Quote: “We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge [the name Hamas gave its 7 October onslaught - ed.] is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs.”
It is mind-blowing that people defend these monsters.
no they don’t. people just don’t like hospitals and refugee camps getting blown up
Who’s doing that?
You’ll find a lot of comments along the lines of the Hamas government and Hamas terrorist organization being fundamentally separate entities. You’ll also find a lot of people dismissing the claims in articles like this one or trying to paint anyone in Hamas inciting violence as ‘not important’.
The idea is to foster a narrative to paint Israel as ‘just as bad as hamas’ and while Israel has done many bad things, the gap between the two is massive. I think it mostly comes from a desire to paint one side as ‘good’ and one side as ‘evil’ which isn’t always easy.
Over 30 Harvard organizations said Israel is “entirely responsible for all unfolding violence.”
A Columbia professor called it “innovative Palestinian resistance”
A Cornell professor called the attacks “exhilarating” and “energizing"
Mostly true, not supporting Hamas.
It’s innovative, and starting the attack when the occupation soldiers have just moved to terrorize the West bank is pretty smart.
Eh, maybe if that was said on the first day of the attack, but it got ugly quickly. They almost sank to the IDF’s level.
Blaming the violence of Oct 7 (which Hamas did) on Israel is not defending Hamas? Walk me through that logic.
Please stop gaslighting people and saying that no one is defending Hamas.
Blaming Hamas for the situation the occupation government made, which helped radicalize people and secure funding for Hamas is not defending the disgusting occupation?
You are literally justifying the Oct. 7 massacre of civilians including babies, peace activists, and elderly. So don’t try to tell me that there are not people defending the actions of Hamas.
The situation was created by the Palestinians starting a large war in 2001 and maintaining warfare since,Israel naturally refuses to give up the West Bank so the Palestinians can do shit using the WB as a launchpad.
The situation was created by Europeans deciding that this was their ancestral homeland and colonizing, displacing populations, taking people’s homes. There is no complicated story here, it’s just genocidal colonization.
Student groups.
Almost all muslim student groups.
Who immediately got denounced hard by every other Harvard institution.
Many people are calling Hamas “freedom fighters” and outright defending its actions. I would say a significant portion of Fediverse users fall into this camp, from what I’ve seen.
A majority? Well, you’re either lying or you have a severely distorted view of reality.
We’re simply calling for the stop of oppression and genocide and ethnic cleansing, if that constitute supporting Hamas then you be you.
No, I mean people literally calling Hamas “freedom fighters”, and outright cheering them on. There’s a difference between “calling for the stop of oppression and genocide and ethnic cleansing” and blatantly supporting the actions of a terror organization.
People cheer for nazis, too. Are you going to make a generic claim that “It’s mind-blowing that people defend these monsters” as well? Maybe you should make a comment about people who “defend” mass shooters too! Let’s not forget all those “defenders” of eugenics.
Just because you see one or two people making propaganda doesn’t mean it’s something reasonable people are doing.
Yes. If I ever see a significant number of people defending the Nazis in spaces I speak in I will say exactly that.
Man, when you go outside some time you’re going to have your mind absolutely shattered at all the surprising things people do.
It’s a meaningless phrase meant to distance yourself from something distasteful. It has no bearing on anything but the person saying it, unless they’re using it as a dog-whistle to call out people who are saying something they don’t like, as BaldProphet is doing above.
You seem quite disturbed and angered by the fact that I would be disturbed and voice that worry if I saw a bunch of Nazis around.
I don’t believe it is reasonable, but as I said, I am surprised by how many people are unreasonably supportive of Hamas, despite otherwise priding themselves on being progressive forward-thinkers.
You think most people here are like that? Most people seem to be appalled by what Hamas did on October 7th. Most people also seem to be appalled by Israel killing huge numbers of civilians.
Yes, but i rarely see the latter, mostly former.
Do you want people to be repeatedly condemning Hamas right now, when the immense majority of the suffering inflicted on the region in the last two weeks has been provoked by the IDF? Why do you hate the innocent Palestinians who are being murdered right now?
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Did you replied to the wrong comment or something?
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I have never seen anyone supporting hamas, at most justifying the legitimacy of some of its objectives and the right to fight for them, but not its actions; always being critical of hamas and its war crimes.
In fact, high tolerance or even open support for war crimes is something I have only seen on the zionist side.
There is nothing legitimate about Hamas. It is a terror organization.
dismantling settlements, cleansing the land of the IDF, and regaining their land are all legitimate objectives and should be supported.
Not really.
Go back in time. Hamas was originally created in 1987 to fight for Palestinian lives and rights - because Israel government kept oppressing and murdering (men, women and children).
Whenever Palestinians would do anything back, they would get oppressed real quick (probably violently?).
If peaceful revolution is not possible, violent revolution is inevitable.
What do you expect Palestinians and Hamas to do - sit tight and die?
EDIT: Seeing your other comments to people and calling some “tankies”, just shown me that it is if no use to actually discuss/ argue with you.
So I will only leave it with this comment.
You are outright lying. In the first few paragraphs of Hamas’ founding document, it clearly calls for the “obliteration” of the state of Israel. It’s about genocide against Israel, not “Palestinian lives and rights”.
People tend to forget that one of the key justifications for Hamas splitting off as a distinct organization was that they felt their former parent organization was not supportive enough of open violence against Israel. Also important to note, the initial charter classifies diplomatic solutions as a waste of time and war as the only possible answer.
Per your genocide comment, I’m guessing you’re talking about the hadith advocating that Judgement Day will not come until they have killed all Jewish people everywhere. It’s very rough, but do want to note that there is a much later statement indicating the possibility of living in peace with other faiths as long as they are never ever challenged. But… this is also sandwiched between a call for everyone to join them in jihad and a callout to a document with questionable provenance detailing a plot for the jewish people to take over the world.
Anyone can read the whole charter online, obviously translation bias is a thing, but the translations I’ve seen out there are very harsh. There are items in there about ‘Palestinian Lives and Rights’, they’ve got notes codifying the status of women as lesser and taking jabs at anyone advocating for women as doing it just to make them look bad. There are a few random items in there that do look harmless at first glance, I’d encourage everyone to at least take a look through it, it’s not very long.