.

    • floofloof@lemmy.ca
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      11 months ago

      The article prefaces every item with the word “alleged” or “alleges”, just like the report. How is this biased?

        • WhiteHawk@lemmy.world
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          11 months ago

          What are you expecting from “World Socialist Website”? Fact-based reporting? I don’t think so.

          • Alsephina@lemmy.ml
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            11 months ago

            For a site calling itself “socialist”, it sure is scared of unabashedly calling out an apartheid ethnostate.

          • jet@hackertalks.com
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            11 months ago

            I would like the articles referenced here in this community to be fact-based, and I would like our discussion to be based on reality. The situation is bad enough as it is without having to make things up

            • ???@lemmy.worldOP
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              11 months ago

              While I see what you mean by that, is the title being “biased” equal to the article being biased? Seems like all doubts are resolved upon reading the first paragraph.

              • jet@hackertalks.com
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                11 months ago

                Most people don’t read the articles, they read titles and they take the inference and go to the comments and fight. Titles that are misleading are effectively lies.

                In the propaganda war, titles are ammunition

                • ???@lemmy.worldOP
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                  11 months ago

                  Okay, good point, like I said, I know what you mean about the title, but does a bad title necessarily mean the article is not factual?

                  • jet@hackertalks.com
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                    11 months ago

                    Yes. Misleading title is a lie. Putting that lie into the title of our community makes this entire discussion premised on a lie. Most people are not going to read the article, and the hasbara / propaganda of the title still gets the eyeballs. So it is a net negative

    • machinin@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      At this point, with the US influence on UN reporting bodies, I believe independent reporters over UN reports concerning the atrocities committed upon the Palestinian people.

      • jet@hackertalks.com
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        11 months ago

        And that’s totally fair. And probably correct. But this article says the UN says something that the UN is not saying. Which means it’s a bad article

        • floofloof@lemmy.ca
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          11 months ago

          It doesn’t though. Only the headline does that. That’s not good, but the article itself is not bad because of its headline.

          • jet@hackertalks.com
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            11 months ago

            If the majority of people only read the title, poisoning the title is effectively making the article bad. Even if the article itself is sufficiently conditioned.

            So I will stand by my conviction that this is a bad article for this community.

            • ???@lemmy.worldOP
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              11 months ago

              So I will stand by my conviction that this is a bad article for this community.

              Hmmmm, I find it strange that you are being pedantic and insistent on the title spoiling the whole article. The article does an excellent job being factual, linking to all its claims, and backing them all up.

              I read the title again and again and I believe this is just a disagreement on the meaning of “report”, between you vs. the rest of the readers who had no issue with it + the authors themselves.

              Now I’m starting to think using the word “report” was actually more accurate… they literally mean that there was a report from the UN.

              On Wednesday, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) published a report

              This report and a similar allegation by the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor imply that Israel has moved from murdering civilians through bombing to mass executions.

              Reading the article again helped me realize this. Maybe it can help you too?

              • floofloof@lemmy.ca
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                11 months ago

                I think they’d just rather it said “UN reports Israeli forces are alleged to be carrying out mass summary executions in Gaza.”

                Still doesn’t make the IDF look good, but it’s a fair point.

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                  11 months ago

                  Cool, no problemo. Can we now go back to discussing the killings?

      • jet@hackertalks.com
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        11 months ago

        The title does not say allege. The title says something very different

          • jet@hackertalks.com
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            11 months ago

            To report something is to make a finding. You may have an interesting definition of report, but the common usage is about findings. The UN did not make a finding that Israel committed a mass killing. The implication of the title is the UN made a determination which it did not do.

            The UN is calling on Israel to investigate an allegation but it did not make a finding.

            https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/report

            • To return or present as the result of an examination or consideration of any matter officially referred.
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                11 months ago

                considering you and I have both agreed the title is misleading. I’m not being pedantic. You understood what I meant, and you have acknowledged it.

                So when the question of what the title actually means came up, it seems like a worthwhile discussion

                • ???@lemmy.worldOP
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                  11 months ago

                  Actually I read it again and changed my mind… wrote you another comment, do check it.

            • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
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              11 months ago

              I think we’ve moved out of ‘not understanding’ and into the realm of ‘you don’t want to believe and you also don’t want others to’ territory.

              Which would be fine if you were more honest about it. Have a nice day.

              • jet@hackertalks.com
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                11 months ago

                Fighting over dictionary definitions is the least interesting type of discussion. That’s why we have dictionaries