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Many of Trump’s proposals for his second term are surprisingly extreme, draconian, and weird, even for him. Here’s a running list of his most unhinged plans.
Sadly, the Democrats have proven themselves to be just as fascistic when it comes to immigration. I got talked into voting Biden, but I’d be lying if I said that I don’t question that decision every day.
One of the first things Biden did was to build more concentration camps, and one of the first things his supporters did was make excuses for that.
Edit: Oh yikes, the fascism defenders and concentration camp explainers have appeared in droves in my inbox 😬
Scroll down for exhibit A…
It’s fair to criticize Biden for not being better than he is but it’s fucking braindead, bordering on parody to suggest that Biden isn’t better than Trump. Only complete morons or people that aren’t paying attention would suggest such a thing, so I’ll just give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you aren’t aware of what Biden has gotten done in his first two years.
I can’t stand that he’s old, he fucked over rail workers, he’s still supporting Israel in their genocidal quest, and he has increased funding for police, but it’s hyperbolic af to say he’s just as fascist as trump, the poster child of American fascism. Dude literally attempted to overthrow democracy to stay in power. “The boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. We are just going to stay in power.”
The Biden administration ended up getting the rail workers the sick days they were fighting for. Maybe it would have happened sooner had a strike taken place, but to say so would be pure speculation. While seemingly heavy handed, his actions prevented a huge logistical nightmare and I’m the end got three results being asked for. I agree with pretty the rest of what you said, but saying he fucked over rail workers is a bit disingenuous.
That’s a lie. They only got a small fraction of the sick time they demanded, and that’s only for some workers not all. Now you use those exploited workers as a political tool.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/22/american-democracy-was-never-designed-to-be-democratic-eric-holder-our-unfinished-march-nick-seabrook-one-person-one-vote-jacob-grumbach-laboratories-against-democracy
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/14/liberalism-and-fascism-partners-in-crime/
https://truthout.org/articles/fascism-is-possible-not-in-spite-of-liberal-capitalism-but-because-of-it/
https://nyanarchist.wordpress.com/2019/01/23/scratch-a-liberal-a-fascist-bleeds-how-the-so-called-middle-class-has-enabled-oppression-for-centuries/
I’m referring solely to immigration, which is the topic at hand. No one has claimed he is as bad as Trump overall, and I’m not sure how these links are supposed to make me feel better about how he’s actively persecuted immigrants and refugees. I mean, let’s be honest…
Edit: “he’s old” is literally age discrimination. Of all the criticisms of Biden, “he’s old” is not relevant in the least.
I mean, it literally isn’t. Voters can choose any criteria to choose their political candidate.
How is age not relevant? The risk of dementia quintuples from 70s to 80s. The elderly are more susceptible to almost every disease. Not to mention that the presidency is one of the most stressful jobs, just look at the before and after photographs of presidents.
I don’t want to pass any sort of judgement on whether it is or isn’t age discrimination, but your way of arriving at this conclusion is flawed. It’s like saying voters can choose all sorts of criteria to select their favourite, so going by the criterion of race can’t be racism. Those possible criteria can have different names and descriptors, independent of whether they are possible or not.
His age does indeed put him into a risk group for possible dementia, true, but the criterion disqualifying him would be if he specifically does have dementia or not - not his age. Young people can develop dementia with a certain probability too, that does not exclude young people, it only excludes young people who actually do develop dementia.
Possibly one of the most needlessly pedantic comments I’ve ever received.
Age discrimination is typically, almost entirely, discussed as a legal issue, most often within the arena of employment. The reason being that most people realize and accept that age affects abilities. So taking into account the age of a candidate wouldn’t be age discrimination in the typical sense.
And he’s going to take a cognitive test at my request and share the results? And those results will guarantee that he won’t develop dementia for the next five years? If the answer to either is no, then I need to make a decision based on probability. He’s far more likely to develop dementia than someone in their 70s, and I would guess hundreds to thousands of times more likely than someone in their 40s.
Not to mention that life expectancy would hold that he’d be dead by now. He’s fairly likely to die in office, especially when considering the stress of the job.
Why, thank you, but be aware that flattery will get you nowhere.
Alrighty, then let’s look at your comment from the perspective of legality. Age discrimination involves treating an applicant or employee less favorably because of his or her age. That’s the definition. Now if we were to continue here and expand our scope, we could state that this is illegal in working environments because - short version - there are laws making it so in the workplace, but that does not touch what is or isn’t age discrimination. Since there are no laws declaring it illegal in an electoral context, age discrimination happening while voting is not illegal there, but it still very much is age discrimination. Just like in our previous example, not voting for a candidate because one doesn’t like their race is still racism, but like above, it is not illegal because no law says it is.
True enough, not much difference in your conclusion because it is not a case of illegal age discrimination, but
it literally is.
By that definition, every choice is discrimination because any criteria you set necessarily excludes so other group.
You keep pivoting to race as your analogy, but it doesn’t fit. Look at the scrutiny courts give to race versus sex or age. Laws based on race receive strict scrutiny, gender gets intermediate scrutiny, and age is judged with a rational basis scrutiny.
So, yes, while discrimination can mean that, it certainly has a connotation that makes it a poor word choice. It is misleading as to what’s happening. Using age as a selection criteria is based on rational facts, selection based on race is based on hate. Poor analogy.
Not quite. We got two factors here, one, the different treatment from other groups, yes. but the second factor - different treatment because of someone’s age - limits it to cases of different treatment due to age. It’s not age discrimination because someone else gets different treatment, it is age discrimination because age is the reason for that.
And that’s why racism is an apt analogy, because that is one possible motivation for different treatment in someone’s mind, just like age can be another reason. The different levels of scrutiny do not touch that. These come into play because proving such motivations in court is difficult and needs quasi-tangible standards, but what’s being proved is that a factor (such as age, race, gender, etc) IS the main motivation in a case.
Yikes
I know… Science!!! Absolutely terrifying!
Lmao no. Did Obama or Biden put immigrants in cages, separating children from parents? Did the dems implement literal death traps in an attempt to kill more would be immigrants? I could go on and on.
They are nowhere near the same level. Take your reductive bullshit somewhere else
To your first question, yes. Obama did and there were protests and court rulings against it. A court order in 2015 limited child detention to 20 days and lead the Obama administration to change its ways. The Trump administration worked to undo that court order.
And, yes, cages and camps still operate today, within that 20 day limitation.
The Obama administration deported more people in its first term than the Trump administration did.
When it comes to deportations the Trump administration, as with so many things, talked big, but was unable to effectively enact its stated goals.
Yea buddy…That vote for Trump will certainly make things better compared to Biden.
What vote for Trump??
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Mathematically, if Trump is the Republican nominee, and this person doesn’t vote for Biden, their vote only benefits Trump, so it’s basically the same thing.
In fact, I actually said that I voted for Biden
I’d rather die than support someone like Trump
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right wing democrats have to resort to lies, like that not voting for trump is voting for trump (?) and then blame us when they lose
Yeah, I get that a lot. And here’s the most hilarious part: Even if you admit that you voted for Biden, they will still somehow make that a “vote for Trump” if you’re not sucking sufficient cock. It’s weird as hell.
also they act like it’s your fault that people who are way less into politics than you or me might not feel like going all the way to the polls and wait 4 hours for a shitty cannidate they don’t even like. those are the voters hillary clinton lost that lost her the election, and what biden’s really risking losing next year
Yea buddy… That vote for one of two clowns who both support (and have been allowed to rise to the top by) the system that oppresses the rest of society will certainly make things better compared to realising the system is and always has been rigged and that your choice within it is nothing more than an illusion keeping you distracted while they continue to exploit you… 🙄🙄
So you don’t vote?
Pretty sure most people do know they’re getting fucked by both sides, but voting is literally the only feasible way to make shit better instead of worse.
So wOkE!
I’m in no way here to defend Biden, but I literally have heard nothing about concentration camps related to Biden. To what are you referring?
What’s your definition of fascism?
So you just use it as a generic pejorative. Understood.
ROFL!
You’ve made some libs big mad lol
I half expected them to arrive, but part of me was hoping there wouldn’t be so many here on Lemmy. At least they’re showing their ass, and anyone should be able to see right through their excuses and lies.
Well, it’s simple. The majority of the US is liberal too.