Why are millennials killing genocide?
Nobody wants to 'cide anymore
People are just so pc nowadays
said Trump … (Very opionated & weird comment)
Has the woke agenda gone too far?
The only thing I’m proud of when looking at gen Z is that they are completely unwilling to go to war for the military complex and giving their life fighting a battle where they have nothing to gain but everything to lose. That’s way smarter than my generation or the baby boomers ever were.
are completely unwilling to go to war for the military complex
Are they though?
"Post-millennials (also known as Generation Z or Gen Z), born from 1996 to the present, now constitute nearly 90% of the Army’s active duty junior enlisted and nearly 35% of all junior officers (Defense Manpower Data Center, 2018, p. 29). "
Because of avocado toast
Interesting how everyone seems to think this tweet from 2018 seems to refer to th situation in Gaza in 2023.
Right?! When I posted it, I was making a statement about enlightened centrism and not even thinking about the Gaza situation. Instead of genocide you can insert any morally abhorrent thing that should not be tolerated. But I get why people think it’s related, it’s on everyone’s mind. Thank you for noticing though.
I mean, it’s not like we haven’t seen this kind of discussion in regards to Gaza.
The knee-jerk reactions in this threat are quite telling.
To be fair, the situation in Gaza isn’t new and was probably the same in 2018
Sure but by that logic anything anybody ever said during my entire lifetime could be a reference to Gaza.
Are you 'murican? I don’t think the rest of the world agrees on any of the US’s “definitions” of left, right and liberal. From a European POV, the US democrats are really, really far to the right. Sanders might be leaning toward the center. The republicans are a strange mixture of libertarian regarding economical matters and very very right-wing/intrusive on personal matters. Whenever someone even mentions/comments other people’s sexual orientation and identity I automitcally assume they are creep that wants to sniff other people’s bedsheets. How can you be partly libertarian and also creepily nazi-intrusive? US-republican invention I can’t wrap my head around, that is.
Sanders might be leaning towards the center
The guy is a self-avowed socialist, what do mean “Leaning toward the center”?
Europeans are like vegans and Arch users, but somehow even less funny
Do your bedsheets smell good?
Sniff sniff.
Edit: Please don’t kink shame.
US politics are reserved for the US.
Yes, they are indeed interesting for small eurobrains, but a typical outsider will never comprehend our politics. Better stick to your country.
American politics amounts to geriatric seals barking at each other. There’s nothing complicated going on.
Which centrists actually support any amount of genocide?
Plenty of centrist liberals support Israel’s “war against Hamas”. US president Joe Biden and the Democratic party for example.
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that has nothing to do with the ideology of centrism itself and would be ridiculous to even pretend so.
it has to do with the complexity of the situation, and more specifically for everyone supporting Israel, having to do with maintaining country relations moreso than the edit: humanist ideals unfortunately.
Jewish Democrats? Christian Republicans?
If specifics are needed, Tim Pool (like most of these people) claims to be centrist… Yet always fails into line with the right on everything.
Ah, Tim isn’t that bad, a guy doen’t think he’s a centrist is probably very, very far left.
You’re right on half of that, but on what issue does he meaningfully align with the left? Like I said, he seems to fall right into line with the right on everything - outside the shallowest veneer.
I’m a centrist - both sides are bad - exclusively lists things the Democrats are doing.
I don’t support the Republicans - but agrees with everything they’re doing.
It’s a great way to feel as though you’ve risen above partisanship and form your own opinions like a special smart boy - as you’re led straight to right-wing positions on every issue.
Haven’t listened to him in a long time, but he definitely did not use to align Republican, disagreeing with Democrats horseshit isn’t the same thing.
He certainly shifted right over time, but I don’t think he could have ever fairly been called a centrist.
Disagreeing with the Democrats doesn’t make you right-wing (I disagree with them on most things because I’m pretty far left - condemning the Democrats exclusively (other than the vaguest possible 'I don’t agree with the republicans) while near-universally agreeing with the positions of the GOP makes you right-wing.
Is he exactly agreeing with what they say or what they do? Unfortunately that’s a real big difference.
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Also, which leftists don’t support genocide? They might not support a genocide, but they definitely support genocide.
*source needed
“Mangeons les riches” -Jean-Jacques Rousseau
More comprehensively perhaps here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes
Of course if you define “leftist” as meaning “doesn’t support genocide” amongst other things then obviously leftists don’t support genocide. But that doesn’t seem to be the actual real world definition.
edit Oh and of course there’s Hamas. Left is unabashedly supporting the genocide of Israelis.
Such stupidity - examples like state capitalist, single-party China is about as communist as the DPRK is democratic. Want to bite the bullet and link capitalist genocides?
Be less dumb - please.
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos
i hate to break it to you, but there are a lot of leftists that are very comfortable with genocide.
How often do you see these views in daily media? Cause I see right-wing rhetoric that’s pretty fucked up on TV and in newspaper and on the streets. but I only see tankies in the most forgotten corners of the internet.
They called themselves “France insoumise” here, and they are numerous!
Key word being “here.” They represent a small portion of a small internet community. How often do you hear tankie views presented seriously on mainstream news?
That’s what i am claiming here. France Insoumise is 3rd largest political force in France, they are pretty vocal in their “criticism of main establishment” which translates to “US/Israel bad, Russia and China good”
If social “media” falls under daily media, then I see it all the time. Go on X. Or Reddit. Or Instagram. or TikTok. It’s not hard to find some pretty radical leftist opinions in popular spaces nowadays, and like most spaces centered around radical ideology, you’ll get some genocide deniers in the mix.
I never really got the whole “leftists voices not being heard” schtick. There are tons of leftist flavored crazies online, and they tend to be very vocal, just like the right wing crazies.
I don’t see tankies/red-browns are leftists. Ultimately they overwhelmingly support authoritarian dictatorships, and that just doesn’t feel very lefty for me
Well left/right isn’t authoritarian/libertarian, it’s collectivist economics/individualist economics.
Authoritarians with collectivist ideals are authoritarian leftists, i.e tankies,
Libertarians with collectivist ideals are libertarian leftists i.e anarchocommunists,
Authoritarians with individualist ideals are authoritarian right, i.e monarchism,
Libertarians with individualist ideals are libertarian right, i.e anarchocapitalism.
Of course there are more examples of ideologies for each quadrant with varying levels of “auth-lib” or “left-right,” but just to give you some idea of the differences. There’s also auth-lib centers, like National Socialists on the auth side and agorists or anarchoprimativists on the lib side.
Of course judge all of the above groups to your own accord, but it isn’t as simple as “left means libertarian” unless you think anarchocapitalism is a leftist ideal, which it by definition isn’t.
Yeah, I didn’t elaborate enough. If you use left-right as people usually do, as an economic position, with communism and socialism being on the left, I don’t see how that leftist position could in any way be compatible with authoritarianism in any way. The core tenet of socialism is worker collectively owning means of production and making decisions about their workspace and getting the benefits of their labour. The core tenet of communism is stateless society (among other core tenets). Both are at the core incompatible with authoritarian style government of any sorts.
You could just be socialist for example, but tankies are very keen on adding dictatorship on top, which means that they either don’t understand what socialism is, or do but for them loving “strong hand” is more important, and that makes them “non leftists” as far as I can see it.
It works for the other side of the mirror, but kinda less obviously so. Capitalism either requires on necessarily leads to accumulation of power by the few, because money is power in capitalism, and accumulating capital is the only function of capital, so anarchocapitalism is just a precursor to oligarchy (or neofeudalism in it’s worst case).It’s literally they want “what is best for you whether you like it or not, and we’ll kill you to give it to you.” Tankies are leftists, even if they’re the “Harvey Dent’s left half personality” of the left. “Walks like the left, talks like the left, but also kills people = leftist that kills people.”
Again, it’s physically, dialectically, impossible to simultaneously be for “workers own and collectively operate the means of production” and “unelected autocratic dictatorship owns and operates means of production”. It’s either or, there is no shared ownership between the two. Same goes for the question “who is in charge of fruits of the labour” and “who is in charge of natural resources”. It’s either collective, by any mean, or autocrat.
So when they say “I want autocracy” they necessarily pick one of those, and it’s not one that is called socialism (or communism for that matter).If “the party” is “the worker’s party,” or “the collective,” as has historically been the case, it absolutely can be. It’s like the rightoids claiming the nazis were socialist, they just want to pretend the worst parts of their ideology are actually someone else’s ideology instead of just admitting “yes, X can be done wrong, it can also be done this other way which I think is right.”
The fact that tankies are leftists isn’t an admonishment of leftists at large, the leftists at large’s inability to admit tankies are “the demon within themselves” (in terms of whole party not in you necessarily,) is however.
Of course, many on the right and left define their side as “everything good,” and the other as “everything bad,” so, if you’re one of those, then yeah I guess, whatever dude. In any case this conversation seems pointless, you’ve determined that “leftist authoritarians can’t be leftists frfr” and nothing I say will make you see just how silly that is.
Left = Egalitarian flat power structure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics
Right = Hierarchical power structure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
The collectivist/individualist framework you describe is propaganda to appeal to supporters.
Authoritarianism is the sole perview of the right. What makes it confusing is that right wing people claim to support leftist ideals.
Well shit I guess ancaps are leftists then, my mistake.
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No, they just never thought about their set of believes long enough to recognize how self-contradicting they are
You can have a little genocide, as a treat
You’re grounded, mister! No genocide for an entire month.
Mom: we have genocide at home
“Data for Progress” poll even back on Oct. 21 showed a majority of Republicans wanted a ceasefire. Half of Republicans in this Reuters/Ipsos poll:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/15/poll-us-israel-support-hamas-war
It would be a mistake to characterize this as a left/right issue. That’s a classic pattern for drawing up support for inhumane policies, telling “the right” that “the left” wants something and that therefore they should oppose it. This is a basic issue of lives vs. deaths, human rights vs. an oppressive fascist regime, don’t allow it to be reframed in these other ways that distort it.
Did you see the date on the image? This is not about the war, but showing the absurd position of centrists on extremist positions
More the centrist worship of compromise,
The Great Compromiser is an example that comes to mind, a guy who’s crowning achievement is negotiating still preserving and even expanding slavery to avoid a war that ended up happening anyways just a few decades later.
All he actually achieved was preventing the Union from having an even larger lead against the secessionists given that the cotton gin industrial complex hadn’t come fully online to give the south the capital it later put towards betraying their fellow citizens in the name of continuing to own people.
So I tried to find the poll instead of an article about it and I found this.
https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/reuters-ipsos-israel-hamas-war-2024-election
Americans are split on whether Israel’s response has been excessive (50% agree, 50% disagree), Democrats are more likely to agree (62%) than Republicans (30%)
That is to say that 70% of Republicans believe that a bombing campaign that has killed 12,000 of innocent civilians including thousands of children is not excessive. The parody isn’t far from truth.
You’re cherrypicking:
Americans are split on whether Israel’s response has been excessive (50% agree, 50% disagree), Democrats are more likely to agree (62%) than Republicans (30%) and 76% say that Israel is doing what any country would do in response to a terror attack and taking of civilians hostages – a majority of Democrats (77%) and Republicans (83%) agree here. However, two in three (68%) of respondents also agree with the statement that “Israel should call a ceasefire and try to negotiate.”
TBH, even 30% of Republicans saying it’s excessive is remarkable, considering the bullshit FOX has been serving up since Oct 7.
These polls record responses to specific questions. The response indicates their agreement with a specific question, and typically they cover a range of related questions so that you get a picture of sentiments on each one.
By the way, the link includes a PDF version of the non-summarized findings, which are more informative:
That many people not thinking what’s going on is “excessive” is a disturbing statistic of course, but that’s a second discussion. I reckon it’s mostly the people who aren’t seeing footage from on the ground.
But nuance makes for boring memes though
THinK Of tHe mEmEs!?1!?
Enlightening comment section. Very revealing discussions on our current political discourse.
Extremists be like “You’re either with me or against me!”
I’m an extremist when the issue is “should we do a genocide”.
On the “no” side, to be clear. I will indeed not accept any answer other than that one.
Is that such a wrong position to have when the questions are as starkly “respect human rights or don’t respect human rights” as most issues are in today’s conversation? This isn’t a discussion on the minutia of how much money should be allocated to transit subsidy, this is “should the queers be allowed to exist?” and “should women have rights?” and “do parents have the right to ruin their child’s life just because they’re the parent?”
If you really think there’s a middle ground there, either you’re a fucking idiot, or you actually don’t and you’re just trying to pretend you do because you know your actual answer is morally indefensible unless you ascribe to a world view that has no business being respected in a democratic rights respecting society.
Centrist is picking and choosing from each side, not doing a little of everything.
I’m also picking and choosing from each side, which is why I’m a leftist. Does that make me a centrist?
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the dogshit stupid takes i see in this community are just proving that nobody here has actually ever encountered a centrist
please do tell me about your mythical centrist
This comment does not inspire confidence in your willingness to actually read it.
And always picking genocide from the political salad bar.
Right: Let’s cut off our Dicks.
Left: Let’s not cut off our Dicks.
Center: Guys, your going to have to compromise, let’s just do some dick cutting.
Right: I guess I can live with that for now.
Left: No.
Center: See, this is why no one likes the left, you guys are the real extremists, smh
Just a little casual genocide, nothing major, some dead LGBT folk here, some dead minorities there… normal stuff. Just wanna grill.
I love the smell of minority&meek soap in the morning. Then I remember I’m a right wing catholic white man with privileges and I use them by shooting some jets of fire with my pocket flamethrower from the fully open window of my monster truck while on the way to the usual grill with the boys, as my god intended ;)
Edit: Obviously satire
Centrists - making the world a friendlier place for fascism since forever.
If it’s not from the Genocide region of France then it’s only sparkling mass murder.
