What they’ve been doing in Minneapolis, but amplified?

What do you mean, “but amplified?”

That they put down a tyrannical government as their beloved 2A states?

What are you actually asking for here?

There’s more population than politicians,

And approximately half the population is in support of it and the other half aren’t the 2A gun nuts.

the whole “we’re powerless” is bs that’s been conditioned unto most peoples worldwide via controlled media 'cos those in power know how dangerous it is for people to get together and start building up critical mass.

Go ahead and say what you really mean here and stop dancing around the bush.

Yep. But the US won’t “collapse” like Germany 1945. Hell, even Germany didn’t collapse. History shows that no matter how you feel, within a few years things will go back to how they were but with new names.

last time i was in the us the pilots let me look in the cockpit

Very confusing visualization. There’s gotta be a better way.

if 2017 is blue, so should 2025. the blue areas should be by month.

When looking at 2025 I only count 24 deaths in the table. But the image shows more than 30.

No.

voting for harm reduction

To claim Joe Biden was a “harm reduction” candidate, you need to ignore how he extended much of Trump’s Term 1 policies and - by refusing to prosecute and imprison any of his first term cabinet - paved the way for even more egregious abuses in his second term.

The Biden Administration did nothing to curb the abuses of the Republican Party. And, in many cases, normalized and entrenched the fascist policies and powers accrued to the executive branch under prior terms of office. When the ink is dry on the history books, he will be remembered as an enabler of Trump’s fascist regime in much the same way he was an enabler of the Bush fascist regime from 2001 to 2009.

Eitherway, a dipshit.

Harris adviser says VP ran ‘flawless’ campaign

I have to wonder if you genuinely believe people who say this.

This is an anarchist community, so here’s an anarchist perspective. Voting is not and cannot be harm reduction.

The idea of a ballot being capable of reducing the harm in a system rooted in colonial domination and exploitation, white supremacy, hetero-patriarchy, and capitalism is an extraordinary exaggeration. There is no person whose lives aren’t impacted everyday by these systems of oppression, but instead of coded reformism and coercive “get out the vote” campaigns towards a “safer” form of settler colonialism, we’re asking “what is the real and tragic harm and danger associated with perpetuating colonial power and what can be done to end it?”

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/voting-is-not-harm-reduction

Harm reduction is harmful

Voting as harm reduction does more harm than good. Accepting reforms through voting makes people settle for a partial goal; it is a concession. From this position of compromise, the state entrenches its position, and it becomes more difficult to push further, for voters fear losing their partial gains. Accepting harm reduction also divides the movement, because some will be satisfied with the crumbs, while others want it all (see the split at the ZAD). Harm reduction also assumes that the harm (the government) cannot be removed entirely, which is an argument that there can be no anarchy.

Voting is not harm reduction

For the vast majority of issues, there’s no difference between the political parties. They are all the parties of business, climate destruction, deportation, incarceration, police, surveillance, drone strikes, sacred site desecration, et cetera. By getting you to believe that there is a lesser of two evils, the state dampens your desire for abolishing it, because you are meant to believe that things will be worse if you don’t vote and support a political party. Look at the fact that the George Floyd Rebellion occurred under Trump, where liberals, and progressives, and leftists didn’t get what they want, where the harm was supposedly greater, than under Biden, where those same people lie dormant, accepting the lesser evil world as a blessed reprieve.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-why-you-shouldn-t-vote#toc1

they’re all quotes from the banned user

it’s not too late to delete your comments and leave.

i’m not trying to win. i just wanted everyone to get a little amuse-bouche of the thread before they dive in.

Thanks for providing an example

you

You’re using this word very liberally.

Yeah I mean what about that other thread? I didn’t feel like there was that big of a fallout in the comments, it sounds a bit overdramatic, unless you meant something else.

About the yellow vests, no that is not what I’m saying, I’m not sure how or why you could reach to that conclusion. I’m giving an example of how a political movement started from concrete material issues that the working class experienced. In fact, the yellow vests managed to get slight concessions. There is no connection that would suggest that movement led to the authoritarian drift in France (those were already experimented in french suburbs, and extensively used to kill any protests moving forward, very good analysis of police brutality in France here https://shs.cairn.info/revue-mouvements-2017-4-page-38).

Are we sure we’re both talking about the 2010s Tunisia protests? I don’t see how this is linked in any way with Hamas. It started from the immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi in protest to police corruption and the job crisis (among other things), experienced at that time. Those again started from concrete issues, and then evolved in criticism of the systems and powers in place. I’m hoping you’re not making a link between the Arab Spring and Hamas out of ignorance and essentialization, the former started in Maghreb, the latter in the Middle East.

I feel like you’re jumping to conclusions a bit too quickly, linking end-states of governmental action to the premises of various protests. I don’t know, there’s so many examples in history that contradict your premise:

• The Yellow Vests protesting gas price hikes didn’t lead to the french government adopting far right methodology (Macron has been in power two years before that, and already exhibited nazi-compatible behaviour, even Hollande showcased signs of authoritarianism as early as 2015).
• The Arab Spring did not lead to a branch of Hamas being a terrorist organization (it exists since 1987 and was being labelled as such as early as 1995).
• The Boston Tea Party protesting the Tea Act of 1773, the Haymarket riots protesting 8-hour workdays in 1886, the Seattle General Strike of 1919 over wage cuts… they didn’t lead to slavery in the U.S. The Atlantic slave trade started as early as the 15th century.
• The Catalan CNT rent strikes in 1931 over evictions didn’t lead to slavery, also they won rent controls before the Civil War and Franco’s takeover (1936).
• Slavery didn’t spawn in the UK out of the London Matchgirls’ strike of 1888 over fines.

So yeah we might have a misunderstanding because I don’t understand why you would want to argue that protests starting from concrete material conditions automatically leads to slavery. All the progress we made for workers rights, and human rights, were taken from the powers in place thanks to people organizing, very often thanks to anarchist organizations. My point is just that it all started from concrete issues, that the working class was able to transform into something bigger politically, which explains why some (let’s say, less politically educated-) U.S. citizen are starting to protest only once material issues (gas price hikes) are hitting them, rather than the abstract (to them) wars waged by their government in foreign countries.

It’s our job to turn this reaction into organized political action against their government, and no, it does not end automatically in slavery.