Libs gonna lib. Not comrades but crypto-fash. The lib version of “anti-communist action”. Literally why we have fascism.
There was another post about goat banning every m@te they saw. They’re kinda salty about being featured on yptb.
Very salty we called out their love of fascists on their community, and swears db0 is the evil group for proving it.
Apparently just being from db0 is now against the rules at MoG? TankieJerk thinks you’re a fascist now too. I don’t always agree with what you say but you’re far from being a fascist. Huge yikes from the mods of both communities.
Thank you, I appreciate that fact at least. I don’t expect everyone to always agree with me, not even my best friends and family. I am a deeply flawed human, I’ll be the first to tell anyone that.
But its just odd that we’re both fascists and tankies and anything else because we wanted Harris to win by calling out Trump, saying she’ll stop funding Israel, promote popular polices, etc.
Or we’re fascists for saying China is not a holy state. Or that murder is bad no matter which side does it.
The reasons why we’re fascist-tankies is new each time.
When I first read there, I was also deeply offended. I now see how liberal ideas are deeply rooted in fascist thinking and now liberals are quicker to allow fascist ideology than try to get a different perspective. It’s not our fault we’ve been abused, but healing that is our responsibility.
Goat is a trash mod and really should be blocked by everybody so they can exist in their own lemmy echo chamber that they desire.
I mean the genocide denial and apologia wasn’t enough?
And then he said db0 was infested with tankies because we said that the UN and Amnesty International don’t call the Uyghur people being mistreated a genocide. We used the official terms used by official agencies, and that meant we deny genocide.
When we agreed the Uyghurs were being mismanaged, but it wasn’t genocide because has serious implications and must be called as such when it happens (See: Palestinian, Armenian, Ukrainian), we’re somehow denying it, when international organizations don’t call it one.
I mean, the tankies aren’t denying widespread famine or the mismanagement of Tienamin square, or reasonable criticism of Putin either. We do all have a hard time accepting even our own evidence that our own governments heavily propagandize us. Hearty disagreement may be healthy and productive, but plenty of listening and examining all available supporting and critical evidence, with plenty of time taken to consider and reconsider while asking thoughtful questions, perhaps before asking them would do us all good.
Stop whitewashing tankies.
I mean many of them do?
I’ve never seen a single one who does
you are literally one of them
And many libs are fascist ideology apologists. Dialogue like I mentioned elsewhere itt seems to be a cure no one is willing to take, because the psychological ivermectin is more palatable.
So you lied?
Most definitely. That’s how I first encountered that clown, and it only got worse from there.
Gotta love Lemmy drama
ytpb is a fedi gem, an original content form… a place where mod misconduct can be documented on case by case basis and longitudinally. jordan lunds of reddit never face such accountability on reddit. modlog is the reason why fedi gonna win long term.
the drama is just a cherry!
The drama may be entertaining but it doesn’t bring out the best in anyone. I get it, though, I’ve been there. I’m trying to raise my browline just a little.
100%
it is a entertaining but that’s the slippery slope like anything else that’s “fun”:
to quote josh johnson: art can save your life, entertainment WILL kill you
I hope this is the drama that gets people to realize you’re a troll and a tankie sympathizer.
If you feel like have to hide your beleifs and abuse your small amount of power to forward those beliefs then your ideology isn’t valid ffs
Yeah mate, I’m a “tankie sympathizer” who made an instance with an explicit anti-tankie rule. I’m playing 4d chess. Fuck outa here.
This drama mostly shows that goat doesn’t apply their own principles
Tankies never venture into this community, despite this being a place where they can freely discuss their viewpoints.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/21062682
How is it supposed to be possible when people get banned just for their instance as seen in the OP
Ironic that this is usually the type of blocking that is criticized on MoG
.ml actually has this comm instance-blocked LMAO
So you aknowledge them being a tankie sympathizer too
Obv tankies aren’t welcome on the anti tankie community lol
You sure are also bending over backwards to defend people with fascist ideologies
So you aknowledge them being a tankie sympathizer too
I did not, I was pointing out the hypocrisy.
Obv tankies aren’t welcome on the anti tankie community lol
Then goat shouldn’t pretend otherwise like in the comment above. Make it make sense.
Think it’s my time to stop using MoG, because this is just stupid and ridiculous behaviour. While I despise authoritarians, I do not wish to be involved in a community run by someone who acts as petty as this.
I made a post about this a bit ago https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52313315
I’ve posted on there before but that’s just dumb and petty. Guess I’ll unsub
That whole sub always seemed dumb and petty tbh
I feel like it matters less now that piefed’s a thing. Before that I think it was good for there to be a place where people could see what the devs of the platform they use believe. Now there’s an alternative
It was always petty to just go “THEY HAVE RULES OVER THERE, THEY DON’T OBEY OUR RULES!”
Like call out Tankies, but all it did was broadcast their stupid opinions and then get mad they have their own instance, that you can block or defed if you hate them enough.
It also just makes it seem like they’re all crazy for the people who are on an instance that doesn’t federate with them when really any sufficiently large collection of people is going to get some idiots.
Same here
It is on my instance so it helps remind me I am browsing ‘Local’. It has been kind of a novelty watching threads in there, but man the users that run it are something else.
Well meanwhileongrad was fun while it lasted I guess lol. Tell me you’re a much bigger PTB than even the accusations you got on YPTB, without telling me.
goat’s done a couple of weird things that I have observed. I think the most notable was that they made PugJesus a mod, PJ said he didn’t want to be a mod, they left him as a mod even with him repeatedly asking not to be, and then a little while later, they made a big public show of deciding he was a Zionist and announcing they were removing him as a mod. It always felt to me like there was more going on with that story.
Anyway yeah it sounds like he’s a tool.
Yeah, totally weird how that all went down.
always felt to me like there was more going on with that story.
Spot check
- “defending neo-Nazis” -> link -> okay goat was just saying exploding-heads.com were not themselves neo Nazis which as far as I was ever aware they were not
- “misgendering” -> well this one is gonna be hard to find, let’s look in the old modlog
Really now? Your response is to turn the other cheek to civilians being gunned down on mass throughout your country? Oh, silly harmless Hamas raping women to death, stealing international civilians and slaughtering them inside of their own homes–we won’t do anything in response but give you a stern talking to
- by goat
Oh
Oh no
Well
what would they be able to do? i’m the idf. i can bomb hospitals. i have fucking nukes. let the world tweet away
- by goat
if i was the IDF and I wanted to kill civilians without any witnesses, I’d use my largest and most destructive bomb to really make sure no one captures it on film.
but that’s if I was evil.
Well this has taken a little bit of a turn
Okay so yeah goat’s a tool to put it a little bit fucking mildly
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I checked what @PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social found, I don’t think it’s as bad as it first appears.
All of the references are from 2 years ago and a lot of information has come out since then about Israel, their propaganda, what Hamas really did and what they didn’t do or what was overblown, Gaza and the Israeli genocide as a whole.
I will say, I have seen Goat condemn Israel and call their actions Genocide recently here https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20786914
Furthermore, I also agree with you @PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social about someone or a group manipulating to stir the pot. It’s something the Tankie Triad has been known to do in the past and there’s no reason to believe they aren’t doing it now.
Yeah, maybe that’s fair. On the other hand it was pretty clear two years ago that Israel was a genocidal monster, it just has become a lot more unanimous and urgent viewpoint since they started a new phase of the active genocide. But yeah, posting the thing about evacuating babies from Gaza isn’t nearly as suspect two years ago as it would be now.
To me, the thing with PugJesus seems a lot more suspicious. That raised a ton of red flags for me, I don’t really see any reason you would do that whole sequence of actions if there wasn’t some kind of plot behind it. And then, looked at it that light, it starts to become a lot more weird for them to start this super public beef with dbzer0.
What about goat banning every dbzer0 user, as seen in the OP? Seems contradictory with
Tankies never venture into this community, despite this being a place where they can freely discuss their viewpoints.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/21062682
And more along the lines of what you were denouncing
.ml actually has this comm instance-blocked LMAO
I won’t get into the bans here since that’s being worked out in private right now.
However, I will say that this part
Tankies never venture into this community, despite this being a place where they can freely discuss their viewpoints.
Is indeed true, I have personally seen Goat allow (and even participate in) well known tankies to speak in threads without bans or comment removal even when they are downvoted to oblivion. Provided they aren’t just trolling, which is quite common as you might imagine.
have personally seen Goat allow (and even participate in) well known tankies to speak in threads without bans or comment removal even when they are downvoted to oblivion.
Another random thought, but isn’t allowing tankies to speak exactly the issur goat has with dbzer0, calling it a tankie bar?
Is indeed true, I have personally seen Goat allow (and even participate in) well known tankies to speak in threads without bans or comment removal even when they are downvoted to oblivion.
Still seems hardly compatible with being banned just because of your instance, but you do you
To be clear, this post is satire. Bad satire, but satire nontheless. https://feddit.uk/post/35692308
If it’s satire, the first link still seems serious: https://sh.itjust.works/post/225714/300239
The fact that Philip was able to find actual quotes by goat from that thread (such as https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?commentId=4848030 ) seems to indicate that even if it was supposed to be satire, there were still actual concerning elements in that thread
Yeah, the post itself kinda rang some bullshit-alarms to me for reasons I can’t completely articulate. That’s partly why I decided to do a spot check of what it was saying. And yeah, regardless of what was there, we learned that goat is shifty in some way with his mod actions and behaviors, and also sort of at least pro-Israel-adjacent it looks like, and also apparently has some kind of beef with /0 now I guess. I still don’t completely know what is going on with them but it seems like nothing good.
I’ve said before, I think that there are people deliberately trying to stir up inter-instance drama from time to time, spinning up genuine but pretty minor issues into reasons to create rifts between the “pro-AI” and “anti-AI” camps for example, or between the vegans and everyone else, or now (apparently it might seem) between the anti-tankies generally speaking and the dbzer0 people. That’s one explanation for why this is happening that makes somewhat more sense to me than anything else I can guess as to why goat might have started to do this. I see a whole bunch of anti-dbzer0 posts in the recent past on MOG as well. That whole “It’s all dbzer0’s fault that davel has done this” line of argument sort of reads textbook similar to ways in the past that I’ve observed people trying to get two third parties to conflict with one another.
That’s all just random guessing, I have no idea, just throwing out one theory for why goat might be being weird in this one particular way (especially if they have history of doing other odd things.)
Yeah… goat painted db0 with a broad brush.
Yeah i don’t get db0 hate. They make their position clear and stand by it. I respect that.
Lmao. What does he think we did to them?
Call out his admiration for fascism, history of being on nazi websites, and wanting to force gore porn onto people.
If he’s the australian, did someone ask him to share his opinion on aborigines?
With Goat i’m sure he’s on the opinion of “they deserved it”.
Gotta love how the dude that posted that is all too happy to point out everything even close to tankie shit, but never makes a point of the fascist shit also apparent within those posts. Points for including both, but hey, the dude’s bias is showing.
He’s literally been on Voat, the nazi reddit, and got banned there twice and kept staying on it.
He has literally been actively talking to members who use Nazi terminology, but then bans @IndustryStandard@lemmy.world for calling out Zionism as “Zio”.
Goat is a heavy drinker at the nazi bar.
I was banned for reporting a someone who literally called for the ethnic cleansing of non-Jews in Palestine. And went on to clarify that they believed in exactly that.
Goat is not a drinker at the Nazi bar. He is the Nazi bar.
If you haven’t, I’d say post that publicly on this com. It’s not like it’s gonna be a debate, but it will bring more of Goat’s shit into public view.
I am a bit busy with some IRL stuff but will probably do so sooner or later. A post here requires a bit more effort than pasting a news article I come across and calling it a day.
Thanks
MoG had the bones to be great but that opportunity got squandered with excessive shilling.
We get it goat… you got anti tankie vendetta… jfc
Recently someone posted one of the .ml admins saying the BBC was not neutral, and the entire community went “no that’s accurate, they were told to not publish stories about Israel, have manufactured stories on Jeremy Corbyn, and constantly try to both sides transgender issues.”
And I’m amazed goat didn’t just ban everyone there in that moment for questioning an idol of the neoliberal brainrot.
There’s a lot of .ml and hexbear users who moved to db0 because they wanted people to have to see their shit opinions again.
I don’t have a judgment on this one, two petty mods fighting
So the vanguard is killing the anarchist community again? Tracks…
Which ones? We don’t really like tankie members making accounts here. Part of the process of getting onto here is talking about anarchism.
I was mainly interested in communism as a means to work toward anarchy. But seeing the difference between the bulk of posts pushed me to the Triad, not because I’ve abandoned my dream as much as I’ve suspended it to learn more from more practical, less reactionary people with valuable insight and experience. Not that db0 doesn’t have less reactionary voices, valuable insight and experience, just more that those voices are occulted from my view because the more frequent, loud reactionaries keep them from showing up on my feed. It’s more productive and much less time consuming to just read and converse with active voices on the Triad. Plus the bulk of their time isn’t spent grousing about people who hurt their feelings or looking to the past to hang onto it, but only for historical perspective and lessons that can be applied or adjusted to modern developments.
The post that started this from PJ was about db0 tankies.
I don’t care enough to ask PJ but they probably recoded the accounts that were causing problems.
